Poll: Do you agree with the Black Ops Swastika Ban?

[slipknot4]

I find it hard to take you seriously when you're trying to accuse of being wrong and alone in associating the Swastika with the Nazi party.

I'm not debating this any longer. If you fail to see the connection between the Swastika and fucking Nazis then I'm afraid you are delusional.

I'm not trying to accuse you of anything. Thing is. I've read allot about it, I seen allot of things and I've heard allot of tales.
Sure, it was a catastrophe and all that about, I can't say that I care that much about it anymore.
It was after all 70 years ago. I associate the Swastika with religion in the same way that i associate the "holy" cross with JusTicE [http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_pcipcC5wN8A/RtcCv8V-MOI/AAAAAAAAAko/WozpYdKKXRQ/s400/Justice%2B2.jpg]

By the way, I mean no offence, but. It's a matter of perspective. Sorry if I sounded harsh.

 

[Srdjan]

So what if Nazis killed many people, British Empire killed more for certain, should they ban any form of British flag? Communist China and USSR killed way more people than Nazi Germany so they should ban stars, hammers, sickles and everything red? You know who else killed many people, Catholic church, should they ban crosses?

Why all that hate on Germany, they lost war so what we shouldn't blame them for every fucking thing that is gone wrong. US killed bunch civilians in Vietnam, Afghanistan, Honduras and Korea, but no one blames them, sure they did it for democracy but I'm preety sure that Nazis had excusses too.

Bring swastikas back! And also because of the buddhist people, they are nice, peaseful people not like other fanatic bastards.

 

[slipknot4]

The word "swastika" comes from the Sanskrit svastika - "su" meaning "good," "asti" meaning "to be," and "ka" as a suffix.

Until the Nazis used this symbol, the swastika was used by many cultures throughout the past 3,000 years to represent life, sun, power, strength, and good luck.

Even in the early twentieth century, the swastika was still a symbol with positive connotations. For instance, the swastika was a common decoration that often adorned cigarette cases, postcards, coins, and buildings. During World War I, the swastika could even be found on the shoulder patches of the American 45th Division and on the Finnish air force until after World War II.

Personally, There is nothing wrong with using it as a symbol. Its not even Jewish people who are offended. Its nonconvertible people who have not experienced the world.. and so be it, thus is life itself.

I'm Jewish and I really don't care, Free speech is more important then a symbol.

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[AnAngryMoose]

I'd rather they ban penises.

Seriously, like half the times I get killed, I look at the person's emblem, and BAM, it's a penis. It's really starting to get annoying.

On the other hand, I only saw like 3 swastikas total, and one of them was green and gold, and backward, so I'm pretty sure it wasn't trying to be all neo-nazi.

Also, what about all of the bestiality emblems? They going to do anything about those?

Seriously, you can't sensor just one small thing. They should either have gone for the full enchilada and censored anything anyone could possibly think was offensive, or just left it all alone.

It's almost as bad as getting killed by people with the 'High Command' Callsign and Hash leaf emblem to try make them seem edgy, cool and badass. Fuckin' idiots.

 

[AnAngryMoose]

So what if Nazis killed many people, British Empire killed more for certain, should they ban any form of British flag? Communist China and USSR killed way more people than Nazi Germany so they should ban stars, hammers, sickles and everything red? You know who else killed many people, Catholic church, should they ban crosses?

Why all that hate on Germany, they lost war so what we shouldn't blame them for every fucking thing that is gone wrong. US killed bunch civilians in Vietnam, Afghanistan, Honduras and Korea, but no one blames them, sure they did it for democracy but I'm preety sure that Nazis had excusses too.

Bring swastikas back! And also because of the buddhist people, they are nice, peaseful people not like other fanatic bastards.

This. Quoted for truth

Crusades anyone? Hellloo? USSR: Stalin killed 120 million IIRC, most of whom were innocents and it was all to maintain power.

 

[Woodsey]

There is no reason for someone to want to have a swastika on display on whatever an emblem is in the game, so yes I agree.

The religious thing is irrelevant; it is recognised as a Nazi symbol now, and whilst that's unfair, that's the way the cookie crumbles.

 

[Yagharek]

No, it's called free speech, bitches.

While that is arguable, Microsoft owns XBL and are thus those who make the rules on it. I don't think free speech can/should be implemented when we're talking things that are privately owned.

end of story. your freedoms are not being impacted here. you agree to terms and conditions set forth by the owner of the product.

deal with that or quit.

Our freedoms aren't being impacted upon true. But that doesn't mean that people shouldn't be allowed to point out to the developers that what they are doing shows a huge double standard, and is considerably more offensive than the people using the symbol were being? After all, they are essentially saying that it deserves censored but no other symbol. That's not good. If no one pointed out such things, why would they improve?

 

[Octorok]

I find it hard to take you seriously when you're trying to accuse of being wrong and alone in associating the Swastika with the Nazi party.

I'm not debating this any longer. If you fail to see the connection between the Swastika and fucking Nazis then I'm afraid you are delusional.

I'm not trying to accuse you of anything. Thing is. I've read allot about it, I seen allot of things and I've heard allot of tales.
Sure, it was a catastrophe and all that about, I can't say that I care that much about it anymore.
It was after all 70 years ago. I associate the Swastika with religion in the same way that i associate the "holy" cross with JusTicE [http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_pcipcC5wN8A/RtcCv8V-MOI/AAAAAAAAAko/WozpYdKKXRQ/s400/Justice%2B2.jpg]

By the way, I mean no offence, but. It's a matter of perspective. Sorry if I sounded harsh.

