Poll: Dextromethorphan (Robitussin) - Down the rabbit hole

[Evil Smurf]

Don't make snide remarks if you don't have the content to back it up. Condescendingly dismissing several paragraphs with a cliche then refusing to back it up is just a bit silly.

Now why'd I do that when we both know nothing but hard experience will convince you otherwise?

Why make the remark in the first place when we both know it will lead to nothing but unnecessary contention?

I will stick to alcohol man, drugs seem a little extreme

Alcohol is a drug. It is actually a fairly hard drug. Even among illegal drugs there are several that are safer than alcohol.

Physical damage it is right up there with recreational Robitussin use. Granted, the high from alcohol is not as strong.

drinking a beer looks better the downing a bottle of cough syrup at the pub bro

 

[beastro]

Why make the remark in the first place when we both know it will lead to nothing but unnecessary contention?

Why even make this thread to begin with?

What did you seek in it besides enablement?

 

[Risingblade]

I came into this thread thinking of another type of rabbit hole...

 

[Lono Shrugged]

snipity

I have felt that out of body "Holy shit we are all the same being of infinite love" and I dismiss it and just get on with enjoying being messed up for it's own sake. It's a chemical reaction. I have been like that when I was at a happy place in my life and like that when I was at a very bad patch. Both times I felt like the world was amazing and that I was a prince of the universe even when I knew things were fucked in my life. It's a pretty selfish attitude and that combined with the fact that my fellow enablers were buying into that shit I decided to lay off it realising it's basically another form of the human mind trying to sense-make the universe the same way religion does. To me a guy who did acid and SWEARS he knows we are beings of supreme crunchiness is the same as some wild eyed religious nut saying jesus told him to wear red socks. If you ever break up with your girlfriend and do drugs you will realise that the "love" you feel when you are stoned is just a way that the chemical buzz manifests itself. It's totally dishonest and does not represent your true feelings at your core. Trust me on this one. Drugs lie to you about the world, sometimes it's a good thing, more often than not it's not worth it.

Isn't this saying that the way you see the world on drugs isn't less "real" than how you see it off them? It's just that the only reference point we have is how most of us do see "the world", which is off drugs. There is no "the world" outside of that.

That's my point exactly, when you are on drugs you fool yourself into thinking you see more. Which is as delusional as people who believe God talks to them or they see ghosts. A bit of self awareness is needed.

 

[TheRightToArmBears]

That's my point exactly, when you are on drugs you fool yourself into thinking you see more. Which is as delusional as people who believe God talks to them or they see ghosts. A bit of self awareness is needed.

But the difference surely is that when you're not high anymore you're aware of what was the drug? Personally I don't trust what I see if I have taken something, but it's interesting to watch. It's a lie for sure, but then so is watching a film. I agree that self awareness is needed with hallucinogens, if you did that with a drug like mdma you would ruin the entire experience.

 

[Lono Shrugged]

That's my point exactly, when you are on drugs you fool yourself into thinking you see more. Which is as delusional as people who believe God talks to them or they see ghosts. A bit of self awareness is needed.

But the difference surely is that when you're not high anymore you're aware of what was the drug? Personally I don't trust what I see if I have taken something, but it's interesting to watch. It's a lie for sure, but then so is watching a film. I agree that self awareness is needed with hallucinogens, if you did that with a drug like mdma you would ruin the entire experience.

It's just some guys I know seem to think it's like a transcendant experience. I'm actually pretty happy a lot of people see it like I do. I guess to many people have seen movies where they think that drugs = spiritual enlightenment. It's dopes I know who do acid and are all evangelical about it like they have achieved enlightenment. It's like, I watch Avatar in 3d and you are totally engrossed in the prettiness and feel like you are there. but when you walk out you don't go telling people that you went to Pandora

 

[TheRightToArmBears]

It's just some guys I know seem to think it's like a transcendant experience. I'm actually pretty happy a lot of people see it like I do. I guess to many people have seen movies where they think that drugs = spiritual enlightenment. It's dopes I know who do acid and are all evangelical about it like they have achieved enlightenment. It's like, I watch Avatar in 3d and you are totally engrossed in the prettiness and feel like you are there. but when you walk out you don't go telling people that you went to Pandora

Huh... I've never met anyone like that. That's staggeringly dumb. I thought people got over that shit in the 60's.

 

[Beffudled Sheep_v1legacy]

People who take them are weak.

Not weak. Just bored.

Edit: I should probably include some justification. I don't think that drug use is a sign of weakness at all. Excessive use and abuse, absolutely, but recreational use? Some of the greatest thinkers in the world, like the late Carl Sagan, all used various drugs themselves for a variety of reasons, some of them citing their use as influences in their thinking.

