Poll: Do PC gamers have an image problem?
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Yea it';d basically be asking for a burglary wouldn't it?Techno Squidgy said:No more than I am. Who knows, maybe the PC gamers and the console gamers will find some common ground in hating us?Daystar Clarion said:My PC has red LED fans with 3 speed settings.
Fuck your consoles
Joking aside, I have consoles and a gaming PC.
Am I a hybrid that will bring about the end of days?
Perhaps we should! Only we'd probably all get robbed.SkarKrow said:
But splitscreen is the best thing about consoles! What plebs!
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I don't think that anyone really cares what machine others use to get their gaming kick and instead just mouth off on the internet as something to do. Some people just get bored and say stupid shit on the internet to get a reaction.
PC gamers don't have an image problem, in fact most don't really give a shit what everyone else thinks as long as they're having fun.
Though if you mean image problems in terms of vanity... then maybe. There are some pretty extreme case mods about and some of them are bloody expensive.
Saw a steampunk styled case once, many years ago. I still lust after it to this day...
I know I love my splitscreen, it's the main way my PS3 gets used at the moment, the splitscreen multiplayer capacity. Some of the best lulz one can have are playing Modern Warfare 2 in splitscreen 1 vs 1 with only knives and throwing knives allowed. Such rage can be created.
I think that that kind of image problem is fine, it's a hobby, the big problem is the shouty ones that go on forums and declare their format objectively superior in every possible way because of lol numbers. Consoles have asshats like that too.
Yeah... erm...
Let's have a look at what else google thinks:
"Console Gamers are... stupid/retards/not real gamers"
Ok, that's... to be expected.
"Teachers are Lazy"
"Scientists are stupid/wrong/evil"?!
"Soldiers are pawns/not heros"
"Doctors are dangerous/useless/stupid"
"Adults are useless/obsolete children/the real monsters"
"Capitalists are evil/parasites/psychopaths/stupid"
"Socialists are evil/lazy/hypocrites/stupid"
...yeeeeeeeeeeeeah.... I'll stop going to google autosearch for my opinion now.
Let's have a look at what else google thinks:
"Console Gamers are... stupid/retards/not real gamers"
Ok, that's... to be expected.
"Teachers are Lazy"
"Scientists are stupid/wrong/evil"?!
"Soldiers are pawns/not heros"
"Doctors are dangerous/useless/stupid"
"Adults are useless/obsolete children/the real monsters"
"Capitalists are evil/parasites/psychopaths/stupid"
"Socialists are evil/lazy/hypocrites/stupid"
...yeeeeeeeeeeeeah.... I'll stop going to google autosearch for my opinion now.
Nah man, not 1v1 blades only, 4 player free for all. Why make 1, maybe 2 people mad, when you can have 4 people foaming at the mouth, sitting within easy striking distance of each other?SkarKrow said:Yea it';d basically be asking for a burglary wouldn't it?
I know I love my splitscreen, it's the main way my PS3 gets used at the moment, the splitscreen multiplayer capacity. Some of the best lulz one can have are playing Modern Warfare 2 in splitscreen 1 vs 1 with only knives and throwing knives allowed. Such rage can be created.
I think that that kind of image problem is fine, it's a hobby, the big problem is the shouty ones that go on forums and declare their format objectively superior in every possible way because of lol numbers. Consoles have asshats like that too.
One such party ended up looking like the most violent game of twister ever. It was mostly play fighting so no one got seriously hurt. Well apart from my mate's pride after I killed him with a particularly dicey ricochet, then put him in a headlock and noogied him when he went for me.
No. For the creation of better games. Those are the stakes. If you want video games to be better, the more people using PCs the better they will be.Jazoni89 said:
Eg. among other things developing for a console requires you to buy licenses which cost money that could be instead have been funneled back into the creation of the actual game. Developing a game for the PC is free.
I don't think there is a problem with our image. It all comes down to preference. I am used to playing with a keyboard and mouse and love the genres that mostly come out and work best on PC: Space sims, godgames, adventures, RTSs and RPGs.
Racing games, shooters and sports games are genres that work better on consoles. I don't like playing that kind of games, so I don't mind.
I also love the tweaking with my PC and the fact I can easily upgrade it.
That doesn't mean I look down on people that love to play on other platforms, it's just my preference to play on the computer.
Racing games, shooters and sports games are genres that work better on consoles. I don't like playing that kind of games, so I don't mind.
I also love the tweaking with my PC and the fact I can easily upgrade it.
That doesn't mean I look down on people that love to play on other platforms, it's just my preference to play on the computer.
When will people understand that PC gamers don't look down on consoles because they are "inferior" hardware-wise. Why should any self-respecting PC gamer CARE about the hardware of some $300 toaster that is either already outdated on release, or going to spend 95% of it's lifetime outdated? Most people already understand that the entire purpose of a console is to be simple, user-friendly and last a long time.
Consoles have no impact on PC's - oh wait, I am dreaming, because unfortunately they DO have an impact and that impact is almost always negative. Again it's not because of inferior hardware, it's because of negative influence.