Likewise, on the offence thing. The fact that it was only 70 years ago makes little to no difference. People are still living to remember it. People still living recall their parents dying in a war caused by a terrible and dominating regime.

It was such a world-changing, cataclysmic, scarring event that it must be remembered with the full emotions of those in the late 40s. Tens of millions died so that one of the few arguably "evil" dictators in history could be stopped from eliminating an entire race in brutal oppression.

I'm not saying that we ought to be remembering open wounds. Just that the fact that we never saw the Swastika fly in no way lessens its meaning. Its warning. History must not be allowed to repeat itself.

And anyway, the people who get bans for using it are, bluntly, cunts who deserve a slap to the back of the head.

 

[Snotnarok]

I really don't think they should be banning period. The icon is your artwork and that's kiiiinda free speech and I've always thought censoring is bullshit no matter how you put it.

These people aren't exactly nazis ...if they are their life is pitiful enough.

 

[Sporky111]

If you ban the swastika, then you also have to ban the hammer and sickle, no if's, ands or buts. Double standards much?

Double standard, how? The swastika was the symbol of a genocidal regime. The hammer and sickle is a symbol of Russian Communism.

Yes, I'm aware of the atrocities committed in Soviet Russia, especially during Stalin's term of power. But the Hammer and Sickle doesn't have the world-wide impact of the swastika.

That being said, I don't see the big deal with the ban. Yeah, people could be getting past it by now. But then again, why is it so important for people to be able to put that up? Especially when they will automatically be associated with Nazis by doing so.

 

[Sun Flash]

That's like if you executed literally everyone in the United Kingdom, and then the population of Scotland once again.

Aw what? I'm getting spawn killed? boooo.

OT: The emblems in games are just the 21st Century equivalent of carving stuff into school desks. Thus you can all but guarantee everyone using swastikas are 13 year olds thinking they are so awesome and inventive and will be hailed Chief Anonymous, king of /b/.

Pretty much the same reason they draw all the dicks, which should be stamped down on too.

so yeah, I agree with it.

 

[HigherTomorrow]

All the people calling bias against Hindus and Buddhists are ridiculous. 99/100 situations the swastika emblem (especially the ones that, you know, use black-white and red; i.e, 90% of them) is used to represent the Nazi Party for the sole reason of pissing off people.

Also, the screams of "Freedom of speech" do not apply here. You can not be punished for what you say by the government, but private services can. Which is why public obscenities is a citation.

 

[Ghostkai]

I report every BNP, swastika, penis, or any other vulgarity I see. Because in most cases, it's only there to troll and offend. Thankfully, Treyarch were nice enough to include a "report offensive emblem" button.

 

[Cuppa Tetleys]

The reason I said yes wasn't particularly because it is a swastika, but because of the guy's resolve and determination to ban it. Most companies do things like ban offensive symbols when they crumble under pressure by the media or consumers to do so - this is the man's solid, unwavering decision that he has thought about and, for him, it's a flat-out no. And I respect that.

 

[FlashHero]

I don't agree with it..to me it seems like they are trying to cover it up like it never happened...and that would be wrong to all the people that died.

 

[bob1052]

People who say anything about free speech in regards to this ban clearly don't understand free speech. On Xbox live there is no free speech, there is only what Microsoft allows.

I don't agree with it..to me it seems like they are trying to cover it up like it never happened...and that would be wrong to all the people that died.

How are they trying to cover it up? People are trying to put a swastika on their weapons and make it pop up on others screens in a game about war, they are not treading on grounds of historical and respectful recognition, they are just trying to stop people who are trying to use it to troll others with very sensitive material.

 

[TOTL_UNIALAYSHUN]

Yes, I agree with it. I mean, it's not like when you'd see it in a textbook or anything, for example, where it's just in a picture. It's something you can CHOOSE to display. It doesn't matter if they weren't trying to cause any problems or if they didn't have bad intentions, it's disgraceful and inappropriate.

 

[Yagharek]

If you ban the swastika, then you also have to ban the hammer and sickle, no if's, ands or buts. Double standards much?

Double standard, how? The swastika was the symbol of a genocidal regime. The hammer and sickle is a symbol of Russian Communism.

Yes, I'm aware of the atrocities committed in Soviet Russia, especially during Stalin's term of power. But the Hammer and Sickle doesn't have the world-wide impact of the swastika.

That being said, I don't see the big deal with the ban. Yeah, people could be getting past it by now. But then again, why is it so important for people to be able to put that up? Especially when they will automatically be associated with Nazis by doing so.

Stalins attrocities were focused much more internally, rather than internationally. It may not have such a global impact, but that's mainly, in my opinion, down to a bias in our teaching-we are taught much more about world war two than about the attrocities committed under the rule of stalin, in the west, because it affected our countries much more directly.

That does not stop the hammer and sickle being a symbol associated with oppression and horror, just that is does not seem to be so greatly in the west, as opposed to the swastika. Without having lived in the areas that would have been affected by Stalins rule, I can't comment on if it is, but it is far more likely to be than it is here.

There should either be no censorship or no emblems. The line drawn can only be arbitrary, and as such is likely to cause offense. A set list would be a decent compromise, since they could make them inoffensive as possible, and easily remove them if necessary.