Here's a theory: you remember Mister Reese (the anti-batman lawyer) from the previous film? What if, as a blatant FU to Batman canon (as the villain's name was actually Ed Nigma, or something like that), Mister Reese becomes the Riddler in the upcoming sequel? His name sets it up perfectly: "Mister-Reese; Mysteries."
Poll: Dark Knight 3, new characters?
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Ive never seen Robin included in a film acurately and well so no for him. As much as I adore his character he's just too hard to include.
Riddler? Oh yes yes yes. Yes. o_o
Harley? Tenative yes, if only for the pleasure of seeing it done well...
Catwoman? Get out of my house.
Bane...egghhh he's not...well, I'll just say no and leave it there. Unless they do his backstory well and have time to do it well I just dont see him being interesting enough.
Penguin ahaha, okay if they can pull it off I say go for it.
Riddler? Oh yes yes yes. Yes. o_o
Harley? Tenative yes, if only for the pleasure of seeing it done well...
Catwoman? Get out of my house.
Bane...egghhh he's not...well, I'll just say no and leave it there. Unless they do his backstory well and have time to do it well I just dont see him being interesting enough.
Penguin ahaha, okay if they can pull it off I say go for it.
Actually, now that I think about it a little more, I think they could utilize the Riddler in an effective manner. Instead of having him be a crime boss or somebody against society, he could emerge as a character that says he knows Batman's identity, but doesn't reveal who it is. He could work sort of as a 'consultant character' for the authorities in the hunt for Batman, by giving them cryptic riddles to help find out what Batman is doing and the like. While this would be going on, another main villain would be the one that the story was mainly focused on. I'd take away his villain status but keep the rest of his personality as an important side character.Trivun said:
One; If it's the Dark Knight 3, whatever happened to 2? Just a bit of spelling there - sorry 
And I think it's going to be the Riddler, if we're being serious. I read in an article somewhere that they were exploring the idea of the Riddler as some sort of cyberterrorist or something.
Although I would *love* to see Nightwing, I think it's unlikely to happen; Harley Quinn, until now, has been sort of a package deal with the Joker, although what about Poison Ivy?
And I think it's going to be the Riddler, if we're being serious. I read in an article somewhere that they were exploring the idea of the Riddler as some sort of cyberterrorist or something.
Although I would *love* to see Nightwing, I think it's unlikely to happen; Harley Quinn, until now, has been sort of a package deal with the Joker, although what about Poison Ivy?
This, i would pay good money to see a 5 minute intro, a 10 second fight, followed swiftly by Batman's funeral.ThrobbingEgo said:
They wouldn't have enough to bury.Ben Legend said:
Also: http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1884973
http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1906726
That's a pretty good idea, and it fits with the ideas established in Batman Forever about the Riddler. In that he actually stalks Bruce Wayne and stops Two Face from killing him simply so Batman can solve a riddle, and it sort of fits with the Riddler's methods and twisted view of the world. I sincerely hope the Christopher Nolan is a member of this site (unlikely, I know) and is reading all these ideas... I reckon if they do bring in the Riddler though, then either David Tennant or Johnny Depp would be the perfect choice for the role (Depp was actually close to landing the role back in Batman Forever, but then Tim Burton dropped out and it ended up directed by someone else, can't remember who though...).Cadren said:
Iv'e got a pleasing mental image of shirley manson in a catsuit! ala michelle pfeiffer.theStrachan said:
I have to admit when I first thought of her it was for the same reasons....Darth Sea Bass said:Iv'e got a pleasing mental image of shirley manson in a catsuit! ala michelle pfeiffer.theStrachan said:
A few points:
#1: There is no real reason they can't bring The Joker back, he could get messed up, undergo some massive cosmetic surgery, and return under a new actor. Granted it wouldn't be Heath Ledger, but honestly Heath presented the character as a guy in a mask. The thing about the Joker is that he's supposed to "naturally" look that way.
#2: Harley Quinn is a popular character, kind of interesting given where she started. She was also the bad guy in the "Birds Of Prey" TV series (which I kind of miss, despite the use of the old school version of "The Huntress") I could see a very similar premise done better.
The thing is though that Harley is supposed to be even more nuts than The Joker in her own way. Logically if they were going to pull her out they'd have to sex it up a bit more than the above poster, and honestly Poison Ivy would be the best choice for a double header for her.
