Poll: Do soldiers deserves the title of hero?
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If they don't mind being called a hero sure. I think they deserve the title if they have served but only if they accept it.
I say it certainly puts you in the position to do heroic things, but I don't think it, by default, makes you a hero. Now I believe that the soldiers who do deserve that title are the ones that die in combat (without atrocities and other crimes during their tour), or survive and are honorably discharged or retire. I don't know the names, but I wouldn't call the group of soldiers that raped and murdered a 15 year old girl along with her family deserve that title, despite wearing the uniform.
Being a soldier does not prevent you from becoming a hero, although enlisting doesn't make you one automatically.
I really get sick of all the anti-military groups like this. The soldiers doing the fighting obviously get enough shit from the enemy, you don't have to help out. Higher ups that call the shots, they don't necesarily apply.
I really get sick of all the anti-military groups like this. The soldiers doing the fighting obviously get enough shit from the enemy, you don't have to help out. Higher ups that call the shots, they don't necesarily apply.
First of all, a group like that really shouldn't exist. Even if it is the result of dirty politics, these men and women are risking their lives. The least you can do is be nice to them.
And while I'm certainly not rushing to sign up for the group, I have to admit that they're right in some sense. Becoming a solider doesn't necessarily make you a hero. Being a soldier does.
And while I'm certainly not rushing to sign up for the group, I have to admit that they're right in some sense. Becoming a solider doesn't necessarily make you a hero. Being a soldier does.
I'd say to sign up to the military takes a decent COD K/D courage, not enough to make you a hero but still, if you go into war and fight, yeah I'd say that you're a hero. (Keeping in mind that I've never enlisted though). But when it comes to conscription, that's a whole different thing.
No, as an American with two military parents, soldier doesn't get the automatic requirement as hero.
"Soldier", like "Cop", and many other terms is just a job on its own. You join, you do work for your government, and get paid money in turn. It doesn't always involve killing, and it doesn't always involve being heroic.
Hero is a label for individuals. Soldiers can be heros. Joining a standing army doesn't automatically make you a hero though. Like cops, soldiers are given higher authority and more responsibility/ control over life and death in a situation than the ordinary citizen. So when they abuse their power (police brutality, war crimes), they're more likely to be noticed, because they should be more accountable than the average citizen. This leads to "ACAB" and "Fuck the troops".However, the truth is, they're not above us, they're just in a position above us. They're the same as you and I, only given more power. Statistically every profession has assholes, but since the military and police deal with people more confrontingly and with more authority, they're all painted as assholes the second one screws up.Being in the military or the police does not automatically make you a villain either. Again, it all depends on individual actions.
The military can seem tougher than other jobs and like it should be held to a higher esteem("You ever been in a combat zone!? You gone through basic!?") or that they should shut the fuck up and be twice as disciplined and moral as civilians since they have a responsibility to the people and are on no higher standing ("they MUST be good role models!!", "they serve US not the other way around!" "they're people just like us they shouldn't be able to DO that!"),and those are a matter of perspective. However, it is still just a job at heart. I hate people who go "They're protecting our freedoms Go USA!!" when the soldiers themselves hardly have an idea of why they're over there and nothing is being done in defense of the US or the world, let alone a clear goal. I also hate people who are like "Soldiers are baby killers!!! I hope they die!!" or "I could do a better job than them!" when they haven't been in the same situation or are twisting two or three bad apples as the whole organization.
Soldiers are individuals, with background,family, and history, just like you and I. Some of them are bad, some of them are good, most of them are just doing their fucking job as ordered and keeping the guy next to them alive.
"Soldier", like "Cop", and many other terms is just a job on its own. You join, you do work for your government, and get paid money in turn. It doesn't always involve killing, and it doesn't always involve being heroic.
Hero is a label for individuals. Soldiers can be heros. Joining a standing army doesn't automatically make you a hero though. Like cops, soldiers are given higher authority and more responsibility/ control over life and death in a situation than the ordinary citizen. So when they abuse their power (police brutality, war crimes), they're more likely to be noticed, because they should be more accountable than the average citizen. This leads to "ACAB" and "Fuck the troops".However, the truth is, they're not above us, they're just in a position above us. They're the same as you and I, only given more power. Statistically every profession has assholes, but since the military and police deal with people more confrontingly and with more authority, they're all painted as assholes the second one screws up.Being in the military or the police does not automatically make you a villain either. Again, it all depends on individual actions.
The military can seem tougher than other jobs and like it should be held to a higher esteem("You ever been in a combat zone!? You gone through basic!?") or that they should shut the fuck up and be twice as disciplined and moral as civilians since they have a responsibility to the people and are on no higher standing ("they MUST be good role models!!", "they serve US not the other way around!" "they're people just like us they shouldn't be able to DO that!"),and those are a matter of perspective. However, it is still just a job at heart. I hate people who go "They're protecting our freedoms Go USA!!" when the soldiers themselves hardly have an idea of why they're over there and nothing is being done in defense of the US or the world, let alone a clear goal. I also hate people who are like "Soldiers are baby killers!!! I hope they die!!" or "I could do a better job than them!" when they haven't been in the same situation or are twisting two or three bad apples as the whole organization.
Soldiers are individuals, with background,family, and history, just like you and I. Some of them are bad, some of them are good, most of them are just doing their fucking job as ordered and keeping the guy next to them alive.
The term "hero" is tossed around far too freely these days, in some sort of ploy to make the enlisted feel "special", when they're not. (In much the same way as the handicapped are pandered to these days.)
The title of "hero" is reserved for those who go beyond simply "serving", to actually accomplish something noteworthy.
The title of "hero" is reserved for those who go beyond simply "serving", to actually accomplish something noteworthy.
People who put there lives on the line for the sole sake of defending their country (although Iraq and Afghanistan is hardly "defending America")? Of course they deserve to be called heroes.
I have alot of friends in the armed forces and they say the exact same thing which is, when you think about it, one of the wisest quotes of all time.Kortney said:
People that live through many wars are still not heroes. They are survivors.
People that join the army because they want to are idiotic, in my opinion. You know there's a chance you're going to get shot and that you're going to kill someone. You're a murderer, not a martyr.
People that join the army because they want to are idiotic, in my opinion. You know there's a chance you're going to get shot and that you're going to kill someone. You're a murderer, not a martyr.