Poll: Do you believe humans are apes?

[diasravenguard]

I do not believe that humans are apes because I do not believe in evolution. I am Catholic so that is why I do not believe any of it.

So, because you believe that Jesus died for our sins, you believe that man did not descend from apes, thus causing men of science to classify ourselves under "great ape?" Despite the mountains of genetic evidence, behavioral evidence, and the fact that they just look almost EXACTLY like us (compared to all other forms of life) you choose to believe that God made us in his own image?

I it seems more likely that man made the image of God in HIS own likeness. That man could ever know the "face" or "shape" of God is ridiculous. The image we all hold so dear of God as a bearded, robed man among the clouds was just a carry-over from Zeus or Jupiter imagery in order to make the conversion process easier on the pagans.

Certainly eventually it wouldn't matter what God looked like so long as they were worshiping the one true God, right?

Or perhaps you take the Adam and Eve metaphor literally because your creed demands it. Either inbreeding did not cause infant death within 3 generations back then, or it's not literally true.

Besides, that was in the Torah first, and the Jewish people don't claim to take it literally. I would trust their interpretation before a faith based more on the New Testament.

Believe what you will, but understand that the diversity of life makes a LOT more sense if you look at it from an evolutionary standpoint. Intelligence such as ours could have come in any shape imaginable, and likely has among the stars. Didn't you hear? The Pope said it's okay to believe in aliens now.

I do not believe a lot of the scientific theories that scientists came up with, they are all liberal pigs. I believe that humans have always been human. I also do believe in the story of Adam and Eve. Humans also have the same all the same bones of a horse and the same organs of a pig, but I doubt you believe that humans evolved from those animals; also the theory of the big bang is all false too.

Do you have health insurance? Cause your bible says to pray while on your sickbed and that you will be healed. If ya got health insurance you don't believe all of the bible...

It does not say it anywhere in the Bible that if you pray for someone it will heal them, we pray to give hope to the people that are sick to let them know that God is watching him or her so if they do die they could go to Heaven. I do not know where you have heard that story from.

Are you insane James 5:15, where the Bible says:

And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well; the Lord will raise him up.

You took the quote to literally, the quote means that when someone dies and people are praying for them, they will most likely go to heaven and your soul will be well. When he says the Lord will raise him up means that the person will be raised up in Heaven, my Religion believes when you go to Heaven you are living forever, so technically you are well, again. You took the quote to literally, which is what most of these Christian Religions do.

There's another wording for it that says "The prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well."

If that isn't enough for you how about this line John 14:14

"If you ask anything in my name, I will do it."

You're telling me not to take a work of literature literally? Don't try to put your own spin on things if a line reads "don't touch this button" it doesn't have anything there to make someone think "don't touch this button if you have on a blue shirt" and learn to eat some humble pie every now and then!

Oh and if that wasn't enough here are a few other bits of information related to this for you Matthew 7:7, Matthew 17:20, Matthew 21:21, Mark 11:24, John 14:12-14, Matthew 18:19 and James 5:15-16 as well.

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[diasravenguard]

Essentially we're apes who, over a series of mutations, got smarter and less furry, yes. I don't take this to the idiotic "we're animals, therefore we must be savage and not have any semblance of reason or sophistication" extreme, however.

Nice point although I would say we are more savage than any other species on the planet and the only one with the ability to commit genocide on the scale that we do. Or the xenocides that we continue to do by harvesting the rain forests (not with green-peace just making the point) and both of these are directly related to the level of reason and sophistication we have achieved...

Most guys (like Hitler and Mao) always had a way of reasoning their crimes into doing what was right.

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I disagree. Ants do this kind of thing all over the world, daily.


Humans are apes, it's just that we evolved into a more intelligent animal that, due its intelligence, can adapt to suit many environments. Other apes are suited for their own environment, and their environment didn't require them to become more intellingent and evolve feet and such. That's the difference.

They do commit to war and slavery. They do not purposely hunt down another species or group of a species. They do go after preferred sources of food and labor. But they do not do it with the intent to eliminate that group or species. They have a society as well I was not in any way saying that other species do not have similarities.
I'm just saying we are the best at it. It's not a positive thing but we are generally the best killing machine on the planet all you need to prove it is to fire a nuke...

 

[diasravenguard]

You took the quote to literally, the quote means that when someone dies and people are praying for them, they will most likely go to heaven and your soul will be well. When he says the Lord will raise him up means that the person will be raised up in Heaven, my Religion believes when you go to Heaven you are living forever, so technically you are well, again. You took the quote to literally, which is what most of these Christian Religions do.

If you feel like discussing this further feel free to message me as I would prefer to not turn this into a religious debate (although I admit I have to an extent) let's try to talk about the actual issue of humans being apes and past my last reply put it to private messages please.

 

[RJ Dalton]

It's just a system of classification, which is based almost entirely on physical characteristics. Genetics play into it some, but there are some striking examples of animals that are classified in one group, but are genetically closer to an entirely different one (if I remember correctly, the largest rodent in the world is more genetically similar to elephants than any other rodent).
Humans are humans. If the current scientific model classifies humans as a part of the ape family, it doesn't bother me in the slightest. It only serves a purpose of specificity in discussion and has no actual effect on reality. It's like the phrase "you can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig." Or, in this case "call it what you will, it's still what it is."

