Poll: Do you believe humans are apes?

[diasravenguard]

Humans are Viruses. Apes Adapt to their Environment and live harmoniously with it. In fact thats what all mammals do. Humans adapt their environment to them. Viruses also do this.

That is not how we classify things as virus or ape.

You could say we're LIKE virusses, instead. It's a big difference.

We could be classified as a macro-virus on one branch and follow down rather than great ape

 

[Circleseer]

Why would humanity be the apex of evolution? We're no such thing. We're not the best, nor all that special - plenty of species are more succesfull than we are, or more complex.

Yes, we are best and "most" successful specie on earth. We are on the top of the foodchain, we dont have natural predators. And Human Brain is the most complex structure in universe as we know it.

That is simply not true. We are at the top of the foodchain, not counting bacteria and virusses, and many parasites. The foodchain is a human invention. It's a thought. Factually speaking, it is not as simple as a foodchain. I could go into the details, but you wouldn't read them anyway.

The brain is not the most complex structure. Also, it is impossible to compare complexity in this manner, since it is relative. There are more complex cells than braincells, and more complex electrical fields than that of the human brain.

Again, succesful is something we made up, plus it's relative. There are no true ways to measure succesfulness, since it does not have a fixed numerical meaning.

 

[diasravenguard]

Why would humanity be the apex of evolution? We're no such thing. We're not the best, nor all that special - plenty of species are more succesfull than we are, or more complex.

Yes, we are best and "most" successful specie on earth. We are on the top of the foodchain, we dont have natural predators. And Human Brain is the most complex structure in universe as we know it.

We aren't actually the most successful species on the planet ants are... We are at the top of the food-chain.
There are more advanced brains than humans one of which is a dolphin. Our brain is very large and very complex I won't argue that but there are parts of the brains used by other creatures that we don't have.

 

[diasravenguard]

Why would humanity be the apex of evolution? We're no such thing. We're not the best, nor all that special - plenty of species are more succesfull than we are, or more complex.

Yes, we are best and "most" successful specie on earth. We are on the top of the foodchain, we dont have natural predators. And Human Brain is the most complex structure in universe as we know it.

That is simply not true. We are at the top of the foodchain, not counting bacteria and virusses, and many parasites. The foodchain is a human invention. It's a thought. Factually speaking, it is not as simple as a foodchain. I could go into the details, but you wouldn't read them anyway.

The brain is not the most complex structure. Also, it is impossible to compare complexity in this manner, since it is relative. There are more complex cells than braincells, and more complex electrical fields than that of the human brain.

Again, succesful is something we made up, plus it's relative. There are no true ways to measure succesfulness, since it does not have a fixed numerical meaning.

I knew you'd catch the things I didn't

 

[escapist_FTW]

We didn't evolve from apes, we share a common ancestor.

 

[IshFish]

I dont think any Macro-virus's had been found.

 

[Flauros]

Yes, we are apes. Enough with this "no, were SIMILIAR to apes" crap. Your cat Squeekers might be black and a Lion might be sand colored, but theyre both cats.

 

[Circleseer]

I knew you'd catch the things I didn't

I'm just glad you and I are on the same page xD

 

[diasravenguard]

I dont think any Macro-virus's had been found.

Exactly that's why it could be used as a classification other than great apes for humans!

 

[diasravenguard]

Yes, we are apes. Enough with this "no, were SIMILIAR to apes" crap. Your cat Squeekers might be black and a Lion might be sand colored, but theyre both cats.

That's the best simple analogy on this page sofar.

 

[Nautical Honors Society]

No, I believe we evolved from Cacti..

I am not asking about if we evolved form apes, I am asking if you believe humans and apes should be classified together?

That's a good point. Still, my answer remains no, because we are EXTREMELY different from the modern ape in both Appearance, Physical Makeup (i.e. posture, style of movement and action,) Capabilities, and so on and so forth. We should really be considered our own subgroup...

... Catagorized under desert vegetation...

You do make a good point yourself, but I believe that our anatomical structure is close enough to be considered apes.

Also your statements regarding cacti would explain why I always get stuck to my sofa whenever I sit down...damn needles.

