Poll: Do soldiers deserves the title of hero?

[Marik2]

Well any soldier who is brave enough to go to a battlefield is a hero in my book.

 

[Shadowfaze]

They get shot at, they watch thier buddies get killed. They should at least get something, because the average soldiers wage is pretty bad.

 

[awsome117]

People that live through many wars are still not heroes. They are survivors.

People that join the army because they want to are idiotic, in my opinion. You know there's a chance you're going to get shot and that you're going to kill someone. You're a murderer, not a martyr.

Joining to fight a cause you believe in is idiotic? What about those who join protests? Those that do it for something they believe is right. Now, the opinion of right and wrong may differ, and sometimes a little "education" (couldn't think of a better word) may be needed, but saying a cause they are will to die for is idiotic? I believe that is ignorant.

 

[RelexCryo]

People that live through many wars are still not heroes. They are survivors.

People that join the army because they want to are idiotic, in my opinion. You know there's a chance you're going to get shot and that you're going to kill someone. You're a murderer, not a martyr.

The soldiers who fought for the Union in the Civil War of America freed the slaves. Were they just murderers? The Soldiers who fought in World War 2 ended the mass salughter of the Chinese at the hands of the Japanese (30 million Chinese were killed before the Allies stopped Japan.) Were they "just" murderers? The Soldiers who fought Hitler and Mussolini ended the slavery and murder of innocent people. Were they "just" murderers?

Killing and Murder are not the same thing. The difference is justification. Killing to save innocent people from evil bastards is not wrong.

 

[awsome117]

No group unanimously deserves the title of hero (except, perhaps, "hero"), least of all a group whose job it is to kill people. I am morally opposed to war in general, and I can not think of a single war which could be labelled "necessary". Especially not the current one. While there are definitely individuals in the current war whose exploits could be described as heroic, I would under no circumstances consider someone a hero simply by virtue of them being in the military. My old high school's motto, gesta non verba, deeds, not words, applies here. Being a soldier does not make you a hero. Performing heroic deeds makes you a hero. For that, one doesn't have to be in the army.

in my opinion you cant be a hero if you kill people. the only heros are those that do heroic actions but never kill. the only military people i can think of like that are medics

Even if they save your life in the process?

 

[Jekken6]

If they do something heroic,then they deserve to be called heroes.

 

[orangebandguy]

People like that really puzzle me, they assume they know everything. It's not like they were there. It's a bunch of people on Facebook.

Not every soldier is hero by default but that doesn't mean they can't become one. They still have to brave war, and face death.

Those people haven't fought, they know nothing about it. They really should stay out of things that don't concern them.

there is no need to fight and kill people. they choose to wear that uniform. there is no good reason to join the army

Well, I'm meaning to defend the soldiers themselves, people attacking them personally rather than the governements who send them to fight? It seems wrong to blame soldiers rather than the people who actually have the power to unleash them.

And besides, for some the army can provide everything they need to live comfortably and the army look after their own. The army can be a better option than minimum wage unskilled worker.

privates earn approx. 10,000 a year

Bearing in mind their accomodation and food are all sorted for them. And besides this is going off the point.

 

[awsome117]

People that live through many wars are still not heroes. They are survivors.

People that join the army because they want to are idiotic, in my opinion. You know there's a chance you're going to get shot and that you're going to kill someone. You're a murderer, not a martyr.

The soldiers who fought for the Union in the Civil War of America freed the slaves. Were they just murderers? The Soldiers who fought in World War 2 ended the mass salughter of the Chinese at the hands of the Japanese (30 million Chinese were killed before the Allies stopped Japan.) Were they "just" murderers? The Soldiers who fought Hitler and Mussolini ended the slavery and murder of innocent people. Were they "just" murderers?

Killing and Murder are not the same thing. The difference is justification. Killing to save innocent people from evil bastards is not wrong.

Just to point out, the whole "freeing the slaves" thing, wasn't the major point of the war. In fact, even in the Union, blacks received less pay and training than white personal.
Sorry, I'm a history nut.

 

[ohuvi]

I believe that anyone who is willing to risk their lives for a good cause can be called a hero

but what is a good cause? "good" is nothing bu an ideal. the people in iraq see americans as evil because they invaded them for no reason.

That is true, i meant "good" as in universally good. Like a hero in almost everyone's eyes.

 

[awsome117]

No group unanimously deserves the title of hero (except, perhaps, "hero"), least of all a group whose job it is to kill people. I am morally opposed to war in general, and I can not think of a single war which could be labelled "necessary". Especially not the current one. While there are definitely individuals in the current war whose exploits could be described as heroic, I would under no circumstances consider someone a hero simply by virtue of them being in the military. My old high school's motto, gesta non verba, deeds, not words, applies here. Being a soldier does not make you a hero. Performing heroic deeds makes you a hero. For that, one doesn't have to be in the army.

in my opinion you cant be a hero if you kill people. the only heros are those that do heroic actions but never kill. the only military people i can think of like that are medics

Even if they save your life in the process?

how many would they have to kill to save yours?

As many as it takes. Then again, I'm looking at it realistically, so I'm may have said that in a way I didn't want to.

 

[orangebandguy]

People like that really puzzle me, they assume they know everything. It's not like they were there. It's a bunch of people on Facebook.

Not every soldier is hero by default but that doesn't mean they can't become one. They still have to brave war, and face death.

Those people haven't fought, they know nothing about it. They really should stay out of things that don't concern them.

there is no need to fight and kill people. they choose to wear that uniform. there is no good reason to join the army

Well, I'm meaning to defend the soldiers themselves, people attacking them personally rather than the governements who send them to fight? It seems wrong to blame soldiers rather than the people who actually have the power to unleash them.

And besides, for some the army can provide everything they need to live comfortably and the army look after their own. The army can be a better option than minimum wage unskilled worker.

privates earn approx. 10,000 a year

Bearing in mind their accomodation and food are all sorted for them. And besides this is going off the point.

all im saying is there is no reason for any military to go into another country and kill people. must i say iraq?

Well that's why I blame the government, who only really want the oil reserves and most likely used the WMDs as a cheap excuse to get manpower over there.

 

[Cortheya]

Anyone who will sacrifice for others is a hero. Period. Regardless of your opinion of the war, at least respect those who are fighting it.

 

[HT_Black]

Let's apply simple logic here:

Would you say Deadpool is a hero?
Would you say The Punisher is a hero?
Would you say that any of the TF2 cast are heroes?
What about Altair?
Or Rambo?
Or John Mclane?
Or Eragon?

Bottom line, if you kill people, you're not a hero. We say it in the media, and we said it about Hitler and Jihaddists and the 9/11 hijackers. How many people overseas do you think count Al Quaeda's suicide bombers as heroes? Or how many 1940-era Germans thought that about the Nazi invaders?

Just becasue you're fighting under the American banner, murder isn't condonable or heroic.

So I'll ask you that question again:

Are paid gunmen heroes? Are soldiers heroes?

 

[FinalHeart95]

Listen to Hero of War by Rise Against. Or, if they make your ears bleed, look up the lyrics. May be a little dramatic, but it brings up a valid point. I agree that soldiers should not UNCONDITIONALLY be called heroes. Some can do some messed up things over wherever they may be (Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.).

HOWEVER, they're probably scared shitless. And I can't blame them. They're courageous for being able to make it through that fear. However, courageous =/= hero.

Would it be worthwhile to mention that this unconditional patriotism is making me gag? Being a patriot is nice and all, but because that unconditionally support whatever America does, no matter how stupid, annoy me.