Where to start, where to start...how about shoddy PC ports? Some say "be thankful you are getting a port at all!" but a badly-done port is even more insulting than no port at all, I can say that right now. The overwhelming majority of games available on PC's are simply an afterthought. You can say that since console sales make up the majority and piracy is quite rampant on PC so a lot of devs don't really put any effort into PC ports...but in the end the PC gamer is the one who has to eat shit, isn't it? Really basic stuff like Field of View and graphics settings are forgotten about.
Console games also tend to be a lot more linear and simplistic, for the most part they are responsible for AAA games becoming sight-seeing tours or QTE-fests. They can also be somewhat held responsible for the stagnation of franchises and endless sequels/remakes because the crowd seems to gobble-up anything that is thrown out to them, they make up the majority of sales and are therefore responsible for encouraging horrendous business practices from the likes of EA.
Then there's the ignorant side of console players, the side which thinks their console is the best, the exclusive games to their favorite platform are immune to criticism, etc you know the really childish side. The fact that Call Of Duty and Halo are typically flooded by 13-year-olds doesn't really help the image of console gamers, often portraying a really immature picture. I know it is more of stereotype than anything, but even stereotypes old a hint of truth. The list goes on and on.
However I have hopes that PS4/720 will begin to change all that.
Consoles have no impact on PC's - oh wait, I am dreaming, because unfortunately they DO have an impact and that impact is almost always negative. Again it's not because of inferior hardware, it's because of negative influence.
Where to start, where to start...how about shoddy PC ports? Some say "be thankful you are getting a port at all!" but a badly-done port is even more insulting than no port at all, I can say that right now. The overwhelming majority of games available on PC's are simply an afterthought. You can say that since console sales make up the majority and piracy is quite rampant on PC so a lot of devs don't really put any effort into PC ports...but in the end the PC gamer is the one who has to eat shit, isn't it? Really basic stuff like Field of View and graphics settings are forgotten about.
Console games also tend to be a lot more linear and simplistic, for the most part they are responsible for AAA games becoming sight-seeing tours or QTE-fests. They can also be somewhat held responsible for the stagnation of franchises and endless sequels/remakes because the crowd seems to gobble-up anything that is thrown out to them, they make up the majority of sales and are therefore responsible for encouraging horrendous business practices from the likes of EA.
Then there's the ignorant side of console players, the side which thinks their console is the best, the exclusive games to their favorite platform are immune to criticism, etc you know the really childish side. The fact that Call Of Duty and Halo are typically flooded by 13-year-olds doesn't really help the image of console gamers, often portraying a really immature picture. I know it is more of stereotype than anything, but even stereotypes old a hint of truth. The list goes on and on.
However I have hopes that PS4/720 will begin to change all that.
I suppose I would label myself as a PC gamer, but I own an xbox 360 too and I'm content with switching between the two. I'm not sure whether it's the types of games I play, but I've always found PC gamers to be pleasant to play against online, and genres such as MMOs you get a sense of comradery in the community, else you promptly get ostracized. Battlefield is a good example too; playing it on Xbox I found a lot of people shouting at others until I muted Live chat, but on PC people were very mature, and only talked if they wanted to discuss tactics and help the team win. This probably isn't in general, just my own experience. And I've heard how it is with games like LoL...
Consoles are great for co-op (Borderlands is great with friends round) and cheaper without having to upgrade. PCs have cheaper prices for games (steam sales are great!), normally have the option for both mouse + keyboard and controller, and with decent hardware has better performance. I think we can all agree on these right?
Consoles are great for co-op (Borderlands is great with friends round) and cheaper without having to upgrade. PCs have cheaper prices for games (steam sales are great!), normally have the option for both mouse + keyboard and controller, and with decent hardware has better performance. I think we can all agree on these right?
No, we consciously know that the PC is the superior gaming platform in terms of raw power and quality and most of us are willing to rub it in the face of the console gamers. This generation and the last generation of consoles did wonders for the industry, they brought it into the limelight and it became quite common to have a console. Sadly this also meant diluting the market and taking once complex games and simplifying them to not only work on consoles but to appeal to casual gamers.JokerboyJordan said:
Since PC gamers tend to be the kind of gamer that wants a complex game, though even that's slowly disappearing, consoles are kind of a negative, at least this gen is. The last generation maintained the complexity and depth of games but this one butchered it.
Doubt it. Your more the majority then the minority lol.Daystar Clarion said:My PC has red LED fans with 3 speed settings.
Fuck your consoles
Joking aside, I have consoles and a gaming PC.
Am I a hybrid that will bring about the end of days?
Can't have any image problem if only talk to other PC Gamers
On a serious note. I can't say I have an image problem. If people want to hate PC gamers, let them. We know why we game on PCs. Most of us know what its like to game on consoles. We can make an educated and informed decision for ourselves, what they think shouldn't matter.
And I call bullshit on that parallel.Zac Jovanovic said:
Different platforms in gaming, actually reflect different tastes and temperaments, just like the preference of different genres, mediums, ideologies, and hobbies does.