That doesn't sound like weakness to me.

Nor does the artist or the musician who have been inspired while on various chemicals.

I feel like you're being extremely hyperbolic, and hope it was unintentional. Alternately, I'd like an explanation as to why I'm "weak."

Personal experience coloring my opinion on the matter. I don't know you and wouldn't attempt to give you a reason. Blanket generalizations are by their nature hyperbolic.

 

[unoleian]

Did it. It's rather horrible. Or more rather, horribly unpredictable. No way to tell if you're in for an interesting time or will just spend 3-4 hours scratching yourself to death because a non-stop itching sensation sets practically everywhere. Add that with the tension in the neck, total divorce from any sort of basic cognition and physical coordination, confusion & incoherent thoughts, drowsiness, racing heart and other unpleasant shit, and it's pretty clearly just horrible, horrible stuff.

Smoke a bowl. Eat some mushrooms. Have fun. Stay the fuck away from DXM if you know what's good for you. If you're liable to do DXM, you probably think you know what's good for you (I did my research I can handle this, I'm ready for it bro), but the truth is if you're taking recreationally in the first place, you've already invalidated your legitimacy to that claim.

 

[thiosk]

Robotripping is as lame now as it was in 1996.

 

[Xdeser2]

.......No

Why would you do that, anyway? Usually its not a good idea to dump synthesized chemicals that have listed side-effects down your throat just cause.

Just saying its not exactly smart...

 

[Lono Shrugged]

Huh... I've never met anyone like that. That's staggeringly dumb. I thought people got over that shit in the 60's.

Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, Bil Hicks, Easy Rider etc. It's endemic of popular culture to glamorize the effects. Scanner Darkly is more like it in my experience.

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

Don't make snide remarks if you don't have the content to back it up. Condescendingly dismissing several paragraphs with a cliche then refusing to back it up is just a bit silly.

Now why'd I do that when we both know nothing but hard experience will convince you otherwise?

Why make the remark in the first place when we both know it will lead to nothing but unnecessary contention?

I will stick to alcohol man, drugs seem a little extreme

Alcohol is a drug. It is actually a fairly hard drug. Even among illegal drugs there are several that are safer than alcohol.

Physical damage it is right up there with recreational Robitussin use. Granted, the high from alcohol is not as strong.

drinking a beer looks better the downing a bottle of cough syrup at the pub bro

When you talked about alcohol I assumed you meant drinking to get drunk. If you're talking about having a beer or two that's a different story entirely. At that quantity alcohol is very safe and pretty much entirely harmless.

Why make the remark in the first place when we both know it will lead to nothing but unnecessary contention?

Why even make this thread to begin with?

What did you seek in it besides enablement?

As always, I sought people who are intelligent enough to back up their statements.

 

[TheRightToArmBears]

Huh... I've never met anyone like that. That's staggeringly dumb. I thought people got over that shit in the 60's.

Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, Bil Hicks, Easy Rider etc. It's endemic of popular culture to glamorize the effects. Scanner Darkly is more like it in my experience.

Eh, that's what people get for believing Hollywood. I think the only accurate drug fiction film I've ever seen is Human Traffic, and that's not about hallucinogenics.

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

Did it. It's rather horrible. Or more rather, horribly unpredictable. No way to tell if you're in for an interesting time or will just spend 3-4 hours scratching yourself to death because a non-stop itching sensation sets practically everywhere. Add that with the tension in the neck, total divorce from any sort of basic cognition and physical coordination, confusion & incoherent thoughts, drowsiness, racing heart and other unpleasant shit, and it's pretty clearly just horrible, horrible stuff.

Smoke a bowl. Eat some mushrooms. Have fun. Stay the fuck away from DXM if you know what's good for you. If you're liable to do DXM, you probably think you know what's good for you (I did my research I can handle this, I'm ready for it bro), but the truth is if you're taking recreationally in the first place, you've already invalidated your legitimacy to that claim.

I never experienced any of the bad effects you talked about, although a friend who drank way too much experienced some bad things a couple weeks ago. I had to take care of him that night, keep bringing him water, make sure he had a place to vomit that wasn't my floor, ect. At a regular dose I've never noticed it or heard about it happening though.

Not only did I research it but, as stated, I have experience using it. It's a crazy drug but it's definitely not strong enough that by taking it recreationally it invalidates the claim that you researched it and can handle it. It could mean that. It could also mean a person is good at handling his high, which I generally am.

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Huh... I've never met anyone like that. That's staggeringly dumb. I thought people got over that shit in the 60's.

Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, Bil Hicks, Easy Rider etc. It's endemic of popular culture to glamorize the effects. Scanner Darkly is more like it in my experience.

