I believe in it, at least in the spirit. Specifically I mean that in say combat, civillians get first pick of evac and then soldiers. Sorry soldiers, but you signed up for the possibility of death, they didn't, and it is your job to protect them.
Poll: Do you believe in "women and children first"?
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This is the only reply to this thread that has intelligence behind it and is worth reading. The only reply.Rariow said:
I think it was necessary because all of the recent threads. Equality shouldn't be limited to certain situations and that is what I am trying to say. Several feminists are even trying to make chivalry a sexist act and letting women on a life boat first is chivalry, thus that is sexist according to their definition.Colour-Scientist said:
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I disagree, it's hard to put any logic into a decision that depends on what values you consider important. If I had to choose between saving the life of Einstein (assuming we lived in a time when he was still alive) and a random child, I'd choose the child. Why? Because while Einstein was a genius, someone-else would have ended up discovering his theories and solutions had he died before he could come up with them. I consider the value that children should always be protected and cared for by adults to be more important than the value of advancing science at a faster pace (and I say this as a university science student).Iron Criterion said:
I like the way you think. Let's just not be vying for the same single spotThe Scythian said:
I can get remarried and have more kids, thus continuing my genetic line. I may let a child of mine go first, but if it comes down to a me vs. anyone zero sum game, god help them because I won't.
sure do, but thats because im a misogynistic arsehole apparently. (i have actually been asked this question before and this was what my answer earned me)
but I believe that children should be first and at least one guardian should be sent with them.
but I believe that children should be first and at least one guardian should be sent with them.
Not as a rule, no.
However, in a situation like that, I'm probably going to let certain people like kids, old people, or those I care about go first.
Its just how I think really. I'd rather save say, 50 people and die myself, than go first and have have them die.
However, in a situation like that, I'm probably going to let certain people like kids, old people, or those I care about go first.
Its just how I think really. I'd rather save say, 50 people and die myself, than go first and have have them die.
Children definitely first. Women and men it's hit and miss I think. I don't know how you'd regulate it, because when this phrase comes into effect, it's usually in a panic.
But in an Ideal world, I think social importance should take presidency over non social importance. For example, a female or male senator should be saved over a female or male unemployed bum.
Sounds horrible, but picture this. 'The CEO of google has died, because his place on a rescue boat was bagsy'd by a homeless man from Baltimore.'
But in an Ideal world, I think social importance should take presidency over non social importance. For example, a female or male senator should be saved over a female or male unemployed bum.
Sounds horrible, but picture this. 'The CEO of google has died, because his place on a rescue boat was bagsy'd by a homeless man from Baltimore.'
While thinking rationally, I'd definitely say children first. If I was in that situation though, and acting purely on a combination of adrenaline, fear, and instinct, I'm honestly not sure what I'd do. Hopefully I'll never have to find out
Who said otherwise? Seriously.Yopaz said:
I wish people would stop bringing up feminism when it's not at all fucking necessary. It's always 'some feminists said this', 'some feminists said that' and 'some feminists say that they should have equal rights but still want to be let off of the boat first'.
Where are these 'feminists'? I've never come across them and I am a feminist, in university, surrounded by fucking feminists.
Not one self-proclaimed feminist on this site has suggested that women should be let off before men and why not mention any other interest group or rights group? The only people who bring up feminism in these kinds of threads are a few boys/men going 'oh, loads of feminists think that they want equal rights but really they just want to be treated specially' when it's barely even relevant to the thread and there're no examples of a feminist arguing that point.
If it's not a thread directly about feminism can you not just leave it alone? Actually, even if the thread is about feminism you should leave it alone. I'm sure everyone is sick of hearing about it, I know most of the feminists on the site certainly are.
I'm sure that I read in a study during my time at university that in times of crisis and mortal danger, the collective will favour the survival of 18-25 year olds, regardless of gender. The researchers attempted posited that this was because 18-25 year olds are at a good level of physical fitness, therefore among the most likely to survive and carry on the next generation. Interesting stuff.
first come first serve is how I see it fuck the children and woman im not dieing for your sake.
So really no I don't I believe it to be very stupid.
So really no I don't I believe it to be very stupid.
Yeah but surely the point of having an ideal like women and children first, is so that people can see how they measure up to it. Same as say "don't shoot civilians", not everybody is going to live up to it, but it gives people a standard of behavior to aspire to.Lumber Barber said:
for what it's worth I would hope I would be able to see women and children get off first. Same was the elderly or disabled.
So I should let this matter rest? Well let me me ask you this. Who quoted who in this thing? I made one post that didn't really need any further discussion, however you obviously felt a need to make more of it. I was quite satisfied only making a poor joke in this thread and I would have left it at that. Now I am a man so blame me for this all you want. It doesn't affect me in the slightest. I am the reason you quoted me, I should never have replied to your quote even though it was a direct question regarding my post.Colour-Scientist said:
What matter? I was referring to bringing up fabricated feminist ideas when there's no need to. I quoted you because it goes on all of the time and I'm not the only person who's tired of the sly little comments. I said in my post that I wasn't directing it just at you.Yopaz said:
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What does that sentence have to do with anything?
In some ways it is outdated, with equal rights and all, but the general concept is still necessary. Not the "women and children" part, but it is important for those who are less able to survive the catastrophe be given the priorities in immediate evacuation. Now, that's probably children and the elderly or sick.
Why should children be first? What if its a situation were able bodied men surviving would be more beneficial? What if the kid survives but not his family? What if the kid survives to die later? The slim chance that a kid would survive and be 100% ok afterwards is the same as a man or a womans. Parents should protect their children/family if they have one, but other than that it should be free reign in my opinion.
WOUNDED first so they can get medical attention. Then everyone else.
WOUNDED first so they can get medical attention. Then everyone else.
i would perhaps add the elderly and/disabled to the list. basically anyone who is weaker than me and incapable of saving themselves should be helped to survive first... it might not be the darwinian thing to do but it is the honorable thing to do. Call me naive if you will but i do believe that honor counts for something at least for me, i dont think i would be able to live with such a selfish choice myself... but then again i have never been in any kind of situation like that fortunately. I can only hope i can act in the same vain as my words if ever i find myself in such a situation.
damn you for thinking my thoughts before me, damn you thoughtful ninja
chaosbedlam said:
damn you for thinking my thoughts before me, damn you thoughtful ninja