Poll: Do you believe humans are apes?

[New York Patrick]

No, I believe we evolved from Cacti..

 

[Nautical Honors Society]

No, I believe we evolved from Cacti..

I am not asking about if we evolved form apes, I am asking if you believe humans and apes should be classified together?

 

[Nautical Honors Society]

I said yes, even though it's a gross over-simplification. I agreed since the question seemed to be "do you believe in evolution" rather than "are we ape's". We are intelligent apes. That's just the group of animals we fit into. If you disagree you are saying we aren't animals - in a human supremacist kind of way, which is wrong.

Nope, I am not asking if you believe in evolution or not I am asking if you believe that apes and humans should be classified together.

EDIT: Sorry that was sort of a double post.

 

[New York Patrick]

No, I believe we evolved from Cacti..

I am not asking about if we evolved form apes, I am asking if you believe humans and apes should be classified together?

That's a good point. Still, my answer remains no, because we are EXTREMELY different from the modern ape in both Appearance, Physical Makeup (i.e. posture, style of movement and action,) Capabilities, and so on and so forth. We should really be considered our own subgroup...

... Catagorized under desert vegetation...

 

[diasravenguard]

I do not believe that humans are apes because I do not believe in evolution. I am Catholic so that is why I do not believe any of it.

I do not believe a lot of the scientific theories that scientists came up with, they are all liberal pigs. I believe that humans have always been human. I also do believe in the story of Adam and Eve. Humans also have the same all the same bones of a horse and the same organs of a pig, but I doubt you believe that humans evolved from those animals; also the theory of the big bang is all false too.

So, humans have always been human? How do you account for the stark differences in the bones of human ancestors? Neanderthal, Homo erectus, and even homo sapiens (modern humans are now classified as Homo sapiens sapiens to distinguish from earlier forms of human). Things change all the time. Watch the seasons change. Watch years pass. Watch people grow old. Watch flu viruses evolve every flu season to keep getting you sick (if it didn't your body's immune system would recognize it and destroy it quickly). Time changes everything and the change of species is no different.

As far as horse bones and pig organs, of course we are going to have similarities to those animals. We are distantly related to these creatures. Mammals all date back to reptile-like creatures about 200 million years ago. ALL life is related. If you want to see some REALLY distantly related creatures look at jellyfish or blueberries. All coded using the same genetic sequences. We even have approximately the same junk DNA (DNA that codes for nothing, leftover from eons of random mutation) as all of these life-forms.

Do not discount the ideas of people who have thought about this for much longer than you with much better equipment, measurements and observations. The evidence for evolution, and by extension, the ape-defined man, is staggering. The modern era of science may make mistakes, like any era, but it corrects them quickly. Evolution is too correct an idea to be replaced by "God did it."

As far as the big bang goes, I guess we'll have to discount the Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation, the expansion of the universe evidenced by galaxies moving away in every direction (faster the further they are), and the observed type and amount of matter in the universe being approximately equal to the estimated amounts put forth by pure theory postulated from a "big bang" event.

Either God put everything in place to seem exactly like evolution and the big bang are true theories (in which case I'd venture to guess that it's in our best interests to act as though they are), or God simply wasn't involved.

Humans have looked the same throughout time, they have never changed or evolved in any way. The bones found that look like humans are just animals that have died of from extinction because of other animals. For people growing old, that is not evolution that is just the body producing new and more cells and the Flu virus evolving that is true it does evolve, the christian religion does not believe in the evolution of anything living and from what you might of heard viruses are not living.

You quoted me saying that animals look like other animals, but I was quoting someone elese on what you are saying and I told them that althought we might look alike there is not and other connection to those other animals, we were just made to look alike. If Evolution existed then all apes would be like us, but they are not.

Apparently you did not know that religion existed since the beginning of earth and science did not come until about a million years later so these scientists can explain things that should never be explained or are already explained, they just are blind in seeing it. For the big bang theory, it is a theory there is almost no evidence that can prove that it has happened. Science is just a cover up for what is the truth, you are just blind to see the truth.

Actually there is a huge amount of evidence of the big bang (but actually at this point the string theory is generally considered correct though that's arguable it also features a big bang that is produced by "bran's" colliding.) There is also indisputable evidence that the world is far older than the bible suggests and that "science" has been around longer than the christian religion (which just happens to NOT be the oldest religion on the planet (Zoroastrianism look it up Christianity is based off of it)) although it was in an infantile form, and unexplained issues such as a how someone who knows how to use a computer would try to say that a virus is not living... Seriously that about made me fall out of my chair laughing.

Apes would not evolve on a general term as we are a type of ape we evolved to look like we do now and other apes evolved on a different "step" differently. That also explains why "humans" are different dependent on race. feel free to say this is wrong but melanocytes in the skin evolved to filter UV radiation to make proper use of the radiation to allow for the production of vitamin D. Different areas needed different filter ranges based off radiation levels and other sources of the vitamin.

What exactly should not have been explained by science?

 

[solidstatemind]

I can't really figure out how to respond to this.

I believe in evolution, but I also believe in a higher power. To me "God made man from earth" came about because the person who was writing this shit down was never ever going to understand the theory of evolution (remember, this was tribal knowledge from before Christ). After all, the single-celled organism that eventually evolved into Man could be said to be 'earth'. Or simplifying even more, if 'Adam' was the first single-celled organism, and 'Eve' was the second, then 'incest' wouldn't have mattered, would it? They would've just been dividing, not copulating. Make Adam, Eve, Cain, Able, and all that fucked up shit into analogies rather than literal history, and suddenly it becomes a tad bit more plausible.

