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killercyclist

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kudo's on the skewed poll! while i do agree that a rape joke is in poor taste, and that it should be aproached with trepidation at the very least, it must be said that daniel is a shock comic, he's made his career out of telling jokes that in most circles would get you hurt. again, just because of his nature doesn't make the joke better or more called for, but i don't know if we should demonize it. just my thoughts.....
 

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lol you found a typo. You are very cleaver.
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Man you are on a role.[/quote]
Now you're just being silly. I have had my fun with you good sir, stop feeding me these silly typos as I am definitely getting tired of them and have no intention of continuing.
[small]And yes, I am a wonderful actor...[/small][/quote]

LOL I was wandering when you would catch on.
 

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Daniel Tosh is just a far less talented and intelligent version of George Carlin. Ignore him and he will go away, all that these people are doing is giving him free advertisement.
 

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Yep, censoring people is ALWAYS good, no matter the topic...
Can't see how censoring people is bad in any way...


And anyways,it's not like he made a simple, unappropriate joke, nope,
he practically shot that woman with a tranquilizer dart and had her way with her in front of the audience...
Not like she was heckling, being an annoying moron or anything, no, he attacked her completely unprovoked and wanted others to join in on the gang-rape...


Oh, wait, she WAS heckling.
And he did NOT rape her?
And he did NOT threaten her with rape?
He simply made an unappropriate, bad joke?

Well, lets lynch him anyways, it's not like he is a comedian or anything.
I'll get the pitch-forks, the white-knights will want some swords I guess?
 

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I'm sorry, I find it hard to believe that numbers like that aren't bullshit. I'll accept that rape is certainly a more common crime than murder, but more common than getting mugged? Than having someone break into your home? Suuuuuure.
Here. [http://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/sexual-assault-victims] These [http://www.crisisconnectioninc.org/sexualassault/rapestatistics.htm] links [http://thehathorlegacy.com/rape-statistics/] took [http://www.barcc.org/information/facts/stats/] me [http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/15/health/nearly-1-in-5-women-in-us-survey-report-sexual-assault.html] about [http://www.911rape.org/facts-quotes/statistics] one minute to collect. I don't think I need to say anything more; I'll let you read them for yourself. Note the sources; feel free to check those if you doubt the validity.

now those numbers were compiled by teams of researchers whose job it is to do that work. If you have evidence to the contrary other than, say, wishful thinking, I'm sure we're all interested in hearing it.

If you don't, do your homework, and fix your face.
I opened the first link.

It claimed 1 in 6 American women have been raped.

It then claimed 17.7 million American women have been raped.

17.7 million multiplied by six equals 106.2 million.

That's about 60 million women short of the total women in America.

Otherwise known as being off by over 33%.

Otherwise known as being a completely unreliable source.

Like I said, I can pull bullshit sensationalist statistics out of my ass, too. I'll do it if you really want me to (not because I believe them, but to prove my point if you're really so blind as to miss the purpose of this post). But honestly? Read your bullshit sensationalist statistics first, to make sure they hold up to basic mathematics.

Especially before you tell me to do my homework.
Hi. Here's the source [http://www.nij.gov/about/welcome.htm] of the information:

The direct link to the National Institute of Justice study [https://www.ncjrs.gov/txtfiles/172837.txt]. They are from the US Department of Justice so if you're looking for something more credible, you're welcome to go through it.

According to the study, 18% of women are the victims of sexual assault. That's about 1 in 5.

If you think they're wrong, go ahead and call them up. They spent your tax dollars to conduct the study. Play math games with them; it's their job to research these things. I'm just giving you the tools.

Or you can continue to think that you, Drago-Morph of the Escapist Forums, know something that people dedicated to this field don't. I wish you the best of luck.
The original quote he said that it isn't likely to be raped described a certain circumstance. That a woman feared being raped by a complete stranger in the dead of night when a man came walking towards them. He said that isn't likely. Your information and statistics are correct but invalid because they account for all rape as a whole rather than the single circumstance he refuted. Date rape, Abusive relationships and molestation between family members is far more common than total anonymous and violent rape. You're using all rape as a whole to refute his point about a very specific kind of rape.
 