 

[Circleseer]

With the story of Adam and Eve, it is true that Adam and Eve had three children, but you apparently did not hear the part where God made other humans afterward, Adam and Eve were just the first humans made.

For the quote about the Horse and Pigs being mammals, Apes are mammals to so they share parts as humans, it does not mean we came from apes. About the animals having the same organs as us, it is true, but many animals have different organs which others do not have.

For the Christians who believe that God formed the earth with the Big Bang apparently are not true Christians because God says that Earth was formed in 6 days, on each day God added more to the planet. I called Liberal pigs because their views negative and I consider them to be dirty in their views, like a pig is dirty when it is in the mud.

I didn't know He made more humans after, thanks for enlightening me.

Again I'd like to stress, we did not come from apes. We had a common ancestor with apes. And even earlier, a common ancestor with most mammals, probably. You can trace it back in genes. Genes are a fact, as much as the sun and the moon.

As for 'true christians', well, they believe what they think is true. Could God ask for anything else? Does God demand you follow something you don't fully believe in?

Finally;
I believe your 'consideration' concerning scientists and their views to be needlessly rude and offensive. Even if you feel it that way, you could've formulated it differently. There is no reason to hurt and insult people. I'm quite sure the bible preaches about respect somewhere.

Again, a reply would be appriciated.

 

[wkrepelin]

No, it's impossible. There are disincentive differences that separate us completely

I don't think that word means what you think that it means.

 

[The Stonker]

I agree with the theory of evolution yes!

 

[diasravenguard]

With the story of Adam and Eve, it is true that Adam and Eve had three children, but you apparently did not hear the part where God made other humans afterward, Adam and Eve were just the first humans made.

For the quote about the Horse and Pigs being mammals, Apes are mammals to so they share parts as humans, it does not mean we came from apes. About the animals having the same organs as us, it is true, but many animals have different organs which others do not have.

For the Christians who believe that God formed the earth with the Big Bang apparently are not true Christians because God says that Earth was formed in 6 days, on each day God added more to the planet. I called Liberal pigs because their views negative and I consider them to be dirty in their views, like a pig is dirty when it is in the mud.

I didn't know He made more humans after, thanks for enlightening me.

Again I'd like to stress, we did not come from apes. We had a common ancestor with apes. And even earlier, a common ancestor with most mammals, probably. You can trace it back in genes. Genes are a fact, as much as the sun and the moon.

As for 'true christians', well, they believe what they think is true. Could God ask for anything else? Does God demand you follow something you don't fully believe in?

Finally;
I believe your 'consideration' concerning scientists and their views to be needlessly rude and offensive. Even if you feel it that way, you could've formulated it differently. There is no reason to hurt and insult people. I'm quite sure the bible preaches about respect somewhere.

Again, a reply would be appriciated.

think you're lookin for the "golden rule"

 

[Chainsaws_of_War_2]

Pretty much I follow the theory of evolution as taught by Mr. Garrison:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OO7NJwwryI

 

[samstewiefisher]

I dont think we are/evolved from apes. I believe the Theory states we had a common ancestor. We are not apes.

 

[Eldarion]

Scientifically speaking humans are apes. Actually we are members of a group of apes known as the "Great Apes"

[Source] http://www.wisegeek.com/what-are-great-apes.htm

But I know there is a lot of argument about wether or not humans are actually apes, because of religious views or what not.

In my opinion humans are just extremely intelligent apes, and science agrees with me, but what do you guys think?

EDIT: Wow, I used the word "apes" quite a lot there.

/There is significant evidence supporting evolution, so yes.

 

[Circleseer]

think you're lookin for the "golden rule"

What is that?

 

[garfoldsomeoneelse]

Yes, I do believe in evolution. I also believe that we are apes. To the religious mind, this can lead one to wonder why we still have monkeys; the simple answer is that they're just as evolved as we are, they just evolved to have different traits to suit their particular environments. Humanity's intelligence is just one of those rare things.

 

[malmodir]

Judged by biological aspects: Yes.

Judged by the general behavior of humans: No! We are sheep.

 

[diasravenguard]

I dont think we are/evolved from apes. I believe the Theory states we had a common ancestor. We are not apes.

apes = classification not species...

greater apes = Hominidae (which we happen to be a part of)

 

[diasravenguard]

think you're lookin for the "golden rule"

What is that?

well it's almost as smart as the silver rule (which is do unto others before they can do unto you) but it's this kind thing that Gandhi talked about liking about Jesus and wondered why Christians didn't follow the same rule.

It's something like "treat others how you want to be treated"

 

[BlumiereBleck]

No, it's impossible. There are disincentive differences that separate us completely

Oh really? So I guess the fact that our DNA differs from most Apes by a mere 2% makes us completely different?

No........ Because we are clearly not....

My sarcasm sense is tingling.

I'm sorry that I believe in something different

 

[Simalacrum]

What? Of course we're apes!

Having a similarity with other animals isn't something we should be ashamed of, afterall