People don't just " blindly" defend whatever platform they just "happen to" own, but actually own platforms based on what values they prefer in gaming. Accessibility, and customization, blockbuster and niche, reflex-based skills and tactical/organizational skills, fun vs. challenge vs. creativity vs. art, etc.
The idea that different sub-groups in gaming don't matter at all, that "first of all we are all gamers", is one of the most harmful ideas that have infected gaming culture, stiffling discussion of these different paradigms with a misapplied usage of "tolerance" and "equality" to things that are not really about groups of people hating each other to begin with, but about comparing concepts that we value differently.
When I say "Hungary is better than Romania", I'm actually being a dangerous bigot who is spreading hate against foreign groups of individuals. People have been killed over this, wars have been started over this, and this kind of thinking absoloutely needs to be stiffled with more politically correct attitudes.
When I say "PC is better than consoles", I'm stating a somehow arrogantly worded taste preference in my entertainment media's style and execution. I'm not actually leading up to oppressing any human being, even if you assume that I'm attacking console gamers in it, console gamers are not a historically oppressed minority or a fought enemy that need protection through "tolerance" and "equality". So even if the statement could be somehow more politely worded, discussing the fact that we like different platforms shouldn't be any more taboo than that we like different games and genres.
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I'm not going to lie. A lot of PC gamers can be way, way too elitist.
"PC gaming master race" may be a joke. But there's a worrisome amount of people who seem to mean this sort of thing seriously.
I understand evangelizing the good parts of PC gaming. Such as mods, how easy digital distribution has made PC gaming. How economical PC gaming is. That you don't have to spend more than a console's worth to get a great PC gaming experience. How universal the PC platform is.
But there's a limit. At which is become snobbery. There are plenty of upsides to console gaming. For instance, plenty of genres which still have few games on the system. There's few Japanese RPGs, fighting games, 3D platformers, survival horror games, scrolling shooters, and other genres.
PC gaming will never be "the greatest" or for everyone, until the platform has more diversity outside of indie devs.
"PC gaming master race" may be a joke. But there's a worrisome amount of people who seem to mean this sort of thing seriously.
I understand evangelizing the good parts of PC gaming. Such as mods, how easy digital distribution has made PC gaming. How economical PC gaming is. That you don't have to spend more than a console's worth to get a great PC gaming experience. How universal the PC platform is.
But there's a limit. At which is become snobbery. There are plenty of upsides to console gaming. For instance, plenty of genres which still have few games on the system. There's few Japanese RPGs, fighting games, 3D platformers, survival horror games, scrolling shooters, and other genres.
PC gaming will never be "the greatest" or for everyone, until the platform has more diversity outside of indie devs.
It's just like bronies, or any other large group of people. The only ones that get any attention are the stupid and loud ones and as a result they end up making the rest look bad, when in reality most people don't care or act that way at all.
It's not the stupid group members that make a group look bad (since it's inevitable with any large group of people that there are some bad ones), but those malicious prejudiced outsiders who intentionally decide to encourage certain stereotypes based on that ineviable fact.Blaze the Dragon said:
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Who wants to scrub my back? *wink*
Who wants to scrub my back? *wink*
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OT: I believe this thread has proven that yes, there are almost certainly some PC gamers who perpetuate a negative stereotype about themselves.
Is that an Alienware PC? Because no self respecting Glorious God of Gaming would want one of those within a 50km radius of their home let alone actually owning one.Andy Shandy said:Daystar Clarion said:My PC has red LED fans with 3 speed settings.
Fuck your consoles
Joking aside, I have consoles and a gaming PC.
Am I a hybrid that will bring about the end of days?
Long may the Multi-platform Master Race laugh at the poor single platform peasants
Honestly though, would it not just be so much easier if nobody gave a shit what other people played?
[sub]I think I hope for too much with that statement [/sub]
OT: I don't care if PC gaming has a bad image. Because I don't label myself a gamer and identify myself by it. I love games but I'm the first to admit games and gamers generally tend to suck. I also own all the platforms minus the 360 which I gave away because I never played it. But I did own one at one period, I do miss the controller.
I have an immensely powerful machine that can play any modern game on ultra settings. I guess if I have an image problem it's people thinking I'm too successful because I can afford a luxury item as expensive as a cheap but working pre-owned car?
Joking aside, try typing this: "Console gamers are", you get the same stuff. NightmareExpress also mentioned that above.
As a person who has all consoles and a power pc, the only distinction of perception I'd make between pc gaming is that it's usually just me in a room by myself (instead of on the couch with 3 other friends playing the same game). Sure, I may be talking with people online but that's certainly not the same as being right next to them.
FYI, I prefer playing solo player games on the pc, by far.
Joking aside, try typing this: "Console gamers are", you get the same stuff. NightmareExpress also mentioned that above.
As a person who has all consoles and a power pc, the only distinction of perception I'd make between pc gaming is that it's usually just me in a room by myself (instead of on the couch with 3 other friends playing the same game). Sure, I may be talking with people online but that's certainly not the same as being right next to them.
FYI, I prefer playing solo player games on the pc, by far.