#3: I have mixed opinions about The Riddler, he mostly seems to be treated like a bum nowadays as his entire "riddles" Motif is a disadvantage as much as anything. Done right he could be cool, but it sort of fits under the "meh" catagory for me.
#4: The Mad Hatter is a villain that has not been done yet. He's kind of silly (like the Penguin) though he does have mind control technologies that could be turned into a more serious characters.
#5:
I get tired of people talking about how Batman kicked Superman's butt in "The Dark Knight Returns" (comic books). It never happened. People who talk about it seemingly have never read the bloody story and simply quote it by what they heard secondhand from people that also probably never read it.
I recommend you go read it for real, if your too lazy:
*SPOILERS*
Superman throws a fight against Batman. Basically what happens is that he's sent in to get Batman who is fighting him using a suit of powered armor. In this version of the story Superman is SO FAST earlier that you can't even see him. He however never uses that (or even most of his powers) when fighting Batman. Batman *IS* quite rude to him by using personal information, and actually DOES manage to injure him.
The fight ends with Superman apparently down and Batman having a "heart attack" and dying.
Later you find out that Batman used drugs to fake his own death, Superman however was both active and fully aware of the fact that Batman was alive due to the fact that as slowed as it was he could still hear his heart beating.
So basically for everything that Batman said in that fight, Superman was still enough of a friend (and a good enough guy) to let Batman go. That's the entire point of the story. Superman could have WTFpwned Batman any time he wanted.
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HOWEVER one important Caveat here:
Batman has won a couple of quick things with Superman. One of them was suckerpunching Superman (when he was somehow under Poison Ivy's control) in "Hush". Batman was using a Kryptonite ring. This was not a knock down, drag-out fight though. He got one cheap shot and did enough with it to pretty much get away.
He also defeated superman vicariously through the "Tower Of Babel" storyline where Ra's Al Ghul's daughter Talia infiltrates the Bat Cave via the JLA base teleporter and steals Batman's contingency plans for if he ever had to take down the Justice League without killing them. Then The League Of Assasins implements Batman's plans on the JLA. Superman was nailed by what amounted to a surprise attack using liquid Kryptonite if I remember correctly.
This however was not directly done by Batman. This briefly lead to him leaving the JLA during an unresolved vote on whether to boot him for having "plotted against them". The big question of course being whether such contingency measures should have existed as an emergency measure. It was an interesting storyline.
Unlike Dark Knight, these happened in the canon.
At any rate one of the reasons why Frank Miller was seen as being a genius (as I understood it) was that he told a good Batman Vs. Superman story, made it entertaining, and wasn't cheezy enough to actually have Batman win despite the apparent victory at one point. It does LOOK like Batman kicks Supes butt in that fight, but in reality you find out it never
happened.
>>>----Therumancer--->
#1: There is no real reason they can't bring The Joker back, he could get messed up, undergo some massive cosmetic surgery, and return under a new actor. Granted it wouldn't be Heath Ledger, but honestly Heath presented the character as a guy in a mask. The thing about the Joker is that he's supposed to "naturally" look that way.
#2: Harley Quinn is a popular character, kind of interesting given where she started. She was also the bad guy in the "Birds Of Prey" TV series (which I kind of miss, despite the use of the old school version of "The Huntress") I could see a very similar premise done better.
The thing is though that Harley is supposed to be even more nuts than The Joker in her own way. Logically if they were going to pull her out they'd have to sex it up a bit more than the above poster, and honestly Poison Ivy would be the best choice for a double header for her.
#3: I have mixed opinions about The Riddler, he mostly seems to be treated like a bum nowadays as his entire "riddles" Motif is a disadvantage as much as anything. Done right he could be cool, but it sort of fits under the "meh" catagory for me.
#4: The Mad Hatter is a villain that has not been done yet. He's kind of silly (like the Penguin) though he does have mind control technologies that could be turned into a more serious characters.
#5:
I get tired of people talking about how Batman kicked Superman's butt in "The Dark Knight Returns" (comic books). It never happened. People who talk about it seemingly have never read the bloody story and simply quote it by what they heard secondhand from people that also probably never read it.
