I feel as if I'm being trolled with your posts. Beginning with putting words in my mouth in your pseudo-intellectual style, I never said that anyone was more rational than anyone else. I was merely putting forth an alternative explanation, which you could accept or reject. You have obviously chosen the latter. Moreover, by your definition, any kind of scientific testing or experimentation that does not lead to a conclusive benefit must not be helpful, therefore making it "merely stupid." For someone that regards science with such esteem, stifling experimentation seems rather odd. Furthermore, your red herring examples do not add anything to the conversation and only draw away from the argument at heart.FarleShadow said:Because your belief that 'philosophers' have better knowledge than a goddamn scientist is considered more 'rational' than blahing about Kant and co. Do we not build on the shoulders of those who come before us? Of course we do, like the first monkey who 'tried the red berries first', we continually build on those ideas/experiences, but we are, for lack of better genetics, still human, and will continue to do stupid things until we advance sufficiently to realise that what we are doing is not helpful, merely stupid.countrysteaksauce said:Whoa, so much for rational discourse. No need for insults. Judging by your rambling and admittedly rather incoherent post, I'm starting to suspect that English isn't your native language. I shall be less harsh in my response as a result. I simply need to know, Do you believe that all of human achievement not based on mathematical proofs and scientific evidence is worthless?FarleShadow said:Because the great physicists care.countrysteaksauce said:Judging by the lack of coherence in your response, it seems as if this greatly offends you.FarleShadow said:No. It isn't.countrysteaksauce said:There's also the whole "time is a human construct" thing.
For example, for any chemical reaction to go from point A to point B, it needs time.
A good idea to prove this:
Light a candle.
Leave the room.
If the candle has continued to burn after you have left the room, time isn't a human construct, its a physical law. Which it is.
I could argue with you, but Leibniz and Kant have already formulated such treatises on the matter.
I honestly don't care what you believe, you could believe that gravity is God's way of punishing us for being fat.
philosophers represents the irrelevant, like arguing that God cares about what color or form his praise is cast as. Does someone who had a significant portion of their life formulating their opinion matter? No. Does said guy gain Godhood by stating that one position is wrong and theirs is the only opinion that matters? No.
Ergo, if candles burn while I'm not watching, you are wrong.
I can't believe that someone would argue the 'arrow of time' Steven Hawking version because some 'philosophers' disagree.
Enjoy your F-, idiot.
I highly suspect that you are not some reasoned person, instead you merely exist to troll those who don't think with their rectum.
Amusingly, we also thought the sun orbited the Earth. gg on previous human achievement.
They aren't going to let idiots go into Time-Machines. Think about it, if an object or person from the future enters the past, we are going to realize something is wrong and there will be a paradox with horrendous results.The Bucket said:If it was possible, we would have seen some by now
You beat me to getting beaten to it.Verlander said:Damn, beaten to itMicklet said:You are time travelling right now, we all are. We are currently traveling at 1 second per second intervals into the future by our relativity to ourselves.
So instead of adding to the 'discussion', you decide to make it more complex but do not add to it. Wow. I bet you're a real star. Did I stifle experimentation? No, experimentations are the proverbal sauce to science's main course, to prove an idea wrong is merely a novel way of saying 'no way cowboy'. Alternative explainations are the pointless quests that 'philosophers' justify their purpose, like posing the question that 'gravity pulls only those who's faith is 100%', the answer is no and stop wasting rational people's time.countrysteaksauce said:I feel as if I'm being trolled with your posts. Beginning with putting words in my mouth in your pseudo-intellectual style, I never said that anyone was more rational than anyone else. I was merely putting forth an alternative explanation, which you could accept or reject. You have obviously chosen the latter. Moreover, by your definition, any kind of scientific testing or experimentation that does not lead to a conclusive benefit must not be helpful, therefore making it "merely stupid." For someone that regards science with such esteem, stifling experimentation seems rather odd. Furthermore, your red herring examples do not add anything to the conversation and only draw away from the argument at heart.FarleShadow said:Because your belief that 'philosophers' have better knowledge than a goddamn scientist is considered more 'rational' than blahing about Kant and co. Do we not build on the shoulders of those who come before us? Of course we do, like the first monkey who 'tried the red berries first', we continually build on those ideas/experiences, but we are, for lack of better genetics, still human, and will continue to do stupid things until we advance sufficiently to realise that what we are doing is not helpful, merely stupid.countrysteaksauce said:Whoa, so much for rational discourse. No need for insults. Judging by your rambling and admittedly rather incoherent post, I'm starting to suspect that English isn't your native language. I shall be less harsh in my response as a result. I simply need to know, Do you believe that all of human achievement not based on mathematical proofs and scientific evidence is worthless?FarleShadow said:Because the great physicists care.countrysteaksauce said:Judging by the lack of coherence in your response, it seems as if this greatly offends you.FarleShadow said:No. It isn't.countrysteaksauce said:There's also the whole "time is a human construct" thing.
