Unless they are trying to hurt my family or me, it is only material goods. I might be pissed, and would do my best to get the police there quickly, but I wouldn't kill someone over it. Everything is replaceable and it isn't worth someones life. If that person has the intent to hurt my family though, it is open season. I do own about a dozen guns, but have never felt the need to point one at another person. If I felt the person was truly dangerous but wasn't threatening my family, I might shoot him in the leg in the Tib-Fib area, as not to kill him but make sure he can't get away before the police arrive.
Poll: Defending your property.
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Really??? How many people seriously believe they can hit a running target it the foot with a shot from a pistol?
I'm sorry, but that's dumb. Have you ever even fired a real gun before? If some lunatic's coming at you with a knife in a dark alley and you happen to have a gun handy, you aim at their center of mass and fire several shots rapidly. You don't want to kill them, but you do want to make sure they stop. If killing's what it takes, so be it. There's no time to dick around with fancy video game crap in that situation. If they're not an immediate threat to you, you damn well don't shoot at them. That's completely insane. Murdering someone over an iPad is insane, and shooting someone that's unarmed is insane. If you're dumb enough to try some Hollywood nonsense shot, aside from the possibility of permanently crippling or even killing someone over an iPad or whatever, what happens if you're out in public and you miss? Handguns are incredibly inaccurate.
This isn't like a video game. People die from being shot it the foot, and people live through being shot it the head. Weird shit happens. You just don't shoot at someone unless you're willing to see them die, and unless you're completely insane yourself that shouldn't happen unless you're trying to save another life or prevent a rape or something completely at the far end of crazy like that. And in that kind of situation, trying to get all fancy like some kind of movie hero just makes it more likely you'll screw up and do more harm than good.
I'm sorry, but that's dumb. Have you ever even fired a real gun before? If some lunatic's coming at you with a knife in a dark alley and you happen to have a gun handy, you aim at their center of mass and fire several shots rapidly. You don't want to kill them, but you do want to make sure they stop. If killing's what it takes, so be it. There's no time to dick around with fancy video game crap in that situation. If they're not an immediate threat to you, you damn well don't shoot at them. That's completely insane. Murdering someone over an iPad is insane, and shooting someone that's unarmed is insane. If you're dumb enough to try some Hollywood nonsense shot, aside from the possibility of permanently crippling or even killing someone over an iPad or whatever, what happens if you're out in public and you miss? Handguns are incredibly inaccurate.
This isn't like a video game. People die from being shot it the foot, and people live through being shot it the head. Weird shit happens. You just don't shoot at someone unless you're willing to see them die, and unless you're completely insane yourself that shouldn't happen unless you're trying to save another life or prevent a rape or something completely at the far end of crazy like that. And in that kind of situation, trying to get all fancy like some kind of movie hero just makes it more likely you'll screw up and do more harm than good.
No.
And I'm normally the one that advocates extreme violence and in this case it is not JUST because I consider an iPad punishment enough.
It's because it would not be within the remit of Self Defence, if they were only trying to snatch an iPad out of my hand (assuming my pinkie was not caught) then I'd just let them have it but if I was legally permitted to carry a gun and had one then I would draw it, not necessarily point it at them.
I'd just have it at the ready in case they wanted something more, like maybe they felt like beating me up to impede me following them.
I wouldn't shoot them as they were running away, I might fire a warning shot in the air but frankly if all they want is some insurable personal property then they can have it and I'm happy for them to be far far away.
And I'm normally the one that advocates extreme violence and in this case it is not JUST because I consider an iPad punishment enough.
It's because it would not be within the remit of Self Defence, if they were only trying to snatch an iPad out of my hand (assuming my pinkie was not caught) then I'd just let them have it but if I was legally permitted to carry a gun and had one then I would draw it, not necessarily point it at them.
I'd just have it at the ready in case they wanted something more, like maybe they felt like beating me up to impede me following them.
I wouldn't shoot them as they were running away, I might fire a warning shot in the air but frankly if all they want is some insurable personal property then they can have it and I'm happy for them to be far far away.
How can you say this man. More than likely the person is stealing because its the only way he knows how to live. Most petty criminals grow up in horrible environments, parental abuse or no parents at all, introduction to drugs at very early ages, no support from responsible friends or adults. Very narrow minded to accuse someone of being fundamentally evil for such a petty crime as theft.Veleste said:
I can guarantee you're from an average middle class back ground, probably white, perfectly average intelligence, adequate education, comfortable life, right?