I recommend you go read it for real, if your too lazy:
*SPOILERS*
Superman throws a fight against Batman. Basically what happens is that he's sent in to get Batman who is fighting him using a suit of powered armor. In this version of the story Superman is SO FAST earlier that you can't even see him. He however never uses that (or even most of his powers) when fighting Batman. Batman *IS* quite rude to him by using personal information, and actually DOES manage to injure him.
The fight ends with Superman apparently down and Batman having a "heart attack" and dying.
Later you find out that Batman used drugs to fake his own death, Superman however was both active and fully aware of the fact that Batman was alive due to the fact that as slowed as it was he could still hear his heart beating.
So basically for everything that Batman said in that fight, Superman was still enough of a friend (and a good enough guy) to let Batman go. That's the entire point of the story. Superman could have WTFpwned Batman any time he wanted.
-
HOWEVER one important Caveat here:
Batman has won a couple of quick things with Superman. One of them was suckerpunching Superman (when he was somehow under Poison Ivy's control) in "Hush". Batman was using a Kryptonite ring. This was not a knock down, drag-out fight though. He got one cheap shot and did enough with it to pretty much get away.
He also defeated superman vicariously through the "Tower Of Babel" storyline where Ra's Al Ghul's daughter Talia infiltrates the Bat Cave via the JLA base teleporter and steals Batman's contingency plans for if he ever had to take down the Justice League without killing them. Then The League Of Assasins implements Batman's plans on the JLA. Superman was nailed by what amounted to a surprise attack using liquid Kryptonite if I remember correctly.
This however was not directly done by Batman. This briefly lead to him leaving the JLA during an unresolved vote on whether to boot him for having "plotted against them". The big question of course being whether such contingency measures should have existed as an emergency measure. It was an interesting storyline.
Unlike Dark Knight, these happened in the canon.
At any rate one of the reasons why Frank Miller was seen as being a genius (as I understood it) was that he told a good Batman Vs. Superman story, made it entertaining, and wasn't cheezy enough to actually have Batman win despite the apparent victory at one point. It does LOOK like Batman kicks Supes butt in that fight, but in reality you find out it never
happened.
>>>----Therumancer--->
haha, you have a point. I didn't even need to click on the links to know what they were about.ThrobbingEgo said:
point is, Superman would beat Batman hands down everytime.
have bane come in and shoot the harley quinn in the face
then get oh wait
f**ck it remeber tweedledee and tweedledum have them shove a screwdriver up batmans ass
then get oh wait
f**ck it remeber tweedledee and tweedledum have them shove a screwdriver up batmans ass
The Riddler and Harley would work well together, I think. Harley wants to bring down Batman for killing Joker, and the Riddler has the resources she needs to do it. Harley ends up destroying one of the riddles because she doesn't want to give Batman a chance, pissing Riddler off, and they go for each other at the climax.
Also, give me Tennant or give me death.
Also, give me Tennant or give me death.
Well... let's have me an analysis.
First, I'm also calling bullshit on the posters. Most definitely fake - the movie is still in the discussion phase, dammit!
Second I'm going to present two ideas - two entirely different premises based on whether Ledger would be replaced or not.
REPLACED
Villains: The Joker (mainly as a manipulator in Arkham), Harley Quinn (A la Two-Face), The Penquin (Ugly mob boss rising to mighty godfather)
Plot: The Joker is incarcerated, and Batman is on the run, fighting crime whilst accepting those of the deceased Two-Face. As the police, their resolve stronger after the Dark Knight affair, begin to shut down the mob, the Joker charms his psychiatrist, Harleen Quinzel, stealing her phone and, using it, contacts a former henchman - the deformed, sociopathic Oswald Cobblepot.
A penniless bum with eyes on aristocracy, Cobblepot was formerly a con artist before joining the Joker. Oswald, tormented since youth by the name of Penquin (due to his glandular obesity, stumpy, waddling gait and long, crooked nose) is asked to spread chaos by joining the mob. However, smart enough to run on his own two feet, Oswald insted takes the idea for himself, hoping to collapse Gotham into his headquarters for a new criminal empire. He cons a nightclub from its owner and begins racketeering, obtaining much of the north of Gotham as the Batman clashes with his mob henchmen.