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RoBi3.0 said:
Revnak said:
RoBi3.0 said:
Revnak said:
RoBi3.0 said:
lol you found a typo. You are very cleaver.
[/spoiler][/quote]

Man you are on a role.[/quote]
Now you're just being silly. I have had my fun with you good sir, stop feeding me these silly typos as I am definitely getting tired of them and have no intention of continuing.
[small]And yes, I am a wonderful actor...[/small][/quote]

LOL I was wandering when you would catch on.[/quote]
Role is not a very common misspelling of roll. If anything I would assume it would be the other way around.
And I hope you don't get lost out there.
 

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him over there said:
itsthesheppy said:
Drago-Morph said:
itsthesheppy said:
Drago-Morph said:
I'm sorry, I find it hard to believe that numbers like that aren't bullshit. I'll accept that rape is certainly a more common crime than murder, but more common than getting mugged? Than having someone break into your home? Suuuuuure.
Here. [http://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/sexual-assault-victims] These [http://www.crisisconnectioninc.org/sexualassault/rapestatistics.htm] links [http://thehathorlegacy.com/rape-statistics/] took [http://www.barcc.org/information/facts/stats/] me [http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/15/health/nearly-1-in-5-women-in-us-survey-report-sexual-assault.html] about [http://www.911rape.org/facts-quotes/statistics] one minute to collect. I don't think I need to say anything more; I'll let you read them for yourself. Note the sources; feel free to check those if you doubt the validity.

now those numbers were compiled by teams of researchers whose job it is to do that work. If you have evidence to the contrary other than, say, wishful thinking, I'm sure we're all interested in hearing it.

If you don't, do your homework, and fix your face.
I opened the first link.

It claimed 1 in 6 American women have been raped.

It then claimed 17.7 million American women have been raped.

17.7 million multiplied by six equals 106.2 million.

That's about 60 million women short of the total women in America.

Otherwise known as being off by over 33%.

Otherwise known as being a completely unreliable source.

Like I said, I can pull bullshit sensationalist statistics out of my ass, too. I'll do it if you really want me to (not because I believe them, but to prove my point if you're really so blind as to miss the purpose of this post). But honestly? Read your bullshit sensationalist statistics first, to make sure they hold up to basic mathematics.

Especially before you tell me to do my homework.
Hi. Here's the source [http://www.nij.gov/about/welcome.htm] of the information:

The direct link to the National Institute of Justice study [https://www.ncjrs.gov/txtfiles/172837.txt]. They are from the US Department of Justice so if you're looking for something more credible, you're welcome to go through it.

According to the study, 18% of women are the victims of sexual assault. That's about 1 in 5.

If you think they're wrong, go ahead and call them up. They spent your tax dollars to conduct the study. Play math games with them; it's their job to research these things. I'm just giving you the tools.

Or you can continue to think that you, Drago-Morph of the Escapist Forums, know something that people dedicated to this field don't. I wish you the best of luck.
The original quote he said that it isn't likely to be raped described a certain circumstance. That a woman feared being raped by a complete stranger in the dead of night when a man came walking towards them. He said that isn't likely. Your information and statistics are correct but invalid because they account for all rape as a whole rather than the single circumstance he refuted. Date rape, Abusive relationships and molestation between family members is far more common than total anonymous and violent rape. You're using all rape as a whole to refute his point about a very specific kind of rape.
You know what, that's a fair point. Stranger-danger rape is actually the least common form. I somehow doubt his point was quite that nuanced, however, based on the context of his statement and the things he's said subsequently.
 

