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oliveira8

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Rigs83 said:
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MasterSqueak said:
Darth Vader.

Revan is a Vader wannabe, Palpatine is an old corpse, Sauron gets his power from a ring, and Ganondorf just cant take a hint.

New Troll said:
The Day Star a.k.a. The Devil a.k.a. Lucifer (Morning Star) a.k.a. Iblis a.k.a. Shaitan a.k.a. Satan

So evil, one name is just not enough.
The rules say no Satan.
How can Revan be a Darth Vader wannabe when he came first by 4000 years? :p
Cause SW came 30 years before KOTOR thats how.
According to LucasArt and Bioware KOTOR took place 3000 years before the events of the film. The movie was made before the game but Episode 4 came out 30 years before Episode 2 so it's really a logic Blackhole.
Theres no logic blackhole, its just a fact that Vader came first independent of the SW timeline.

Vader came before Raven and Bioware(I really don't think that Raven is a Vader wannabe anyway...) probably took inspiration on Darth Vader. Who is the most well known Sith.
 

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Gerazzi said:
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i have to say that the greatest dark lord is the devil him self LUCIFER.
Read the original post, no religious/mythological figures.

Gerazzi said:
How 'bout loveable ol' me?
Once again, no non-fiction.
What, just because I'm an Atheist means I can't be fictional?
Xenophobe.
I'm sorry, I don't quite catch your meaning. If your're saying that because you're an athiest, and you don't believe in the devil, that means that the devil IS fictional to you, I have to disagree, hence why I put religious/mythological. The devil, whether you believe in him or not, is non-fiction, because fiction, for all intents and purposes, is never intended to be interpreted as fact, where's religion/mythology IS intended to be interpreted as fact. As the devil WAS intended to be believed in, he is non-fiction, and thus, his candidacy for this thread is null and void.

(If you meant something else, I apologise for the long-winded counterargument, and would appreciate a more detailed explanation)
 

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MasterSqueak said:
hippykiller said:
MasterSqueak said:
Darth Vader.

Revan is a Vader wannabe, Palpatine is an old corpse, Sauron gets his power from a ring, and Ganondorf just cant take a hint.

New Troll said:
The Day Star a.k.a. The Devil a.k.a. Lucifer (Morning Star) a.k.a. Iblis a.k.a. Shaitan a.k.a. Satan

So evil, one name is just not enough.
The rules say no Satan.
one question? how can Revan be a Vader wannabe if Revan was alive several thousand years before Vader?
Vader was created before Revan.
no he was not. Revan was from KOTOR1 which takes place like 5000 years before the empire.
 

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Sauron.

He was a GOD's second in command for gods sake.

If you didn't know that, read the Silmarillion
Yeah. Got the silmarillion. Can't really get into it. Morgoth wasn't it? But Sauron always aimed to overthrow him. He was never gonna be anyone's 2nd. And he took Morgoth's power as his own eventually.
 

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Mray3460 said:
I'm sorry, I don't quite catch your meaning. If your're saying that because you're an athiest, and you don't believe in the devil, that means that the devil IS fictional to you, I have to disagree, hence why I put religious/mythological. The devil, whether you believe in him or not, is non-fiction, because fiction, for all intents and purposes, is never intended to be interpreted as fact, where's religion/mythology IS intended to be interpreted as fact. As the devil WAS intended to be believed in, he is non-fiction, and thus, his candidacy for this thread is null and void.

(If you meant something else, I apologise for the long-winded counterargument, and would appreciate a more detailed explanation)
it was a joke, man, stop being so serious on the internet.
 

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Evil Jak said:
hippykiller said:
MasterSqueak said:
Darth Vader.

Revan is a Vader wannabe, Palpatine is an old corpse, Sauron gets his power from a ring, and Ganondorf just cant take a hint.

New Troll said:
The Day Star a.k.a. The Devil a.k.a. Lucifer (Morning Star) a.k.a. Iblis a.k.a. Shaitan a.k.a. Satan

So evil, one name is just not enough.
The rules say no Satan.
one question? how can Revan be a Vader wannabe if Revan was alive several thousand years before Vader?
Oh man, you get there first... I was going to say that... well I shall put this instead:
http://www.icanhasforce.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/star-wars-darth-revan.jpg

Haha, there is a better one but I couldnt find it... or couldnt be bothered finding it. XD
roflmao (i can't believe i just said that, i feel so dirty) anyway, that poster says the truth. Vader was a Pansie for going back over to the light.
 