Meanwhile, the Joker begins to mould the quiet and timid Harleen into his twisted mirror image, manipulating the reforming games in their psychiatry sessions and eventually reversing the roles as Harleen, who believes she loves the Joker (her pumpkin'), laps up his worldviews and slips into insanity as his abuse and mind games crack her psyche. Eventually, she takes a razor blade (in a scene reminiscent of both the Jokers mirror scene from Batman and the Catwoman sewing scene from Batman Returns) and carves herself a permanent Nicholson or Comics-esque rictus grin before tearing up her red and black dresses and stitching a costume for herself, taking the moinker Harley Quinn.
After a number of clashes with both the police and the ever growing, Penquin managed mob, Batman begins to doubt his abilities in a city that despises him for doing the right thing. He, as Bruce Wayne, encounters Cobblepot at a socialites gathering. Cobblepot, who has used his ill gotten gains and become a self-claimed-self-made man, attempts to con Bruce out of Waynecorp. However, Bruce recognises Cobblepot for who he is after he utters his characteristic laugh (a wheezing, athsmatic blend between a chuckle and a guffaw) and leaves, confronting and interrogating the Penquin (Burton-ish outfit, but with more of a mod feel, eg black and white two piece suit or a drab grey blazer and a scruffy white shirt). Just before he cracks, though, Harley Quin (wearing her costume and messy white facepaint and black lipstick and three black freckles on each cheek).
Quinn assaults the Batman and eventually slices his stomach across his belly button with a kitchen knife, penetrating the gaps in his armour (Harley's madness is childishly psychotic, making her unpredictable and effective. She also continuously hums the nursery rhyme "Three Blind Mice"). Leaving him for dead, she escapes with the Penquin. Harley then proceeds to feign loyalty to him, while, in actuality, she follows the commands of the Joker ringing in her head (Harley eventually develops schitzophrenia, hallucinating that her "pumpkin'" is in front of her, in his straightjacket [which is purple and green in her hallucinations], barking orders and leading her to their cherished anarchy).
The nightclub where the battle occured is investigated by the police. Commisioner Gordon finds Batman and, instead of arresting him, brings him to his home and, with the aid of his wife, 10 year old son and 16 year old daughter, nurse shim back to health, never removing his mask. Batman remains unconcious (blood poisoning?) for several days. When he awakes, he speaks to Gordon, and, as a thanks and a show of respect, leaves him his mask. Gordon, who did not see Batmans face, places the mask on his mantel.
The film culminates in a collosal mob war, as the Penquin and his legions storm the city, as Harley duels with the Batman. However, as the Penquin revels in his near victory, he begins to aspyxiate due to the smoke and dust from the gunfire. When he reaches for his inhaler (which began in the film as a shabby, cracked blue one and became a perfect condition one, a gold one and culminated in platinum) he realises it is not there - instead, a card with a jesters face on one side and a joker smile on the other alerts him to the treachery of Harley. As the battle rages on, he is shot point blanc in the chest by his own minion, as his flailing around got in the way of the shot as it was fired.
Batman eventually pins Harley to the floor, and, after a lengthy dualogue over the morality of men and the state of the mind, brings her to Gordon, asking for her to go to state prison as opposed to Arkham. Quinn, who had been secure in the belief that her "pumpkin" was at the end of the road for her, begins to writhe and scream before curling into the fetal position, sobbing, in the back of a paddy wagon.
Here, the film ends. However, there is an after-credits scene wherin a hand with long, painted fingernails takes the Batman mask down from the mantel...
Ok... I'm going to put the second bit uo tomorrow - I'm tired now. If anyone wants to comment on my overlong post, go ahead!
First, I'm also calling bullshit on the posters. Most definitely fake - the movie is still in the discussion phase, dammit!
Second I'm going to present two ideas - two entirely different premises based on whether Ledger would be replaced or not.
REPLACED
Villains: The Joker (mainly as a manipulator in Arkham), Harley Quinn (A la Two-Face), The Penquin (Ugly mob boss rising to mighty godfather)
Plot: The Joker is incarcerated, and Batman is on the run, fighting crime whilst accepting those of the deceased Two-Face. As the police, their resolve stronger after the Dark Knight affair, begin to shut down the mob, the Joker charms his psychiatrist, Harleen Quinzel, stealing her phone and, using it, contacts a former henchman - the deformed, sociopathic Oswald Cobblepot.
