Poll: Daniel Tosh threatens Woman with Gang Rape

[thom_cat_]

I had a conversation with a friend not 10 minutes ago:

Spoiler

Me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UE2tjRkaCw do you have a problem with this?
not saying you shouldn't, but I want to hear your opinion
Her: i was gonna say 'well he's making fun of a culture where we have to tell people rape is bad which is kinda maybe ok but he's not doing a very good job', but then he went on and i think that he did a pretty good job of reducing the issue to a petty crime and making it seem like, i guess, not that much of a big deal - which is super wrong.
I don't think he handles it in that way
i do personally think rape jokes are only okay if victims use them to alleviate their own pain - if in a context where everyone understands that that is the purpose of the joke
I think the way he words it is clear that it's very wrong and only somebody who is actually fucked up would consider it in the first place.
yeah
but, then he goes on and frankly i think he milks it more than he needs to
I agree, but I think that's just toeing the line in general
I think comedy generally does that, you just have to be sure not to cross it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4hNaFkbZYU I think Louis CK's joke handles it in the same way
another problem is that we interpret him as being 'this is horrible that we need to tell people not to rape' but it could be interpreted by stoopids as meaning 'is stupid that we need to be told not to rape because it's not an issue'
yeah well the fucking stupids are not going to change.
mmm but i don't think we should validate their opinions
if you make a joke about murder and somebody takes it as "murder is good" you don't stop joking because some idiot has no sense of right and wrong.
the problem with murder is that 1 in 6 women aren't murdered in their lifetime
Yeah, but my problem with the previous argument is that it has no relation to that statistic, it's a pretend argument that makes no sense. For example, some mass murderers use games as an excuse for murder, say "call of duty taught me to kill people" or whatever. This doesn't mean games are to blame, it means that person is fucked in the head to begin with
and murder victims don't have to live in fear and trauma for the rest of their life
plus a lot of women live in fear of sexual assault, but not in fear of murder
to be honest i find this subject i bit too scary to discuss for too long
so we might leave it at that for now?

...SNIP...

but to be honest the subject matter is frightening and the thought of people who can casually joke about things like that is pretty appalling to me

I think Daniel Tosh is actually joking about rape, and that is really horrible, but the two examples I sent you are not about rape, rape is the subject matter to insert a sting, but the joke isn't about it, it's around it.
i still don't like that
And it's really scary to know that things like that can happen to my friends, it just makes me want to find the fuckers that think it's okay and do some retribution Girl With a Dragon Tattoo style
man girl with a dragon tattoo style is scary
BUT
probably not a good idea seeing as she's a psycopath
/sociopath (i can't remember which is which)
hah, I wouldn't do it to her method.
I don't even want to think about what I would do
some girl on tumblr (yes i spend my life on tumblr) punched a guy on the street in the face cos he said he'd like to rape some girl he saw
and i was like sweeeeet.
I would do that
urgh, how can anyone think that's okay
and what gets me the most is that a GROUP OF PEOPLE can think it's okay
i used to be all 'no violence' but then i realised that some people are actually just dickheads
i know!
I'm all for violence if it's called for
I think I have an issue with the whole tumblr "all rape jokes are not okay," because I want people to actually think about their opinions on things and not just blindly reject (humour) things because it contains rape as a theme. Because then it will just be a group silencing, without any thought.
i have done a lot of thought on my opinions on it
I know you have, but many many people just jump on the bandwagon
my main reason for not thinking they're ok ever is that i don't want to remind victims of the trauma they've suffered unless they bring it up or actively seek out conversation
and on my tumblr i feel like i can discuss this as people can have a tumblr block for trigger words
I disagree, I think there is the case where it is pretty unavoidable, so it just has to be treated carefully and considered.
Because if the case was you can't say anything that may trigger people, you wouldn't be able to talk about a LOT of things. And whilst you say 1/6, that is not 1/6 can be triggered. Don't let that make you think I don't think it's serious, but take war for example, soldiers are exposed to horrible things that scar some of them for life and these things can be joked about.

So that is my opinion. Rape jokes are not okay if they are about rape, and this is. This is directly about rape, and this was directed at someone personally. That is pretty much one of the worst things he could have done.

