Poll: Did the UN Just Declare War on Libya?! Yes they did
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I might be wrong but aren't the first deployments meant to be British and French this time?mxfox408 said:
This, a thousand times this.skibadaa said:
While I worry about what the Arab world will think about the West poking its nose into their affairs yet again, this is mitigated by the fact that Libya is a part of the UN, and as such the UN is well within their rights to impose a no-fly zone (which is, again, all this is; there has been no declaration of war by anyone); this isn't American imperialism unless the UN is now the US. Add to that the fact that Libyan citizens have been imploring the UN to intervene, and military action comes somewhere in the range of justifiable.
BoosterGold said:
I do not believe it is all about the oil but that certainly cannot be discounted as a factor for UN involvement. After all, 1st world countries are more deserving of the oil and ownership can clearly not be trusted with the locals.
But in anycase, Libya is right in Europe's backyard. In theory media coverage should be more "global" than the Iraq war was.
Do I believe it is justified? I haven't decided yet. However, I'll wait and see if this develops further. Besides, I'm seeing a debate between "war" and "no-fly zone" here in the comments and I do not intend to participate.
*Googles situation*
EDIT: Get this Gadhafi guy out of there. He clearly is going to have his war one way or another and I suggest that supporting this revolution against his rule is the way to go. They have requested UN assistance from day 1.
[sub]God I hate war. However this plays out, people will die in the thousands.[/sub]
Agreed. Rwanda is something I pray to god is never repeated.DazBurger said:
OP doesn't know what he's talking about.
He was born a little too late to complain about the second gulf war with the US and President Bush, so this is the best runner-up.
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Please, Libya was a shit hole with a psychotic despot: the rebels could make a case based solely on the human rights violations and quality of life Gaddafi has put them through.
He is now firing on his own people. Pretty much everyone around the world has been complaining for decades of the UN's inaction during the Rwanda genocide and all the shit that has been going down in Darfur, so why complain when they finally decide to do something?
Gaddafi could not be a more deserving candidate for new UN policy change.
*edit: And no, I don't think this is about oil. I just think it's because everyone really really hates Gaddafi.
He was born a little too late to complain about the second gulf war with the US and President Bush, so this is the best runner-up.
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Please, Libya was a shit hole with a psychotic despot: the rebels could make a case based solely on the human rights violations and quality of life Gaddafi has put them through.
He is now firing on his own people. Pretty much everyone around the world has been complaining for decades of the UN's inaction during the Rwanda genocide and all the shit that has been going down in Darfur, so why complain when they finally decide to do something?
Gaddafi could not be a more deserving candidate for new UN policy change.
*edit: And no, I don't think this is about oil. I just think it's because everyone really really hates Gaddafi.
The UN are the only (iirc) organisation able to authorise an joint strike by all NATO countries, basically NATO is essentially the UN military armCrazyCapnMorgan said:
(I'm aware there is a lot more to it than that, and I may be wrong, [correcting me would be awesome] but I believe that is the gist)
This isn't war. It's a no-fly zone and relief for civilian population. The UN has authorized all things to stop aggression SAVE for invasion. So it's not that the U.N. is telling someone to go invade, it's trying to stop Ghaddafi from massacring the civilian population, or rebel forces.
Please, don't act like this is another Iraq.
Please, don't act like this is another Iraq.
Eh hope it goes well, but you sure they have declared a war?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12791910
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12791910
I agree. That man has shown himself unfit to lead and now that his acts are crimes against his own people. Although...I don't know much about the Rebels so they could be just as bad. Still, for them to declare intervention is not only good but also quite interesting....I'm glad to see a UN that takes action.Generic Gamer said:
Well, yes and no - Gadaffi has been give an ultimatum by the UN security council, through the mouth of America. If he does not pull back from the rebel controlled cites, "there will be consequences"BoosterGold said:
That to me does not sound like War, but much like 1939, when Britain told Hitler to refrain from his soiree into Poland, else there would be consequences, it only seems like a matter of time.
They are killing each other anyway - would it not do us to help get in there, remove the cancer that is Gadaffi and help to install someone to run the place who isn't a radical Islamist, like Iran wants to do? The last thing we need is more knobs like that running around, taunting us for having all of the oil, when no-one seems to be bothered about making Hydrogen powered cars at all.
Finally! An American who doesn't like the UN! I've been waiting for so long!Cliff_m85 said:
But seriously, no. You don't condemn the an entire organisation for actions committed by a few working for it.
To say, "The UN does some pretty unspeakably horrific things to people as well" is a poor choice of words. Not only do they imply the guilt of the whole organisation, they imply that an official decision was made to carry out these actions. Obviously neither of these things are the case.
You are falling for the rhetoric that Gaddafi hoped we would fall for. He was quoted saying that if the west stepped in then everyone would see the war as imerialism rather than revolution. All those going on about the ulterior motives are falling for
a ploy planted by a murderous dictator. Frankly,I hope that a UN victory here will grant them more power. Long live the Libyan opposition and long live the United Nations!
a ploy planted by a murderous dictator. Frankly,I hope that a UN victory here will grant them more power. Long live the Libyan opposition and long live the United Nations!
You what? The entire UN is after oil bargaining power? Which one of us will get the better deal!?
We the English, and the Americans both had really nice oil deals with Gadaffi, if we just wanted our oil we'd let him murder the protesters regain power and all would go back to normal.
Gadaffi has been paying off the member nations of the UN for decades now so a blind eye will be turned to his dictatorship. Now thanks to the power of public knowledge the governments cannot ignore public sentiment and must step in to protect those being murdered by him.
We the English, and the Americans both had really nice oil deals with Gadaffi, if we just wanted our oil we'd let him murder the protesters regain power and all would go back to normal.
Gadaffi has been paying off the member nations of the UN for decades now so a blind eye will be turned to his dictatorship. Now thanks to the power of public knowledge the governments cannot ignore public sentiment and must step in to protect those being murdered by him.
Actually, I just got my daily newspaper. The title headline? "Cease-fire declared: After U.N. vote, Libya agrees to cease military operations." So, even if war had been declared (which it hadn't, Libyan airspace was declared a no-fly zone and "all necessary measures" were authorized to prevent Krazy Kadaffi from killing his own people), it took less than a day for it to be over.
If there wasn't oil I don't think UN would have taken such a strong stance, but really they want Gaddafi out of power more than anything.MelasZepheos said:
In a way, but it was more from US support of afghan locals during Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan.godfist88 said:
I am for the No fly zone, I wish UN would take a stand with more countries besides one with valuable resources. Any chance to remove a despot from power is a good thing and to protect Libyan people from a man who use such extreme measures on the people who he should be protecting is just plain wrong.
One last thing people did want to get on the side of the south in the US civil war, but supporting a slave nation was very difficult for the countries who have banned slavery to do. It would have been like if the UN sided with Gaddafi in this scenario.