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Ken_J said:
Mray3460 said:
Ken_J said:
Why the Fuck didn't you list Vader? and Jadis doesn't count as a dark lord because she's a women.
Because, technically, he wasn't the one in charge. That, and he was redeemed.
Now here me out, in the fudle (or however it's spelled) system of government, who i in charg? The king or the Lord? you asked lord.
I'm not talking about the actual title of "Dark Lord," I'm focusing more on the "Dark Lord" architype. I.E. A person of supreme authority and power, who is uniformly portrayed by the storyteller as evil. This is why Jadis counts as evil and Vader doesn't: Jadis never has a redeeming moment and answers to no-one, Vader eventually redeems himself and, beforehand, answers to Palpatine.
 

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hippykiller said:
MasterSqueak said:
hippykiller said:
MasterSqueak said:
Darth Vader.

Revan is a Vader wannabe, Palpatine is an old corpse, Sauron gets his power from a ring, and Ganondorf just cant take a hint.

New Troll said:
The Day Star a.k.a. The Devil a.k.a. Lucifer (Morning Star) a.k.a. Iblis a.k.a. Shaitan a.k.a. Satan

So evil, one name is just not enough.
The rules say no Satan.
one question? how can Revan be a Vader wannabe if Revan was alive several thousand years before Vader?
Vader was created before Revan.
no he was not. Revan was from KOTOR1 which takes place like 5000 years before the empire.
Vader was created before Revan in real life and therefore Revan's character was inspired by Vader. And it's 4000 years, not 5000, but that's just nitpicking :p

hippykiller said:
Evil Jak said:
hippykiller said:
MasterSqueak said:
Darth Vader.

Revan is a Vader wannabe, Palpatine is an old corpse, Sauron gets his power from a ring, and Ganondorf just cant take a hint.

New Troll said:
The Day Star a.k.a. The Devil a.k.a. Lucifer (Morning Star) a.k.a. Iblis a.k.a. Shaitan a.k.a. Satan

So evil, one name is just not enough.
The rules say no Satan.
one question? how can Revan be a Vader wannabe if Revan was alive several thousand years before Vader?
Oh man, you get there first... I was going to say that... well I shall put this instead:
http://www.icanhasforce.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/star-wars-darth-revan.jpg

Haha, there is a better one but I couldnt find it... or couldnt be bothered finding it. XD
roflmao (i can't believe i just said that, i feel so dirty) anyway, that poster says the truth. Vader was a Pansie for going back over to the light.
Revan did as well in the canon ending of KotOR.
 

Mray3460

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Gerazzi said:
Mray3460 said:
I'm sorry, I don't quite catch your meaning. If your're saying that because you're an athiest, and you don't believe in the devil, that means that the devil IS fictional to you, I have to disagree, hence why I put religious/mythological. The devil, whether you believe in him or not, is non-fiction, because fiction, for all intents and purposes, is never intended to be interpreted as fact, where's religion/mythology IS intended to be interpreted as fact. As the devil WAS intended to be believed in, he is non-fiction, and thus, his candidacy for this thread is null and void.

(If you meant something else, I apologise for the long-winded counterargument, and would appreciate a more detailed explanation)
it was a joke, man, stop being so serious on the internet.
Sorry, I'm a serious guy, I wish there was a way people could type in a humorous tone like they when they speak while telling a joke.
 

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ZeroMachine said:
Evil Jak said:
Sith value power above all else, these things that you mention dont make a great Sith. They would consider Revan the greatest of them, he is a master of war, corruption, manipultaion and death. Malakor V, a Sith greatest achievement realised. He killed men, beasts, enemies, allies and a planet that day... all through his choices.
I suggest we end this and agree to disagree after this in order to avoid derailing the thread/causing a flame war, but you just listed everything I listed about Sidious.

"Sith value power above all else"

No Sith had as much power as Sidious. He ruled the galaxy. An entire GALAXY. You can't get much more power than that.

"Master of war"

Sidious was fighting a two front war... against himself. He was in control of both the Republic's army, later the Empire's army, and the Seperatists through Count Dooku. Also, up until Galen Marek and Luke Skywalker, he kept all rebellion in check as emperor.

"Corruption, manipulation"

This is exactly how Sidious, as Palpatine, gained power. He manipulate and corrupted hundreds of politicians, generals, and the like in order to take over.

"Death"

If you mean killing thousands, Sidious does cover this. I'll admit I don't know who killed more, so Revan may have the upper hand here, but if we're talking power over death, Sidious wins. He was the first Sith to come back from the grave. He created clones of himself, and brought his spirit back from death using the force to inhabit the clones. Revan never did this, as it can only be assumed he died a Jedi.

As for killing beasts, men, and destroying a planet, well... Death Star. 'Nuff said.

I'm sorry if I'm getting all Sidious-fanboy on ya, but you have to look at the facts.

Palpatine: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sidious

Revan: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Revan

Again, let's end this here. I'm willing to continue the discussion through PM's if we keep it civil, which I'm sure we can manage, but we shouldn't derail this thread any further :p
Controlling both sides of a war is not being a master of war, that would fall under manipulation.