I'm not saying theft is right, but knee-capping someone isn't the best way to improve anyone situation. The sooner people realise this the sooner we can start sorting shit out.
Edit: And regarding the whole iPad burglary, we all know who the real thief was in this. Looking at you Steve Jobs. >.>
Too true, aiming with a pistol even at he best of times against a static target is extremely hard and even then what I've read leads me to believe that the odds are against you putting them down quickly. People are surprisingly resilient to being shot, even through the lungs, guts liver and small calibre non-expanding bullets are not guaranteed to stop someone if shot through the heart! Example: 9mm round-nose makes a 3mm wide hole in heart (stretchy) but as the heart muscle contracts to pump blood the hole is mostly sealed.ZephrC said:
The only way a bullet to the head is guaranteed to "stop" a target is the shock-wave through the brain (giving a very direct concussion), unless the base of the brain is destroyed then you only have a Lobotomy, which people can recover remarkably from.
When it comes to firearms I have found they tend to miss at the worst time... and also hit at the worst time. So if you aren't justified in shooting that's the one time you're bullet will actually hit what you were aiming at.
Of course if you did shoot and miss you could easily say you were only firing a warning shot.
Reminds me of this hilarious panel I saw in a French Comic book (can't rememeber the name):
(the hero aims though his rifle scope at the bad guy as he advances on horseback, placing the crosshairs right on his head. He is trying not to shake as he squeezes the trigger)
Next frame: the bullet completely misses and shatters a small rock next to the Villain, who stares around startles and looks up to see the hero.
The hero is just as shocked, he has to be the worst shot in the world missing that but thinking fast he bluffs it:
"Don't move Von Karl! That's was just a warning shot, the next goes right between your eyes!"
In a speech bubble Von Karl thinks: "Mein gott, he hit that small rock from all the way over there?!?"
no there is no reason to shoot. just threaten him with it, that should do the trick.
on top of that: at least in my country the law says that you must not shoot at someone just for protection of property. you are only allowed to defend yourself in the least brutal but still effective way. so if your life or health would be in serious danger you may shoot but you cant buy guns just cause here like in the US.
on top of that: at least in my country the law says that you must not shoot at someone just for protection of property. you are only allowed to defend yourself in the least brutal but still effective way. so if your life or health would be in serious danger you may shoot but you cant buy guns just cause here like in the US.
I'd hire Voldo(Soul Caliber) to guard my treasure.
May death come swiftly before he finds teh person who steals my stuff.
May death come swiftly before he finds teh person who steals my stuff.
Preying on someone is evil. There is no two ways about it. It doesn't matter what kind of background you come from, lying in wait for someone with no other purpose than to attack them and take something they bought that you want is evil. It's premeditated and callous. They weren't stealing food or money, they were stealing an iPad. They were stealing out of want, not out of need and it ended up with a man losing a finger. That is evil and I will stand by my statement.Shpongled said:
Also I came from a working class family in rural Ireland which as you can imagine, didn't leave a lot of money for throwing around. Education in Ireland is free so yes I got one but the money I have today is of a direct result of hard work, not theft or assault. You know what they say about assumptions, it makes an ass out of u and mption.
It depends on which handgun u are using, but, in general, it is very hard to hit a foot size target from any range, and if u do succeed in hitting his foot, the bullet is likely to ricochet off the ground after it goes right through his foot, possibly hitting some random passer by, which will be somewhat difficult to explain to the cops.Treblaine said:
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Put it this way; would you expect a child brought up by wolves (yes, its extreme, but stay with it) to get a job, get a mortgage etc and support himself legitimately if he were thrown into the center of a city. Obviously in reality it's not so extreme, but when you don't receive a proper upbringing, getting knee-capped when you get caught doesn't teach you to not steal, it teaches you to not get caught.
Evil is not the correct word for it. Upbringing DOES matter. If someone has been brought up essentially on the streets, heavily involved in gang culture, hard drugs the norm, in and out of prison etc etc, they won't know how to live a productive life. You earn your money to buy your iPad because you won the birth lottery and got an upbringing that prepared you for living in todays society. Your average petty criminal didn't. You can't expect someone who has been stealing since he was 5 years old to from out of the blue have an epiphany, turn his life around, get a proper job and learn how to live.Veleste said:
Put it this way; would you expect a child brought up by wolves (yes, its extreme, but stay with it) to get a job, get a mortgage etc and support himself legitimately if he were thrown into the center of a city. Obviously in reality it's not so extreme, but when you don't receive a proper upbringing, getting knee-capped when you get caught doesn't teach you to not steal, it teaches you to not get caught.