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Revnak said:
RoBi3.0 said:
Revnak said:
RoBi3.0 said:
Revnak said:
RoBi3.0 said:
lol you found a typo. You are very cleaver.
[/spoiler][/quote]

Man you are on a role.[/quote]
Now you're just being silly. I have had my fun with you good sir, stop feeding me these silly typos as I am definitely getting tired of them and have no intention of continuing.
[small]And yes, I am a wonderful actor...[/small][/quote]

LOL I was wandering when you would catch on.[/quote]
Role is not a very common misspelling of roll. If anything I would assume it would be the other way around.
And I hope you don't get lost out there.[/quote]

Is there a common misspelling of roll? It seams that it would be a pretty simple word to spell.
 

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Sensationalist title as hell firstly.

I happen to love Daniel's standup, but never cared for his tv show. But, if you go to a comedy club, you should expect to hear rude jokes. If one of these jokes offend you, and you heckle the comedian, prepare to get your ass handed back to you with all the trimmings.
 

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She was being a total **** being disruptive during the guys performance.

Hey, dick, you don't like his brand of comedy go to the club owner and demand a refund, don't make a fucking stink about it trying to ruin everyone elses good time and then get pissed off when Tosh makes you the but of his jokes.

Also, I'm so sick of this, just because YOU don't find something funny doesn't mean it's not and shouldn't be allowed to joke about you fucking twats. Sorry if you have delicate and oversensitive viewpoint of the world.
 

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itsthesheppy said:
him over there said:
itsthesheppy said:
Drago-Morph said:
itsthesheppy said:
Drago-Morph said:
I'm sorry, I find it hard to believe that numbers like that aren't bullshit. I'll accept that rape is certainly a more common crime than murder, but more common than getting mugged? Than having someone break into your home? Suuuuuure.
Here. [http://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/sexual-assault-victims] These [http://www.crisisconnectioninc.org/sexualassault/rapestatistics.htm] links [http://thehathorlegacy.com/rape-statistics/] took [http://www.barcc.org/information/facts/stats/] me [http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/15/health/nearly-1-in-5-women-in-us-survey-report-sexual-assault.html] about [http://www.911rape.org/facts-quotes/statistics] one minute to collect. I don't think I need to say anything more; I'll let you read them for yourself. Note the sources; feel free to check those if you doubt the validity.

now those numbers were compiled by teams of researchers whose job it is to do that work. If you have evidence to the contrary other than, say, wishful thinking, I'm sure we're all interested in hearing it.

If you don't, do your homework, and fix your face.
I opened the first link.

It claimed 1 in 6 American women have been raped.

It then claimed 17.7 million American women have been raped.

17.7 million multiplied by six equals 106.2 million.

That's about 60 million women short of the total women in America.

Otherwise known as being off by over 33%.

Otherwise known as being a completely unreliable source.

Like I said, I can pull bullshit sensationalist statistics out of my ass, too. I'll do it if you really want me to (not because I believe them, but to prove my point if you're really so blind as to miss the purpose of this post). But honestly? Read your bullshit sensationalist statistics first, to make sure they hold up to basic mathematics.

Especially before you tell me to do my homework.
Hi. Here's the source [http://www.nij.gov/about/welcome.htm] of the information:

The direct link to the National Institute of Justice study [https://www.ncjrs.gov/txtfiles/172837.txt]. They are from the US Department of Justice so if you're looking for something more credible, you're welcome to go through it.

According to the study, 18% of women are the victims of sexual assault. That's about 1 in 5.

If you think they're wrong, go ahead and call them up. They spent your tax dollars to conduct the study. Play math games with them; it's their job to research these things. I'm just giving you the tools.