Eh, that's what people get for believing Hollywood. I think the only accurate drug fiction film I've ever seen is Human Traffic, and that's not about hallucinogenics.

It is a little ridiculous. I know a guy who uses DXM as almost a religious sacrament. It gives really interesting feelings that, in the moment, feel like religious enlightenment, but I can't imagine sobering up and concluding "that thing I experienced on a semi-hard drug was the truth".

 

[unoleian]

Not only did I research it but, as stated, I have experience using it. It's a crazy drug but it's definitely not strong enough that by taking it recreationally it invalidates the claim that you researched it and can handle it. It could mean that. It could also mean a person is good at handling his high, which I generally am.

As someone who's been down more psychoactive roads than you are probably aware even exist, let me tell you this is a dangerous mode of thought. Strike it from your consciousness immediately and appraise yourself more fully of the risks and long-term effects of the substance you are taking so much of. I implore you to back off of this shit if you value your quality of life and your intelligence.

You're dabbling in things that will have fundamentally negative effects on your cognition long after it's too late to change it. You may not realize it now, but some day you will. Trust me.

Take it from my experience. Don't make the same mistakes.

 

[Lono Shrugged]

Huh... I've never met anyone like that. That's staggeringly dumb. I thought people got over that shit in the 60's.

Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, It's endemic of popular culture to glamorize the effects. Scanner Darkly is more like it in my experience.

If you think anything Hunter S Thompson wrote was a glamorisation, I seriously doubt you've actually read it. Fear and Loathing's tag line isn't "A Savage Journey into the heart of the American dream" because it sounds cool.

Hunter was always brutally honest about the effect drugs had on him. And his reasons for doing them.

You are absolutely right and he has written amazing books and was a fantastic and intelligent writer. The people I am talking about have never read Hunter S. Thompson. Or if they did they only paid attention during the zany stories. It reminds me how I read that some Marines watch Apocalypse Now or Platoon and cheer during the scenes where they burn the villages down and kill innocent people because it was "hardcore" I really don't want generalize here. And I am a massive fan of all that stuff I referenced. I just know some people who watch the movie and laugh at "We're in bat country" and don't pay attention during the diner scene.

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

Not only did I research it but, as stated, I have experience using it. It's a crazy drug but it's definitely not strong enough that by taking it recreationally it invalidates the claim that you researched it and can handle it. It could mean that. It could also mean a person is good at handling his high, which I generally am.

As someone who's been down more psychoactive roads than you are probably aware even exist, let me tell you this is a dangerous mode of thought. Strike it from your consciousness immediately and appraise yourself more fully of the risks and long-term effects of the substance you are taking so much of. I implore you to back off of this shit if you value your quality of life and your intelligence.

And then on the other hand I know a frequent LSD and salvia user who is an eagle scout and goes to Harvard.
Using strong drugs constantly is harmful. However, I do more research on drugs than most people do before buying a car. I know what is a safe amount of use on just about anything I decide is acceptable to put in my body.

Also, you're speaking from experience, but you don't explain how your experience was bad or so frightening. I've heard "drugs are bad". I've heard scares. I've heard past addicts talk about how drugs ruined their lives. All I know is that since I've started taking drugs I haven't considered suicide nearly as often and I also know that many of the decisions I've made because of the overall shift in mindset drugs have caused me have radically improved the actual circumstances of my life.

I can be dissuaded from using a drug if there is enough evidence that it is just terrible for me. For example, ketamine sounds really fun. However, ketamine users have a strange tendency to lose their entire damn bladders with extended use of the drug, which is considered one of the most psychologically addictive drugs that exists. I like having a bladder, so I will never use ketamine.

Hell, heroin would probably be a damn good time. However, the risks outweigh the benefits very distinctly with that drug.

By just telling me you've been down the road of using drugs and then telling me they aren't worth it, you're not giving me details on why I shouldn't use the specific substance. You're arguing from experience and asking me to go off your experience, but there are different people from whom I hear about very conflicting experiences with drugs like these.

I guess what I'm asking is, are there any specific reasons to not use DXM that I probably haven't heard of while reading about the drug? If there are, I would like to know so I can better assess whether it is worth it. If there aren't, then there is nothing to assess.

Cough medicine?

Why not just spring for some Acid or Shrooms.

This kinda reminds me of my days of grating nutmeg.

It's likely that I'll try those at some point. I'm not opposed to them, I just have no earthly idea of where I would get them. I know some shady people that could probably help me out.

As for nutmeg, how was that? I've never done deliriants, (too damn afraid of spiders to do something casually called "spidering out") but I've heard some very interesting stories.