And Sith dont value power as a collective, they value an individuals power. If you arent strong then you arent fit to rule the Sith, hence all of the betrayals.

And I do look at the facts, everything that Revan acheived he did so individually. Turning the tide of the Mandalorian War so drastically, on his own. Taking over the Sith, he did on his own. Goes to fight the ACTUAL Sith in the Outer Rim, on his own. And everyone knows that the ACTUAL Sith are the generally more powerful than most other Force-users. And he did what Sidious did except he fought openly for the Republic, training them and winning the war and then he changes sides and fights what he created... the people he trained knowing his battle tactics and such and still pushed them to the brink of destruction without an infinite fleet.

And yes, we will have to agree to disagree because I have just taken some sleeping pills and things are getting crazy. :D
 

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Evil Jak said:
ZeroMachine said:
Evil Jak said:
Sith value power above all else, these things that you mention dont make a great Sith. They would consider Revan the greatest of them, he is a master of war, corruption, manipultaion and death. Malakor V, a Sith greatest achievement realised. He killed men, beasts, enemies, allies and a planet that day... all through his choices.
I suggest we end this and agree to disagree after this in order to avoid derailing the thread/causing a flame war, but you just listed everything I listed about Sidious.

"Sith value power above all else"

No Sith had as much power as Sidious. He ruled the galaxy. An entire GALAXY. You can't get much more power than that.

"Master of war"

Sidious was fighting a two front war... against himself. He was in control of both the Republic's army, later the Empire's army, and the Seperatists through Count Dooku. Also, up until Galen Marek and Luke Skywalker, he kept all rebellion in check as emperor.

"Corruption, manipulation"

This is exactly how Sidious, as Palpatine, gained power. He manipulate and corrupted hundreds of politicians, generals, and the like in order to take over.

"Death"

If you mean killing thousands, Sidious does cover this. I'll admit I don't know who killed more, so Revan may have the upper hand here, but if we're talking power over death, Sidious wins. He was the first Sith to come back from the grave. He created clones of himself, and brought his spirit back from death using the force to inhabit the clones. Revan never did this, as it can only be assumed he died a Jedi.

As for killing beasts, men, and destroying a planet, well... Death Star. 'Nuff said.

I'm sorry if I'm getting all Sidious-fanboy on ya, but you have to look at the facts.

Palpatine: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sidious

Revan: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Revan

Again, let's end this here. I'm willing to continue the discussion through PM's if we keep it civil, which I'm sure we can manage, but we shouldn't derail this thread any further :p
Controlling both sides of a war is not being a master of war, that would fall under manipulation.

And Sith dont value power as a collective, they value an individuals power. If you arent strong then you arent fit to rule the Sith, hence all of the betrayals.

And I do look at the facts, everything that Revan acheived he did so individually. Turning the tide of the Mandalorian War so drastically, on his own. Taking over the Sith, he did on his own. Goes to fight the ACTUAL Sith in the Outer Rim, on his own. And everyone knows that the ACTUAL Sith are the generally more powerful than most other Force-users. And he did what Sidious did except he fought openly for the Republic, training them and winning the war and then he changes sides and fights what he created... the people he trained knowing his battle tactics and such and still pushed them to the brink of destruction without an infinite fleet.

And yes, we will have to agree to disagree because I have just taken some sleeping pills and things are getting crazy. :D
Hah, alright, goodnight buddy. I haven't had a good nerd-off like that in a while. Cheers!

SomeBritishDude said:
I'm surprised Voldermort's not here.
Hm... good point.
 

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Mray3460 said:
SomeBritishDude said:
I'm surprised Voldermort's not here.
GAH! Knew I forgot someone...
You have Big Brother (a nonexistent figurehead) listed as a Dark Lord, but not Voldemort? That's...kinda surprising.

I mean, my vote still goes towards Sauron (yes, even over Morgoth, the gambit with the Rings of Power was that badass), but Voldemort is still pretty high up there. If you get over the fact that he's basically localized in Britain, he's a cold-blooded psychopath, master of asstons of dark magic, terrorizes a large geographical area even after his apparent death, and manages to be essentially unkillable except through convoluted means.
 

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Jamous said:
Either MORGOTH. Sauron's BOSS. Because he's hardcore. Or maybe Mammon from Spawn. He ALWAYS has a plan.
Hardcore? If I remember right, his fortress got broken into and a jewel stolen from his crown by and elf, a man, and a dog. And what was he doing while all this was happening? Sleeping.

He also got maimed by an elf.

Fail.

:D
 

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WHERE.THE HELL. IS VOLDEMORT!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Damn,ninja'd by only a few minutes!