And now would be where some of our classier posters accuse you of just white knighting to get into 'her' panties.

Because in their minds there is no other reason for a person to be nice or sympathetic/empathetic to a woman except to use her as a fucktoy.

Just thinking about your last bit about soldiers, I know a few ex-forces who did tours in N.I during the 70's and 80's, yeah they can make some awful jokes but jesus you do not want to be the person who actually triggers them on something and then follow it up with "Well I hope a bomb blow your fucking guts out too, it'd be so funny" for obvious reasons.

I have a girlfriend, and she has a boyfriend. My girlfriend is also (almost) asexual and I am not. So I can assure you and everyone else that that is not the case!

I disagree with this friend quite a lot, she believes in abortion at all stages of pregnancy, I believe in abortion after you have used all your responsibility to get to the point where you shouldn't have had a baby. I don't think a 40yr old high-income woman who "accidentally got pregnant" should have access to abortion. They should have to deal with it, it is their fault, they had the responsibility not to get pregnant and they fucked it up on their own terms.
I have a lot of other things to say on it, and she thinks that I just muddy the waters and that because I am not a woman I shouldn't be able to voice an opinion.
So yeah, I can definitely say to every degree that that is not the case and I'm just opinionated :3

No, you know what? Thats not the point, you might not be white knighting, but you are completely WRONG. This is YOUR tastes, this is YOUR line and the world does not revolve around YOU. The fact that you people focused on this says that you truly couldn't care less what happens to anyone or anything else on this world if its not a woman.

Have you seen his comedy? What he makes fun of? What other comedians make fun of? What they said to hecklers? But no, dead babies, massacres, tragedies, war, all of this is okay to make fun of...

But for the love of god don't make fun of a woman or any woman's issue or the legion of new feminists will march in and tell you how awful you are.

Well, I'm friends with a lot of feminists, and I like a lot of sick jokes, so my opinions are formed off of that, I take what they have to say and I take how I like sick jokes and I realise that telling a woman that it would be funny if people raped her in front of an audience IS NOT FUNNY. Where is the joke in that? It's not ironic, it's just wrong. I do know his other humour, and I personally do find most of it funny, but shit, his style of rape jokes aren't right. It's like a racist joke where instead of laughing at racism you're laughing at the minority.
Seriously, there is no way I get even get past the fact he said it'd be funny if she was raped. And then the audience laughs because that's what they're there for, laughing without thought, because clearly they mustn't realise how unfunny that is.

Edit: and I think you don't understand that I think that care should be taken when addressing ALL triggering subjects, not just rape. If that wasn't clear, I'm sayin' it here yo!

 

[Jaeke]

From Tosh? Well, yes, because that's his thing, and if you don't like it than don't pay attention to him and problem solved right?

*sigh* Appearently not in this, the supposedly advanced and intelligent, 21st Century.

 

[snowfi6916]

How much you wanna bet Comedy Central cancels Tosh.0 because of this?

 

[SenseOfTumour]

I'm not going to be able to add much to a thread over 20 pages long but damn...

It's at least interesting to see a debate where both sides are wrong.

Firstly, if you go a to comic's show, you've found you like his stuff, and his style, and you've bought tickets, etc. You don't then get to be all offended if after his jokes about dead soldiers, cancer, terrorism, paedophilia, kicking kittens, and dumb religious people...he says something about rape.

It's like the woman who ran to the Daily Mail after booking tickets to see Frankie Boyle, probably the most well known 'sick' comic' in the UK, and was upset because he did jokes about Down's Syndrome kids. Sure it's offensive, and sure she has the right to be offended, but not if she pays to be in audience of someone well known for doing it.

That's like jumping in front of my speeding car and suing me for driving over your legs.

Also, by all means heckle, but don't yell out something that can only bring down everyone in ear shot and leave him with nothing funny to say. You don't get to decide for everyone what he's allowed to say to his paying audience. If he keeps offending people, he'll be thrown off TV and be back doing $20 slots in scummy bars to handfuls of drunks.

However, he should have either quickly debated her on it, or come out with a creative, witty line to defuse the situation. What he said was idiotic and offensive, imo, and I like many 'sick' standups.