 

[kotorfan04]

Uhh I am gonna go with no. I believe the theory of evolution is the best method of explaining change in populations over time etc etc etc, however there are way too many differences between us and Great Apes for me to classify us togather. First of all we stand up erect, all the time. Second of all, we are pretty smart, you know landing on the moon smart. And finally we aren't as hairy as our ape brethren. Yes we have a lot in common with them, but for me at least I think the homo- etc group should be in their own family, lets call it the homo-whatever group. Sound good? Good.

 

[IshFish]

I dont think any Macro-virus's had been found.

Exactly that's why it could be used as a classification other than great apes for humans!

Isnt the best example of a Macro-virus the Flood from Halo?
Also there are lots of criteria for one to be a virus

 

[stoaster]

We didn't evolve from apes, we share a common ancestor.

Correction. We didn't evolve from modern apes, but the common ancestor was still an ape.

 

[Maze1125]

Actually there is a huge amount of evidence of the big bang (but actually at this point the string theory is generally considered correct though that's arguable it also features a big bang that is produced by "bran's" colliding.)

String Theory isn't designed to be a replacement to the Big Bang. It's an explanation of the subatomic world.

If String Theory is correct (and we don't know it is, currently it's only a mathematical theory, not a scientific one) then it would certainly be linked to the Big Bang, but still a separate theory.

That is both correct and incorrect it is actually meant to built upon the part of the equation that Einstein made (E=mc²) that did not explain the natural world (that is it does not explain gravity) it explains this from the subatomic side but that is not the main goal the main goal of the theory is to made a all inclusive theory that explains why the universe is the way that it is.

Part of that is the creation point but that is as you said not directly related. I added the information based off the fact that in reality the big bang does have a single flaw and that is proof of what it was that blew up (all the matter in the universe) and the bran's explains that through string theory.

You're buying far to much into the String Theory hype.

String Theory is currently just a nice idea that works mathematically, it's not even complete and has several different versions where no-one can agree on which is right (with good reason, because any of them could be, or even none of them).
It has no set goal. Some physicists like to believe it will unify all physics, but that's seeming quite unlikely.
The unification of physics will far more likely come from several theories being brought together rather than one theory doing it all itself.

And yes, 'Brane Theory would nicely explain the Big Bang, if we could ever gain evidence that it was true...
Also, the lack of explanation isn't a flaw in the Big Bang, any more than failure to explain the origin of life if a flaw of Evolution. It's not a flaw, it's just outside of the purview of the theory.

Evolution doesn't care how life started, all it cares about is what happens to life once it already exists.
Equally, the Big Bang doesn't care what came before the universe, all it cares about is what happened once the universe existed.

Look at it this way, if 'Brane Theory is correct, what made the first 'branes?

 

[Redlin5_v1legacy]

No, based on my beliefs. I'm not rigid in my beliefs but I'm not too flexible either.

 

[diasravenguard]

Uhh I am gonna go with no. I believe the theory of evolution is the best method of explaining change in populations over time etc etc etc, however there are way too many differences between us and Great Apes for me to classify us togather. First of all we stand up erect, all the time. Second of all, we are pretty smart, you know landing on the moon smart. And finally we aren't as hairy as our ape brethren. Yes we have a lot in common with them, but for me at least I think the homo- etc group should be in their own family, lets call it the homo-whatever group. Sound good? Good.

I'd agree on this one the term great ape may not really be right to describe humans but not because we stndup all the time more the reason behind it (hip shape) as well as those little issues like number of bones in the tailbone (as well as more complex things like shape of the sacrum humerus femur and aortic trunk)

The entire evolutionary side of the humans would have to fit into it though...

 

[BlumiereBleck]

Speaking for everyone who doesn't believe in evolution (such as myself) No we are not apes. We never were. And we never will be

Just a quick question I've been meaning to ask someone like you please by all means do not take it the wrong way but, if you do not believe in evolution do you believe in the Adam and Eve thing? Because you know that story goes in the direction of family incest and that we'd be hillbillies because everybody would be related to us right?

Well this is so far the nicest reply on this thread I've gotten, and for that I will be glad to answer your question. I do believe in the Adam and Eve story, but after Cain killed Abel he wondered the Earth. God had created many more humans and allowed them to reproduce with each other. There was no incest just more humans created.