Or you can continue to think that you, Drago-Morph of the Escapist Forums, know something that people dedicated to this field don't. I wish you the best of luck.
The original quote he said that it isn't likely to be raped described a certain circumstance. That a woman feared being raped by a complete stranger in the dead of night when a man came walking towards them. He said that isn't likely. Your information and statistics are correct but invalid because they account for all rape as a whole rather than the single circumstance he refuted. Date rape, Abusive relationships and molestation between family members is far more common than total anonymous and violent rape. You're using all rape as a whole to refute his point about a very specific kind of rape.
You know what, that's a fair point. Stranger-danger rape is actually the least common form. I somehow doubt his point was quite that nuanced, however, based on the context of his statement and the things he's said subsequently.
A fair point too, however this entire side discussion is largely irrelevant save for the common theme of rape regarding whether or not it's okay to joke about it. Which I am a firm believer that it is. Mostly because shutting down something as unacceptable where the only qualifier for being unacceptable is being offensive is a slippery slope.
 

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The Human Torch said:
Daniel Tosh is just a far less talented and intelligent version of George Carlin. Ignore him and he will go away, all that these people are doing is giving him free advertisement.
He is also far less dead at the moment, so too each their own I guess?
 

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SadakoMoose said:
http://breakfastcookie.tumblr.com/post/26879625651/so-a-girl-walks-into-a-comedy-club
http://thinkprogress.org/alyssa/2012/07/10/514002/daniel-tosh-gang-rape/

While making rape jokes at a comedy club, Daniel Tosh was told off by a woman who didn't that rape was very funny. He started making jokes about how funny it would be if she was gang raped.
Read the full article

So Tosh then starts making some very generalizing, declarative statements about rape jokes always being funny, how can a rape joke not be funny, rape is hilarious, etc. I don?t know why he was so repetitive about it but I felt provoked because I, for one, DON?T find them funny and never have. So I didnt appreciate Daniel Tosh (or anyone!) telling me I should find them funny. So I yelled out, ?Actually, rape jokes are never funny!?
I did it because, even though being ?disruptive? is against my nature, I felt that sitting there and saying nothing, or leaving quietly, would have been against my values as a person and as a woman. I don?t sit there while someone tells me how I should feel about something as profound and damaging as rape.
After I called out to him, Tosh paused for a moment. Then, he says, ?Wouldn?t it be funny if that girl got raped by like, 5 guys right now? Like right now? What if a bunch of guys just raped her??
Well, I'm never watching Tosh.0 again...
Then again, I never did...
Hope this shows up on Jezebel...
Really slimy move. Actually, this kind of reminds me of the Kramer incident...
Update: Well, did this story ever get big quick... HuffPo and Think Progress in a very short time! The wonders of social media!
By the way you left out the option to vote yes. No doubt you did so to try to illustrate and force us all to assimilate to your viewpoint.

You're wrong. You don't have to find it funny but don't tell the rest of us what the hell we're suppose to find funny.
 

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Haha, I'm sorry, what?

You're equating me, in severity, with people who defend rape, because I'm snarky to someone who is so dedicated to being wrong that he's rolling his eyes at statistics that frankly children should know?

Man. Can you imagine if I'd attacked him with irony? I mean sarcasm is bad, but what if I hit him with... metaphor? I could be arrested for a hate crime.

Fact: Anywhere between 1 in 4 to 1 in 7 women are sexually assaulted in their lifetime. Something like 80%+ cases go unreported, because people like yourself trivialize the situation and make it seem like people who stand up for rape victims are unwanted, that turning rape into a joke is a-okay, and so forth. It's where we get the myth that rape victims are lying (that only happens in 3% of cases; you'd think it was 93% if you listened to the internet); its where we get a culture that blames women for dressing slutty if they get attacked, and on and on.

There's been about a hundred threads about this and frankly it's just sad. the information is out there. You can read it or not; but if you don't and then come in here saying things that are patently untrue and passing yourself off as an authority, I'm going to be snarky, sarcastic and, perish the thought, ironic to you, and I don't care of the politeness police come after me. COME AT ME, BRO.
You heard me. You're just as fucking bad.
Then you and I are operating under a different definition of who a bad person is, and frankly I'd be more interested in reaching common ground with you on it if you were a more interesting person to talk to. So that's that. Cheers.
So I was right eh? "I'm not worth it"

I'd actually like to meet commmon ground. SO here. I asked for non biased proof. I'll provide it.

http://www.dvrc-or.org/domestic/violence/resources/C61/

Now the important bit. Scroll down to see where this site got it's information. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, U.S. Department of Justice, National Institute of Justice, Bureau of Justice Statistics.

