Poll: Dark Lords
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(Warning: Fanboyish speech approaching.)Evil Jak said:Yes, I saw that... but I also saw that you folded under Vader nerdrage! XDZeroMachine said:I already beat both of you to itEvil Jak said:
And again, Revan shouldn't count, as he redeemed himself and ended up becoming one of the greatest Jedi heroes of the Old Republic.
And he was the greatest Sith Lord and greatest Jedi, its common knowledge that the most powerful force-users preceeded the film time-line and Revan has acheived the most out of all of the big hitters... redemption doesnt count as Revan never left neutrality... he was reluctant to make a "Malak-sized" armada because of its dark side heritage.
So, err... yeah.
Although Revan was close to the greatest Sith Lord during his dark time, he wasn't the greatest. Two greater ones come to mind- Darth Bane, the Sith'ari, and the previously mentioned Darth Sidious. Darth Bane created the Rule of Two, the success of which culminated with the true greatest Sith Lord, Darth Sidious. Sidious's force power was never really explored in the movies other than his powers of manipulation. Beyond that, he was a master of Force Lighting and he could actually use Force Storm, which can wipe out an entire fleet. But his Force skill isn't why he was the greatest... he was the greatest because he was the only Sith to ever have complete dominion over the Galaxy and wipe out the Jedi, save for less than a handful. Although when it came to combat he may have lost to Revan, he was the most successful out of all of them.
So, this is how I look at it:
1. Sidious
2. Bane
3. Revan
... Good GOD, I've become such a Star Wars fanboy within just the past few weeks =X blame cball11.
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The problem is that he (she?) is talking canon-wise and you're talking movie-wise. Although I don't think Revan is a Vader wannabe, I'm on your side with this. Vader came first. Although some of the other things that came from Star Wars are more enjoyable, the source material has to be respected as... well... the source. It all started there.Meado said:
Yeah...Vader came almost 30 years before Revan....Yes Vader was created before Revan. Now stop saying stupid stuff.seydaman said:
I think most of the Mythos doesn't aren't evil. They just think of us humans as bad weeds in their backgrounds so they must be exterminated.sallene said:
Then again....They want to kill all of us, and only the ones who sell their souls to them will be spared from Cthulhu awakening...
Sith value power above all else, these things that you mention dont make a great Sith. They would consider Revan the greatest of them, he is a master of war, corruption, manipultaion and death. Malakor V, a Sith greatest achievement realised. He killed men, beasts, enemies, allies and a planet that day... all through his choices.ZeroMachine said:(Warning: Fanboyish speech approaching.)Evil Jak said:Yes, I saw that... but I also saw that you folded under Vader nerdrage! XDZeroMachine said:I already beat both of you to itEvil Jak said:
And again, Revan shouldn't count, as he redeemed himself and ended up becoming one of the greatest Jedi heroes of the Old Republic.
And he was the greatest Sith Lord and greatest Jedi, its common knowledge that the most powerful force-users preceeded the film time-line and Revan has acheived the most out of all of the big hitters... redemption doesnt count as Revan never left neutrality... he was reluctant to make a "Malak-sized" armada because of its dark side heritage.
So, err... yeah.
Although Revan was close to the greatest Sith Lord during his dark time, he wasn't the greatest. Two greater ones come to mind- Darth Bane, the Sith'ari, and the previously mentioned Darth Sidious. Darth Bane created the Rule of Two, the success of which culminated with the true greatest Sith Lord, Darth Sidious. Sidious's force power was never really explored in the movies other than his powers of manipulation. Beyond that, he was a master of Force Lighting and he could actually use Force Storm, which can wipe out an entire fleet. But his Force skill isn't why he was the greatest... he was the greatest because he was the only Sith to ever have complete dominion over the Galaxy and wipe out the Jedi, save for less than a handful. Although when it came to combat he may have lost to Revan, he was the most successful out of all of them.
So, this is how I look at it:
1. Sidious
2. Bane
3. Revan
... Good GOD, I've become such a Star Wars fanboy within just the past few weeks =X blame cball11.
EDIT:
The problem is that he (she?) is talking canon-wise and you're talking movie-wise. Although I don't think Revan is a Vader wannabe, I'm on your side with this. Vader came first. Although some of the other things that came from Star Wars are more enjoyable, the source material has to be respected as... well... the source. It all started there.Meado said:
According to LucasArt and Bioware KOTOR took place 3000 years before the events of the film. The movie was made before the game but Episode 4 came out 30 years before Episode 2 so it's really a logic Blackhole.oliveira8 said:Cause SW came 30 years before KOTOR thats how.ZeroMachine said:How can Revan be a Darth Vader wannabe when he came first by 4000 years?MasterSqueak said:
I suggest we end this and agree to disagree after this in order to avoid derailing the thread/causing a flame war, but you just listed everything I listed about Sidious.Evil Jak said:
"Sith value power above all else"
No Sith had as much power as Sidious. He ruled the galaxy. An entire GALAXY. You can't get much more power than that.
"Master of war"
Sidious was fighting a two front war... against himself. He was in control of both the Republic's army, later the Empire's army, and the Seperatists through Count Dooku. Also, up until Galen Marek and Luke Skywalker, he kept all rebellion in check as emperor.
"Corruption, manipulation"
This is exactly how Sidious, as Palpatine, gained power. He manipulate and corrupted hundreds of politicians, generals, and the like in order to take over.
"Death"
If you mean killing thousands, Sidious does cover this. I'll admit I don't know who killed more, so Revan may have the upper hand here, but if we're talking power over death, Sidious wins. He was the first Sith to come back from the grave. He created clones of himself, and brought his spirit back from death using the force to inhabit the clones. Revan never did this, as it can only be assumed he died a Jedi.
As for killing beasts, men, and destroying a planet, well... Death Star. 'Nuff said.
I'm sorry if I'm getting all Sidious-fanboy on ya, but you have to look at the facts.
Palpatine: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sidious
Revan: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Revan
Again, let's end this here. I'm willing to continue the discussion through PM's if we keep it civil, which I'm sure we can manage, but we shouldn't derail this thread any further
Sauron FOO!
Although, really, he is the Second Dark Lord, Morgoth is the first.
Just throwing that out there.
Although, really, he is the Second Dark Lord, Morgoth is the first.
Just throwing that out there.
And because she's the freaking WHITE witch. A female sorceress with an emphasis on whiteness is not a candidate for a DARK LORD.Ken_J said: