Poll: Do you believe humans are apes?

[Versabane]

Toto, I've a feeling we're not in Kansas any more.

 

[Xanadu84]

First off, naturally, Evolution is right, we evolved from a common ancestor of ape. That reality is clear.

Secondly, the answer can only really be, "If you say they're apes, they're apes". Part of the point of evolution is that species don't spontaneously appear: They change gradually over time. Because of this, a species evolving doesn't turn into a new species until you decide to put down a semi-arbitrary cut-off point. It's kind of like looking at a complete spectrum from white to black, and asking where it goes from light gray to dark gray. Or looking at a non-stop video of a person over the course of several months after they start eating poorly, and being asked to pause the video the second the person becomes overweight. So basically, is thinking of humans as apes more useful then thinking of them as separate? If so, then sure, there apes.

 

[Nannernade]

Yes, I do believe we are a form of ape, when some of those religious nuts are asked that question they immediately think of apes in a zoo, and say oh we don't act like that so we can't be apes, but we clearly are.

 

[Project_Xii]

This thread has restored my faith in humanity. Thank you.

 

[Nannernade]

Speaking for everyone who doesn't believe in evolution (such as myself) No we are not apes. We never were. And we never will be

Just a quick question I've been meaning to ask someone like you please by all means do not take it the wrong way but, if you do not believe in evolution do you believe in the Adam and Eve thing? Because you know that story goes in the direction of family incest and that we'd be hillbillies because everybody would be related to us right?

 

[Dorby5826and360]

I do not believe that humans are apes because I do not believe in evolution. I am Catholic so that is why I do not believe any of it.

I do not believe a lot of the scientific theories that scientists came up with, they are all liberal pigs. I believe that humans have always been human. I also do believe in the story of Adam and Eve. Humans also have the same all the same bones of a horse and the same organs of a pig, but I doubt you believe that humans evolved from those animals; also the theory of the big bang is all false too.

So, humans have always been human? How do you account for the stark differences in the bones of human ancestors? Neanderthal, Homo erectus, and even homo sapiens (modern humans are now classified as Homo sapiens sapiens to distinguish from earlier forms of human). Things change all the time. Watch the seasons change. Watch years pass. Watch people grow old. Watch flu viruses evolve every flu season to keep getting you sick (if it didn't your body's immune system would recognize it and destroy it quickly). Time changes everything and the change of species is no different.

As far as horse bones and pig organs, of course we are going to have similarities to those animals. We are distantly related to these creatures. Mammals all date back to reptile-like creatures about 200 million years ago. ALL life is related. If you want to see some REALLY distantly related creatures look at jellyfish or blueberries. All coded using the same genetic sequences. We even have approximately the same junk DNA (DNA that codes for nothing, leftover from eons of random mutation) as all of these life-forms.

Do not discount the ideas of people who have thought about this for much longer than you with much better equipment, measurements and observations. The evidence for evolution, and by extension, the ape-defined man, is staggering. The modern era of science may make mistakes, like any era, but it corrects them quickly. Evolution is too correct an idea to be replaced by "God did it."

As far as the big bang goes, I guess we'll have to discount the Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation, the expansion of the universe evidenced by galaxies moving away in every direction (faster the further they are), and the observed type and amount of matter in the universe being approximately equal to the estimated amounts put forth by pure theory postulated from a "big bang" event.

Either God put everything in place to seem exactly like evolution and the big bang are true theories (in which case I'd venture to guess that it's in our best interests to act as though they are), or God simply wasn't involved.

Humans have looked the same throughout time, they have never changed or evolved in any way. The bones found that look like humans are just animals that have died of from extinction because of other animals. For people growing old, that is not evolution that is just the body producing new and more cells and the Flu virus evolving that is true it does evolve, the christian religion does not believe in the evolution of anything living and from what you might of heard viruses are not living.

You quoted me saying that animals look like other animals, but I was quoting someone elese on what you are saying and I told them that althought we might look alike there is not and other connection to those other animals, we were just made to look alike. If Evolution existed then all apes would be like us, but they are not.

Apparently you did not know that religion existed since the beginning of earth and science did not come until about a million years later so these scientists can explain things that should never be explained or are already explained, they just are blind in seeing it. For the big bang theory, it is a theory there is almost no evidence that can prove that it has happened. Science is just a cover up for what is the truth, you are just blind to see the truth.

 

[Circleseer]

Speaking for everyone who doesn't believe in evolution (such as myself) No we are not apes. We never were. And we never will be

Just a quick question I've been meaning to ask someone like you please by all means do not take it the wrong way but, if you do not believe in evolution do you believe in the Adam and Eve thing? Because you know that story goes in the direction of family incest and that we'd be hillbillies because everybody would be related to us right?

Someone else just posted that god created more humans after.

I didn't know either.

 

[Dorby5826and360]

Speaking for everyone who doesn't believe in evolution (such as myself) No we are not apes. We never were. And we never will be

Just a quick question I've been meaning to ask someone like you please by all means do not take it the wrong way but, if you do not believe in evolution do you believe in the Adam and Eve thing? Because you know that story goes in the direction of family incest and that we'd be hillbillies because everybody would be related to us right?

As I had said to somebody else before me, you did not hear the whole story of Adam and Eve. Adam and Eve and there children were the first humans, but you did not get the part where God started making more people to populate the earth.

 

[Maze1125]

For the Christians who believe that God formed the earth with the Big Bang apparently are not true Christians because God says that Earth was formed in 6 days, on each day God added more to the planet.

Well, the Pope said that it was fine to believe in humans evolving from ape like creatures.

Who should I believe more on the correct stance of Catholicism? Some random guy on the internet, or the Pope?

 

[Circleseer]

If Evolution existed then all apes would be like us, but they are not.

Apparently you did not know that religion existed since the beginning of earth and science did not come until about a million years later so these scientists can explain things that should never be explained or are already explained, they just are blind in seeing it. For the big bang theory, it is a theory there is almost no evidence that can prove that it has happened. Science is just a cover up for what is the truth, you are just blind to see the truth.

Why would humanity be the apex of evolution? We're no such thing. We're not the best, nor all that special - plenty of species are more succesfull than we are, or more complex.

The first religious texts and images are found in India. They are quite old.

I don't believe you can put an age on science. Science isn't specific like religion, it's more like a method. A scientist is someone who researches using the scientific method, which comes down to repeating something a thousand times, and if the same thing keeps happening, you can probably be sure it always happens that way. Science takes the most logical answer; meaning the easiest and most probable. If you look at it that way, science is as old as thinking humans are.



And would people please stop putting science up versus religion? It's not a battle, it's not two fronts, people. They aren't opposed, so stop making yourselves look silly.

 

[Nautical Honors Society]

But I know there is a lot of argument about wether or not humans are actually apes, because of religious views or what not.

What do you mean by "what not?" I am unaware of any reason to disagree with this other than religious views.

I don't mean anything by "what not". I was just leaving my sentence open-ended.

 

[Nautical Honors Society]

Scientifically speaking humans are apes. Actually we are members of a group of apes known as the "Great Apes"

[Source] http://www.wisegeek.com/what-are-great-apes.htm

But I know there is a lot of argument about wether or not humans are actually apes, because of religious views or what not.

In my opinion humans are just extremely intelligent apes, and science agrees with me, but what do you guys think?

EDIT: Wow, I used the word "apes" quite a lot there.

/There is significant evidence supporting evolution, so yes.

I am not asking about evolution. I am asking if you classify humans the same way you would classify an animal.

 

[diasravenguard]

Speaking for everyone who doesn't believe in evolution (such as myself) No we are not apes. We never were. And we never will be

Just a quick question I've been meaning to ask someone like you please by all means do not take it the wrong way but, if you do not believe in evolution do you believe in the Adam and Eve thing? Because you know that story goes in the direction of family incest and that we'd be hillbillies because everybody would be related to us right?

Someone else just posted that god created more humans after.

I didn't know either.

I wonder if they were talking about that whole exodus thing where the angels came down. (if ya really interested in some weird bible stuff look at that and Lucifer wish I could remember the book it's in...) Even if they did there would need to be a pretty good sized population (1k or so) produced to avoid the inbreeding issue. I don't remember reading about the creation of more people out of thin air just the angel thing.

Anyone know where this info is offhand?

 

[Xocrates]

I am asking if you classify humans the same way you would classify an animal.

What's the difference?

 

[hardlymotivated]

Science is just a cover up for what is the truth, you are just blind to see the truth.

It is because of scientific advancement that you have the ability to type messages to other people across the globe. Science is not conspiratorial, and it is thanks to science that you are alive and well today.

 

[IshFish]

From Wikipedia "An ape is any member of the Hominoidea superfamily of primates, including humans."

 

[Maze1125]

For the big bang theory, it is a theory there is almost no evidence that can prove that it has happened.

Light travels at 299,792,458ms[sup]-1[/sup]. This is finite speed.
Hence, when we look out into the universe, the light we see started often years ago, and the further we look, the older the light. And so we end up seeing events that happened in the past.

If we look far enough, we can see 13 billion years into the past and, in fact, see light from events that took place only moments after singularity expanded.
Or, in laymen's terms, we can look back and see the Big Bang happen.

What more proof is needed than actually seeing it?

 

[Nautical Honors Society]

I am asking if you classify humans the same way you would classify an animal.

What's the difference?

A lot of people believe in evolution, but when you ask them are we animals such as an ape or a snail is an animal some people would say "no".

I am not asking if you believe in evolution I am asking if you think humans are apes. Not the decedents of apes, but apes themselves.

That is the best way I can explain it, I am sorry if it has not answered your question.

 

[DarkRyter]

Guys, I think this Dorby5826and360 fellow might actually be a Templar.

 

[DasUberCow]

I said yes, even though it's a gross over-simplification. I agreed since the question seemed to be "do you believe in evolution" rather than "are we ape's". We are intelligent apes. That's just the group of animals we fit into. If you disagree you are saying we aren't animals - in a human supremacist kind of way, which is wrong.