Now, with this, I agree with your numbers. Now, can you justify where it's rigth to actively censor a comedian for joking about such a topic, even with ironclad proof that's it's a lot more common than most people are comfortable with? I'll leave that for you to answer. I look forward to your reply.
I accept your olive branch and would love to return to the conversation. I have a very hard time communicating with people who will not at least agree that the apple we're both looking at is the same color. Thanks for the link; it's very comprehensive and supports findings I've seen elsewhere. Now to respond:

I never suggested he should be censored. He should be allowed to say whatever he likes, as long as he's willing to accept the consequences of the things he says. He was publicly pilloried and issues a (weak) apology. Not amazing, but it's there.

I don't mind living in a society where if you tell a woman you think it might be funny if she were gang-raped, that people will come out against you. That, to me, is a society where the white blood cells are nice and strong, and slowly getting stronger. Maybe eventually we'll live in a society where it won't occur to someone to make a heeeeeeelarious joke about a specific woman being gang-raped. I don't feel like we'll have lost much.

So to summarize, I am against censoring. You're allowed to say whatever you like, as long as you accept the consequences if the boos start rolling in. you can shout over them if you want; that's your choice to make. but I'm perfectly happy being one of the boo-ers.
 

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Daniel Tosh is just a far less talented and intelligent version of George Carlin. Ignore him and he will go away, all that these people are doing is giving him free advertisement.
He is also far less dead at the moment, so too each their own I guess?
I fail to see how George Carlin's demise has any relevance to my comparison? Are you saying that because George Carlin is dead, I should watch Tosh?
 

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RoBi3.0 said:
Revnak said:
RoBi3.0 said:
Revnak said:
RoBi3.0 said:
Revnak said:
RoBi3.0 said:
lol you found a typo. You are very cleaver.
[/spoiler][/quote]

Man you are on a role.[/quote]
Now you're just being silly. I have had my fun with you good sir, stop feeding me these silly typos as I am definitely getting tired of them and have no intention of continuing.
[small]And yes, I am a wonderful actor...[/small][/quote]

LOL I was wandering when you would catch on.[/quote]
Role is not a very common misspelling of roll. If anything I would assume it would be the other way around.
And I hope you don't get lost out there.[/quote]

Is there a common misspelling of roll? It seams that it would be a pretty simple word to spell.[/quote]
Yeah, I guess that roll is pretty simple to spell, but people often get confused with homophones. That's why I assumed that it would be the other way around, as roll is more commonly used.
And that question certainly does bring together the idea that roll is fairly easy to spell.
 

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...She's jumping on the offended bandwagon. Sorry but even as a person who as known someone raped, it is not acceptable to go pushing morality on a comedy show. Can't deal with it? Leave.

Nothing you say will make the comedian accept and acknowledge that he has offended you.
And even if it does, then what? Ruined a joke plenty of people can still enjoy? Just because your own bubble of humor has been punctured by the wrong button being pressed?

I KNOW Rape and gender politics are the hot topic right now but I really want people to just stop talking about it and let actions lead the way. Allow women and men alike to point out when something is truly unfair and THEN debate about it instead of inventing scenarios just so the issue can become even more needlessly convoluted.

And this is the COMEDY genre, they joke about dead babies, animal rape, pregnancy, race, you name it. If you can't take it, don't listen to it, you don't have to have a moral epiphany and go 'Lord's Prophet' on the world. Exercise those morals yourself and by yourself alone, you influence far more by doing and then if anyone is curious enough about it THEN you can explain yourself.