Doing material about rape is fine. Louis CK himself has a line 'Rape is never OK, I want to make that clear...unless you want to fuck someone and she won't let you, then what can you do, hey?' In his persona, and with his style, a horrible evil line, comes across as so stupid it's funny. (Again, to me.)

However, when you've got a single woman, who's probably come to your gig alone, surrounded by strangers, you don't even joke that it'd be good if those strangers gang raped her.

I remember Russell Howard instigated a massive wave of complaints after the Daily Mail started a campaign after his 'sick rape joke on BBC1', all he'd said was he'd been sent a sick picture of a monkey raping a frog and it was gross. Accept that most animal on animal sex is rape, especially across species, and it's not exactly on the same level.

Also, I don't find the line '4 out of 5 people enjoy gang rape' offensive, because at its core, it's a joke about statistics, sharpened to a point with a touchy subject. It's not really 'about' rape or offering a opinion, to me.

 

[mirasiel]

But for the love of god don't make fun of a woman or any woman's issue or the legion of new feminists will march in and tell you how awful you are.

If people want to play the 'free speech' card then they have to deal with the hurtful notion that some people will just call a ****/asshole a ****/asshole to their face, no use wah'ing about how all the mean feminists (which I am not btw) said mean things to him.

This guy acted like an asshole and now people are saying "God, look at that huge fucking asshole, what an asshole" .

Still not seeing the 'joke' in saying how funny it would be for a person to be raped in front of you. It's not even a witty riposte for fucks sake.

 

[game-lover]

How much you wanna bet Comedy Central cancels Tosh.0 because of this?

There's a petition going on at change.org to get the show canceled.

Conversely, there are at least seven counter petitions to defend Tosh, keep the show on the air, to get the other petition removed. Those are all relatively new so they're not big in numbers.

But I like to hope that the combined number of counter petitions might even things out.

Look, I'm not saying rape jokes are funny. In fact, I won't even get into it. But fans of Tosh.0 should not be forced to suffer my losing something they enjoy just for a mistake he made.

 

[mirasiel]

But for the love of god don't make fun of a woman or any woman's issue or the legion of new feminists will march in and tell you how awful you are.

If people want to play the 'free speech' card then they have to deal with the hurtful notion that some people will just call a ****/asshole a ****/asshole to their face, no use wah'ing about how all the mean feminists (which I am not btw) said mean things to him.

This guy acted like an asshole and now people are saying "God, look at that huge fucking asshole, what an asshole" .

Still not seeing the 'joke' in saying how funny it would be for a person to be raped in front of you. It's not even a witty riposte for fucks sake.

That's his PERSONA.

Seriously have we gotten so serious we can't tell fiction from reality anymore?

Lisa Lampanelli does the same shit as Tosh, SOME TIMES EVEN WORSE, BUT SHER NEVER MEANS IT AND NEITHER DOES HE.

Need I spell this out for everyone?

Secondly, this is DARK HUMOR. It takes TRAGEDY and turns it into COMEDY. It makes light of HUMAN SUFFERING. That's the ENTIRE POINT. Not many people are comfortable with dark humor.

Its called DARK humor for a reason.

Bolding words still doesn't make him y'know...funny...the key ingredient to humour.

You can keep railing against me (though god knows why) all you want but your tilting at a windmill, I think rape jokes can be (and often are funny) I just don't think this 'comedian' is capable of doing them and I don't think what he said was even an attempt at a joke.

I think he just wanted to say "***** shut your fucking whore mouth or I'll come down there and skull fuck you to death" but frankly didn't have the bottle or the wit to say it.

 

[snowfi6916]

How much you wanna bet Comedy Central cancels Tosh.0 because of this?

There's a petition going on at change.org to get the show canceled.

Conversely, there are at least seven counter petitions to defend Tosh, keep the show on the air, to get the other petition removed. Those are all relatively new so they're not big in numbers.

But I like to hope that the combined number of counter petitions might even things out.

Look, I'm not saying rape jokes are funny. In fact, I won't even get into it. But fans of Tosh.0 should not be forced to suffer my losing something they enjoy just for a mistake he made.

Us bronies said the same thing when a few people got upset about how Derpy was portrayed in The Last Roundup. We had over 50,000 signatures on change.org saying to keep her as is. There was under 500 who wanted her changed in another petition on the same site. Guess who Hasbro went with?

