Just a sec. There are non freewill baptists?byte4554 said:I'm a freewill Baptist and I firmly believe in a heaven and a hell
To throw in my 2 cents:
- I don't believe in an afterlife (humanist/atheist)
- There doesn't have to be a "why".
Just a sec. There are non freewill baptists?byte4554 said:I'm a freewill Baptist and I firmly believe in a heaven and a hell
How do you know about the "go anywhere else" part? Seems to me we have no clue one way or another.Golan Trevize said:But I do know that once people die, they don't come back or GO ANYWHERE ELSE, so I'll stay with that till proven otherwise.
They don't come back or go anywhere else in a form that YOU can observe. And what you can't observe you could just about fit into virtually all of the known universe, to say nothing of the unknown universe(s).Golan Trevize said:But I do know that once people die, they don't come back or go anywhere else, so I'll stay with that till proven otherwise.everythingbeeps said:Haven't you ever heard the phrase "You don't know what you don't know"?Golan Trevize said:The only state of consciousness we can't comprehend is non existence. The mere idea of not being around anymore scares us so much that we turn to fables and old tales to avoid the fact that once we are dead, it's over.everythingbeeps said:If there is one, it's a state of consciousness we can't really comprehend.
If there is no God, you are not going to find out about it, because by that time you will have ceased to exist and thus also ceased to care. So, the first part of your statement is a bit meaningless. As for the second part, I don't know why that would be an issue. Unless believing in God is a requirement to experience the afterlife. Otherwise it would just be something like winning the lottery without having bought a ticket.RedKurtain said:"I'd rather live my life believing there is a God and die to find out there isn't, than live my life believing there isn't a God and die to find out there is"
Your comprehension skills leave much to be desired, unless you're just misrepresenting me on purpose to pathetically flail your point.Golan Trevize said:I never said we do, just that the idea of non existence is so difficult to understand that we come up with explanations that validate the idea that we keep on living after death in some way or form. This "we cannot know anything therefore there must be something after death" validates my point just as well as religion does.everythingbeeps said:They don't come back or go anywhere else in a form that YOU can observe. And what you can't observe you could just about fit into virtually all of the known universe, to say nothing of the unknown universe(s).Golan Trevize said:But I do know that once people die, they don't come back or go anywhere else, so I'll stay with that till proven otherwise.everythingbeeps said:Haven't you ever heard the phrase "You don't know what you don't know"?Golan Trevize said:The only state of consciousness we can't comprehend is non existence. The mere idea of not being around anymore scares us so much that we turn to fables and old tales to avoid the fact that once we are dead, it's over.everythingbeeps said:If there is one, it's a state of consciousness we can't really comprehend.
My point is, we're a step above monkeys. Universally speaking, we're a pretty dumb and extraordinarily limited species. We don't really understand the universe, we only think we do.
does this happen before or after you die? Or are you saying the energy remains within the body after it gives up to be consumed by the bacteria? Can the bacteria break down and assimilate the energy that is the soul? Questions lead to more questions, but that's what makes this sutch an interesting topicTin Man said:Energy indeed can't be destroyed, but it is transferred. Our bodies are absolutely full of life when we die, and once that bothersome immune system of yours breaks down, the billion strong legions of bacteria you've been fighting off your entire life will feed on every last soft tissue in your body, thus transferring your latent energy, into them. They then release it into the earth, and we all wind up being the bottom of the food chain.dvd_72 said:well, for there to be an afterlife, there would have to be a component of you that goes to said afterlife, yes? It seems to me that there is indeed something more to us than electrical impulses in the brain and hormones (this comes from someone who hasn't done a medical degree, so yea). That creative spark, that is what I believe to be the "soul", if you will. It is the energy that animates our bodies, and as we all know energy cannot be created or destroyed.
The circle closes.
I am Agnostic as well. I believe in Positive and Negative energy out there in balance.lunncal said:I'm Agnostic, so I'm undecided (like I am with pretty much everything to do with religion, or everything full stop). I would lean towards there being no afterlife, but I don't know, we can't really prove anything one way or another. Logic and reason can only really apply to things we can experience or measure.