For example, for any chemical reaction to go from point A to point B, it needs time.
A good idea to prove this:
Light a candle.
Leave the room.
If the candle has continued to burn after you have left the room, time isn't a human construct, its a physical law. Which it is.
I could argue with you, but Leibniz and Kant have already formulated such treatises on the matter.
I honestly don't care what you believe, you could believe that gravity is God's way of punishing us for being fat.
philosophers represents the irrelevant, like arguing that God cares about what color or form his praise is cast as. Does someone who had a significant portion of their life formulating their opinion matter? No. Does said guy gain Godhood by stating that one position is wrong and theirs is the only opinion that matters? No.
Ergo, if candles burn while I'm not watching, you are wrong.
I can't believe that someone would argue the 'arrow of time' Steven Hawking version because some 'philosophers' disagree.
Enjoy your F-, idiot.
I highly suspect that you are not some reasoned person, instead you merely exist to troll those who don't think with their rectum.
Amusingly, we also thought the sun orbited the Earth. gg on previous human achievement.
Also, you have yet to answer my previously posed question.
As a side note, I actually believe in the concept of time. I was just putting forth an alternative.
I don't think you are even reading/comprehending his posts, but I thought it worth mentioning that he didn't say he was anti-science, nor is philosophy necessarily anti-science. If you believe that all philosophers do is pose impractical questions, then I suggest you educate yourself more on the discipline.FarleShadow said:So instead of adding to the 'discussion', you decide to make it more complex but do not add to it. Wow. I bet you're a real star. Did I stifle experimentation? No, experimentations are the proverbal sauce to science's main course, to prove an idea wrong is merely a novel way of saying 'no way cowboy'. Alternative explainations are the pointless quests that 'philosophers' justify their purpose, like posing the question that 'gravity pulls only those who's faith is 100%', the answer is no and stop wasting rational people's time.countrysteaksauce said:I feel as if I'm being trolled with your posts. Beginning with putting words in my mouth in your pseudo-intellectual style, I never said that anyone was more rational than anyone else. I was merely putting forth an alternative explanation, which you could accept or reject. You have obviously chosen the latter. Moreover, by your definition, any kind of scientific testing or experimentation that does not lead to a conclusive benefit must not be helpful, therefore making it "merely stupid." For someone that regards science with such esteem, stifling experimentation seems rather odd. Furthermore, your red herring examples do not add anything to the conversation and only draw away from the argument at heart.
Also, you have yet to answer my previously posed question.
As a side note, I actually believe in the concept of time. I was just putting forth an alternative.
wDidn't answer your question? Self-esteem issues aside, your question aren't worth answering. If I didn't read history, would I continue to make the same mistakes?
(And for your benefit, yes).
Enjoyably, your suggestion that you are 'no less rational than anyone else' gave value to the fact that 'you have an alternative theory' is laughable. Just because the world doesn't orbit the sun doesn't make your theory anymore valid.
Also, 'putting forth an argument against current time theory' does not instantly give you kudos against current scientific theory, all it does is make you insufferably more arrogant than the standardised anti-science peon.
I think its possible through accidental natural occurrence due to black holes.Rockchimp69 said:By that do you mean we will not survive long enough to reach a conclusion about it/manage it?TeeBs said:I think time travel is possible, but I feel humans will never reach this point.
With no sarcasm or ill will intended I want to say this:FarleShadow said:Welcome to the internet.
If you aren't at war, you're gunna get raped.