Take for example the seven days thing. What is 'seven days' to an omnipotent being? It could be billions and billions of years. We don't know, because it's beyond the scope of our comprehension.

So, yeah, I believe we evolved from apes, but I honestly see no reason that fact excludes the possibility of intelligent design. (Or whatever the religous nuts are calling the existence of a being that initiated the creation of man these days. I don't listen to those guys; they're totally fucking nuts, I KNOW. We may have some beliefs in common, but that is entirely coincidental.)

I am put in mind of a quote I read once. I can't remember who said it, but it was a modern day scientist. It was, basically, "the strongest argument for the existence of a God is that there is (a certain amount of time- it was something weird, like 9 seconds) immediately after the big bang that absolutely nobody can account for."

Sorry for all the waffling. That's what a Jesuit education will get you. I once had a nun tell me in my religous studies class that the bible was a work of 'divinely inspired fiction'.

 

[diasravenguard]

Guys, I think this Dorby5826and360 fellow might actually be a Templar.

Yes I think you might be right and I'm not sure about it but I think he may have stumbled through some space/time portal that landed him in this era...

 

[photog212]

No. I think we split from that line too far back to be put in the category.

 

[Circleseer]

STOP TREATING SCIENCE AS A RELIGION.

I'm serious. It isn't. Science is a name we have for working with a particular method. Stop acting like it is 'a force'. Stop acting like it is a front one can belong to. Stop acting like it is a word that is interchangeable with 'logical reasoning'. It is annoying and you are making a fool of yourself.

 

[Maze1125]

Actually there is a huge amount of evidence of the big bang (but actually at this point the string theory is generally considered correct though that's arguable it also features a big bang that is produced by "bran's" colliding.)

String Theory isn't designed to be a replacement to the Big Bang. It's an explanation of the subatomic world.

If String Theory is correct (and we don't know it is, currently it's only a mathematical theory, not a scientific one) then it would certainly be linked to the Big Bang, but still a separate theory.

 

[Circleseer]

in time religion will die as humanity grows smarter it is INEVITABLE. and yes humanity have evolved somewhat significantly throughout RECORDED HISTORY, if you go back to lets say the viking ages and look at dug up bones you will notice that compared to us NOW they were much shorter.
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you sir are a RELIGIOUS NUTJOB.

Genetically the same. It's about nutrition and enviromental circumstances. Thus not evolution.

Do your homework before your act high and mighty.

 

[Shoggoth2588]

I guess if humans are to be classified under any animal heading, the great ape family would be the best match. I also believe that we are descended from other flavors of ape.

 

[ZydrateDealer]

YES for fuck sake we are apes...not 'evolved from', 'ARE'...jesus christ what is wrong with you rems. This thread is proof of why we should abolish all religion that involves worship of a deity...it's one step up from speaking to your imaginary friend, and that fucker didn't give you the right answers in nursery why would they give you them now??
Also I noticed some half baked bullshit about british people being chavy apes in tracksuits...fair enough we do have an abundance of chavs currently living in the country, but murder is illegal and those fecks breed like rabbits, ah well the healthcare is free and the education is better here (we put the chavs in 'special classes' fuck equal oppertunities)!

 

[diasravenguard]

Actually there is a huge amount of evidence of the big bang (but actually at this point the string theory is generally considered correct though that's arguable it also features a big bang that is produced by "bran's" colliding.)

String Theory isn't designed to be a replacement to the Big Bang. It's an explanation of the subatomic world.

If String Theory is correct (and we don't know it is, currently it's only a mathematical theory, not a scientific one) then it would certainly be linked to the Big Bang, but still a separate theory.

That is both correct and incorrect it is actually meant to built upon the part of the equation that Einstein made (E=mc²) that did not explain the natural world (that is it does not explain gravity) it explains this from the subatomic side but that is not the main goal the main goal of the theory is to made a all inclusive theory that explains why the universe is the way that it is.

Part of that is the creation point but that is as you said not directly related. I added the information based off the fact that in reality the big bang does have a single flaw and that is proof of what it was that blew up (all the matter in the universe) and the bran's explains that through string theory.

 

[diasravenguard]

To clarify this, humans did not evolve from apes. Human and CHIMPANZEES share a common ancestor from Asia. These findings are fairly recent, within the past year, so I can understand very few people outside the archaeological community knowing this.

Finally some sense.

He isn't actually correct humans are a type of ape as are chimanzees. An ape is not a species it is a classification.

I further elaborated on this but if you want to read more about the findings check out
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science+environment-10633640 and anyone with the taxidermy community about crapped themselves when it was announced. (I know I did!)

 

[Dana22]

Why would humanity be the apex of evolution? We're no such thing. We're not the best, nor all that special - plenty of species are more succesfull than we are, or more complex.

Yes, we are best and "most" successful specie on earth. We are on the top of the foodchain, we dont have natural predators. And Human Brain is the most complex structure in universe as we know it.

 

[Circleseer]

Humans are Viruses. Apes Adapt to their Environment and live harmoniously with it. In fact thats what all mammals do. Humans adapt their environment to them. Viruses also do this.

That is not how we classify things as virus or ape.

You could say we're LIKE virusses, instead. It's a big difference.