If you didn't find something funny, but the rest of the audience did, then keep quiet and seethe is what I'm getting at, if it is meant to be for comedy, it is appropriate, always, censorship never leads to good in art mediums.
If this kind of joke had been made in say... a court room? Then yes. It's inappropriate.
 

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him over there said:
itsthesheppy said:
him over there said:
itsthesheppy said:
Drago-Morph said:
itsthesheppy said:
Drago-Morph said:
I'm sorry, I find it hard to believe that numbers like that aren't bullshit. I'll accept that rape is certainly a more common crime than murder, but more common than getting mugged? Than having someone break into your home? Suuuuuure.
Here. [http://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/sexual-assault-victims] These [http://www.crisisconnectioninc.org/sexualassault/rapestatistics.htm] links [http://thehathorlegacy.com/rape-statistics/] took [http://www.barcc.org/information/facts/stats/] me [http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/15/health/nearly-1-in-5-women-in-us-survey-report-sexual-assault.html] about [http://www.911rape.org/facts-quotes/statistics] one minute to collect. I don't think I need to say anything more; I'll let you read them for yourself. Note the sources; feel free to check those if you doubt the validity.

now those numbers were compiled by teams of researchers whose job it is to do that work. If you have evidence to the contrary other than, say, wishful thinking, I'm sure we're all interested in hearing it.

If you don't, do your homework, and fix your face.
I opened the first link.

It claimed 1 in 6 American women have been raped.

It then claimed 17.7 million American women have been raped.

17.7 million multiplied by six equals 106.2 million.

That's about 60 million women short of the total women in America.

Otherwise known as being off by over 33%.

Otherwise known as being a completely unreliable source.

Like I said, I can pull bullshit sensationalist statistics out of my ass, too. I'll do it if you really want me to (not because I believe them, but to prove my point if you're really so blind as to miss the purpose of this post). But honestly? Read your bullshit sensationalist statistics first, to make sure they hold up to basic mathematics.

Especially before you tell me to do my homework.
Hi. Here's the source [http://www.nij.gov/about/welcome.htm] of the information:

The direct link to the National Institute of Justice study [https://www.ncjrs.gov/txtfiles/172837.txt]. They are from the US Department of Justice so if you're looking for something more credible, you're welcome to go through it.

According to the study, 18% of women are the victims of sexual assault. That's about 1 in 5.

If you think they're wrong, go ahead and call them up. They spent your tax dollars to conduct the study. Play math games with them; it's their job to research these things. I'm just giving you the tools.

Or you can continue to think that you, Drago-Morph of the Escapist Forums, know something that people dedicated to this field don't. I wish you the best of luck.
The original quote he said that it isn't likely to be raped described a certain circumstance. That a woman feared being raped by a complete stranger in the dead of night when a man came walking towards them. He said that isn't likely. Your information and statistics are correct but invalid because they account for all rape as a whole rather than the single circumstance he refuted. Date rape, Abusive relationships and molestation between family members is far more common than total anonymous and violent rape. You're using all rape as a whole to refute his point about a very specific kind of rape.
You know what, that's a fair point. Stranger-danger rape is actually the least common form. I somehow doubt his point was quite that nuanced, however, based on the context of his statement and the things he's said subsequently.
A fair point too, however this entire side discussion is largely irrelevant save for the common theme of rape regarding whether or not it's okay to joke about it. Which I am a firm believer that it is. Mostly because shutting down something as unacceptable where the only qualifier for being unacceptable is being offensive is a slippery slope.
When it comes to the idea of shutting down rape language, rape jokes, and the rest of that stuff, and why it's important for us to treat the word 'offense' with more respect, I cannot do better than this article right here. [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/features/9766-The-R-Word]

If you get to the end of that article and still cannot understand why it's important, no power within me will be able to convince you.
 

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Tosh isn't exactly a stellar comedian. See how George Carlin does it?


Also note the bit in the middle where he talks about the actual construction of the joke.