A company like Comedy Central will protect its public image first and formost, regardless of how many people support him. I know from experience. Hopefully it won't kill his career all together.

 

[zyzzyx]

It's a joke, not a fucking sermon. Why is it you can't even tell a joke anymore without someone taking it WAY too seriously?

 

[Warforger]

Well Daniel Tosh's main category of comedy is dark humor. Sometimes it delves into incredibly dark areas. Being offended at what he does is like being offended at Lisa Lampanelli for calling any man that looks even slightly effeminate a ******.

Its just what they do.

"Satire" or "Dark Humor" seems to be a fancy way of "making really offensive jokes". It alludes to say that it's complex when in all of actuality it isn't. It isn't hard to make those kinds of jokes, anyone can, nor are they funny. On top of that the person who says them ends up being an ever bigger dick as when someone points out that not only are they not funny they're also wrong they'll try to wiggle around and keep up the happy mood at the cost of being a decent person rather than admitting defeat and that maybe they are a bit insensitive.

I mean I used to be like that, and no it isn't an art form nor is it funny. Tosh.0 is more of this crap, even then the vast majority of jokes are just "lol he did something gay". It astounds me how he has segments where he says "let's put 20 seconds on the clock and see how many funny comments I can post" when in the 20 or so minutes of the show he fails to say one.

 

[mirasiel]

But for the love of god don't make fun of a woman or any woman's issue or the legion of new feminists will march in and tell you how awful you are.

If people want to play the 'free speech' card then they have to deal with the hurtful notion that some people will just call a ****/asshole a ****/asshole to their face, no use wah'ing about how all the mean feminists (which I am not btw) said mean things to him.

This guy acted like an asshole and now people are saying "God, look at that huge fucking asshole, what an asshole" .

Still not seeing the 'joke' in saying how funny it would be for a person to be raped in front of you. It's not even a witty riposte for fucks sake.

That's his PERSONA.

Seriously have we gotten so serious we can't tell fiction from reality anymore?

Lisa Lampanelli does the same shit as Tosh, SOME TIMES EVEN WORSE, BUT SHER NEVER MEANS IT AND NEITHER DOES HE.

Need I spell this out for everyone?

Secondly, this is DARK HUMOR. It takes TRAGEDY and turns it into COMEDY. It makes light of HUMAN SUFFERING. That's the ENTIRE POINT. Not many people are comfortable with dark humor.

Its called DARK humor for a reason.

Bolding words still doesn't make him y'know...funny...the key ingredient to humour.

You can keep railing against me (though god knows why) all you want but your tilting at a windmill, I think rape jokes can be (and often are funny) I just don't think this 'comedian' is capable of doing them and I don't think what he said was even an attempt at a joke.

I think he just wanted to say "***** shut your fucking whore mouth or I'll come down there and skull fuck you to death" but frankly didn't have the bottle or the wit to say it.

You can "think" (if you even want to call it that) all you want. But you consistently miss the point like the rest of the people who keep taking all comedians seriously and not even taking into account the different versions of comedy.

Its a show. Its fake. Its entertainment. He is MEANT to be mean.

Why people think entertainers are the same personality off stage is beyond me. Probably the same people who believe SpongeBob is a real person or think Lisa Lampanelli is serious.

And one must never analyse, question or challenge the entertainers.


What is it you are losing by my (and others) stating that I (and others) think he acted like an asshole* and should take the results of that like a man?


*the fact that it may or may not be a crafted persona doesn't matter since the persona doesn't exist in a complete vacuum.

 

[samaugsch]

This is all blown out of proportion. Yes, he's a douche, a not very funny douche, but it is just a joke and she's taking it personally. If you can't take a joke, don't go to a show where someone tells jokes. Seems like common sense to me.

Or go to a different comedian who tells different jokes. That works, too.

 

[Khazoth]

Lisa Lampanelli does the same shit as Tosh, SOME TIMES EVEN WORSE, BUT SHER NEVER MEANS IT AND NEITHER DOES HE.

Lisa is a woman, however, so their not gonna call her on it because their new age feminists, and they believe women have the right to do anything they wish and say anything they wish.