A penniless bum with eyes on aristocracy, Cobblepot was formerly a con artist before joining the Joker. Oswald, tormented since youth by the name of Penquin (due to his glandular obesity, stumpy, waddling gait and long, crooked nose) is asked to spread chaos by joining the mob. However, smart enough to run on his own two feet, Oswald insted takes the idea for himself, hoping to collapse Gotham into his headquarters for a new criminal empire. He cons a nightclub from its owner and begins racketeering, obtaining much of the north of Gotham as the Batman clashes with his mob henchmen.
Meanwhile, the Joker begins to mould the quiet and timid Harleen into his twisted mirror image, manipulating the reforming games in their psychiatry sessions and eventually reversing the roles as Harleen, who believes she loves the Joker (her pumpkin'), laps up his worldviews and slips into insanity as his abuse and mind games crack her psyche. Eventually, she takes a razor blade (in a scene reminiscent of both the Jokers mirror scene from Batman and the Catwoman sewing scene from Batman Returns) and carves herself a permanent Nicholson or Comics-esque rictus grin before tearing up her red and black dresses and stitching a costume for herself, taking the moinker Harley Quinn.
After a number of clashes with both the police and the ever growing, Penquin managed mob, Batman begins to doubt his abilities in a city that despises him for doing the right thing. He, as Bruce Wayne, encounters Cobblepot at a socialites gathering. Cobblepot, who has used his ill gotten gains and become a self-claimed-self-made man, attempts to con Bruce out of Waynecorp. However, Bruce recognises Cobblepot for who he is after he utters his characteristic laugh (a wheezing, athsmatic blend between a chuckle and a guffaw) and leaves, confronting and interrogating the Penquin (Burton-ish outfit, but with more of a mod feel, eg black and white two piece suit or a drab grey blazer and a scruffy white shirt). Just before he cracks, though, Harley Quin (wearing her costume and messy white facepaint and black lipstick and three black freckles on each cheek).
Quinn assaults the Batman and eventually slices his stomach across his belly button with a kitchen knife, penetrating the gaps in his armour (Harley's madness is childishly psychotic, making her unpredictable and effective. She also continuously hums the nursery rhyme "Three Blind Mice"). Leaving him for dead, she escapes with the Penquin. Harley then proceeds to feign loyalty to him, while, in actuality, she follows the commands of the Joker ringing in her head (Harley eventually develops schitzophrenia, hallucinating that her "pumpkin'" is in front of her, in his straightjacket [which is purple and green in her hallucinations], barking orders and leading her to their cherished anarchy).
The nightclub where the battle occured is investigated by the police. Commisioner Gordon finds Batman and, instead of arresting him, brings him to his home and, with the aid of his wife, 10 year old son and 16 year old daughter, nurse shim back to health, never removing his mask. Batman remains unconcious (blood poisoning?) for several days. When he awakes, he speaks to Gordon, and, as a thanks and a show of respect, leaves him his mask. Gordon, who did not see Batmans face, places the mask on his mantel.
The film culminates in a collosal mob war, as the Penquin and his legions storm the city, as Harley duels with the Batman. However, as the Penquin revels in his near victory, he begins to aspyxiate due to the smoke and dust from the gunfire. When he reaches for his inhaler (which began in the film as a shabby, cracked blue one and became a perfect condition one, a gold one and culminated in platinum) he realises it is not there - instead, a card with a jesters face on one side and a joker smile on the other alerts him to the treachery of Harley. As the battle rages on, he is shot point blanc in the chest by his own minion, as his flailing around got in the way of the shot as it was fired.
Batman eventually pins Harley to the floor, and, after a lengthy dualogue over the morality of men and the state of the mind, brings her to Gordon, asking for her to go to state prison as opposed to Arkham. Quinn, who had been secure in the belief that her "pumpkin" was at the end of the road for her, begins to writhe and scream before curling into the fetal position, sobbing, in the back of a paddy wagon.
Here, the film ends. However, there is an after-credits scene wherin a hand with long, painted fingernails takes the Batman mask down from the mantel...
Ok... I'm going to put the second bit uo tomorrow - I'm tired now. If anyone wants to comment on my overlong post, go ahead!
Superman is lame. Batman kicked his ass more than once! I don't care if he had Kryptonite rings or Superman wasn't looking, Superman didn't want to hurt Batman...Batman kicks Superman ass, in personality and awesomeness...and everything else!Ben Legend said:
Which only cements that Superman is one of the most lame ass super heroes ever made up.