Poll: Do you believe we landed on the moon?
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When you say, "whole thing" do you mean the debunking or the space walk? The space walk was advertised as legitimate (see Wikipedia [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenzhou_7#China.27s_first_spacewalk] for a plethora of links), and the debunking appears to be not only an honest effort to find the truth, but a successful effort as well. I posted the links to it to give an example of what a fake space mission would look like. It forms a very useful contrast to the claims of fakery in the Apollo missions, especially considering that the Chinese government is much more likely to lie than the U.S. government.goldenheart323 said:
If that video were a joke, it would be funny. As it is, I have nothing to say that would be as damning as the video itself.Abedeus said:
XKCD did a nice little analysis of this tendency among conspiracy theorists:
http://xkcd.com/258/
Just because there are conspiracies doesn't mean the conspiracy you believe in isn't hogwash.
yes, we landed on the moon. those who think it's a conspiracy give our government too much credit.
seriously, they were politians, the intellectual equal of pond scum.
seriously, they were politians, the intellectual equal of pond scum.
You're telling us that aliens use rocket propulsion to get around the galaxy??? That's not plausible. Just think of all the fuel and (more importantly) time it would take just to get here from the nearest star, Alpha Centauri. It takes light over 4yrs to get here from there. Imagine how long it would take aliens if they used a simple rocket to get here. IF there are aliens, and IF they visit us, they'd HAVE to have some kind of propulsion system we know nothing about, like creating wormholes or something. Try aiming your infrared detector at that! :evilgrin:RAKtheUndead said:
Besides, if they're smart enough to get here from another planet, I'd think they'd know how to clean up any real evidence of their visit.
I meant the whole Chinese launch & Chinese spacewalk, not all spacewalks. On a side note, I don't trust Wikipedia for anything more than pop culture references and other things of little importance. I was unfamiliar with all the sites linked to as well, but I don't want to derail this into a "Did China make it to space or not" debate.lodo_bear said:
Oh, and they proved the moon landing was real on Mythbu... Oh crap. Only about a dozen people pointed that out already. Come on people. How about adding to the conversation instead of just echoing what's already been said? Threads on this site can get massive enough.
The question is of motivation. Why bother spending all that money on a moon base for no benefit?MailOrderClone said:
They can't afford to send another shuttle up for years I hear - how do you propose they build an entire space station up there?MailOrderClone said:
Besides, who's space station would it be? The Americans? Chinese? Russians? Brits (do we even have a space program)?
Whoever does (eventually), it won't go down with anyone else. At all.
OT: No, they were real.
Why anyone would say they weren't is beyond me.
Evidence for > evidence against.
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People need to learn the difference from "rebuking"[footnote]taking away reason for believing x.[/footnote] and "rebuttal"[footnote]giving reasons or evidence for believing the opposite of x[/footnote]. Mythbusters rebuked the claims that we didn't land on the moon. Mythbusters can't prove we landed on the moon unless they go there themselves. </devil's advocate>. I do believe we landed on the moon. If we didn't then I want to know where we are getting this moon dust and Helium-3 and why we don't have fusion generators yet.justblues said:
They were, we just landed on the moon first.TheSeventhLoneWolf said:
Does it really matter?
Did it really acheive anything for the human race other than bump up Americas ego?
Did it really acheive anything for the human race other than bump up Americas ego?
We did leave the reflective mirrors on the surface so that's enough proof right there. And for anybody who takes one look at this
And thinks "Well they're clearly not on the moon because the flag is still up" well they had all these little steel wires going through it to hold it upright.
And thinks "Well they're clearly not on the moon because the flag is still up" well they had all these little steel wires going through it to hold it upright.
Yes, man has been to the moon and you're an idiot if you think otherwise.
Read through this, it'll help:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_landing_conspiracy
ALSO, the first people to call BS on the moon landings was the Flat Earth Society. If that doesn't set off alarms in your BS detector....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth_Society
Read through this, it'll help:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_landing_conspiracy
ALSO, the first people to call BS on the moon landings was the Flat Earth Society. If that doesn't set off alarms in your BS detector....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth_Society
Thge supidity of moon conspiracy theorists astounds me.
They are saying that in 1969, at the height of the cold war, the American government managed to get every radar/radio facility capable of tracking an object to the moon and back, including the ones in the Soviet Union, to secretly agree to lie about the trajectory of the Apollo 11 capsule for several days.
Then they managed to make all these fake reports agree with each other, bare in mind the Russians are helping now at the very height of the Cold War.
At the same time they managed to persuade/pay off the tens of thousands of NASA employees who helped build the rocket to keep their silence and in the forty years since not one person involved from either side of the cold war with even a remote connection to the program has admitted to this astounding cover up carried in unison by both sides of the motherfucking cold war.
The time, money, effort and chances for this wacko plan to go wrong are so high that it clearly would have been cheapre, easier and safer to just build the damn rocket and fire those brave men into space. It also begs the question, if the Soviet Union and Nato were in such close co-opreation, why was there even the friggin' cold war? It's stupidity so earth shattering you could measure it on the richter scale, but it is worth it to see Buzz Aldrin punch out people who call him a liar.
They are saying that in 1969, at the height of the cold war, the American government managed to get every radar/radio facility capable of tracking an object to the moon and back, including the ones in the Soviet Union, to secretly agree to lie about the trajectory of the Apollo 11 capsule for several days.
Then they managed to make all these fake reports agree with each other, bare in mind the Russians are helping now at the very height of the Cold War.
At the same time they managed to persuade/pay off the tens of thousands of NASA employees who helped build the rocket to keep their silence and in the forty years since not one person involved from either side of the cold war with even a remote connection to the program has admitted to this astounding cover up carried in unison by both sides of the motherfucking cold war.
The time, money, effort and chances for this wacko plan to go wrong are so high that it clearly would have been cheapre, easier and safer to just build the damn rocket and fire those brave men into space. It also begs the question, if the Soviet Union and Nato were in such close co-opreation, why was there even the friggin' cold war? It's stupidity so earth shattering you could measure it on the richter scale, but it is worth it to see Buzz Aldrin punch out people who call him a liar.
I'm kind of bewildered that people even ask this kind of thing. Just raising the question makes it sound like there's some kind of reasonable chance it didn't happen. With any sufficiently large telescope(which admittedly would have to be pretty freaking large), you can just look up there and say 'Oh, there's that stuff they left parked up there, why the hell are you even asking?'
I suppose there's some entertainment value to retired astronauts punching conspiracy nuts, but beyond that, I really don't see the point. Next I'll see a poll up asking if the world is round, or if we think Batman is a real person.
I suppose there's some entertainment value to retired astronauts punching conspiracy nuts, but beyond that, I really don't see the point. Next I'll see a poll up asking if the world is round, or if we think Batman is a real person.
We have engines capable of trans-continental flights carrying hundreds of people, a network of thousands of satellites in orbit showing we can get to space, life support mechanisms enabling visits to some of the greatest depths in the ocean and the highest mountains, but when it comes to suggesting that we used this commonplace technology to facilitate the visit of a handful of astronauts to that giant orbiting rock we can plainly see over there, oh no, now we've apparently gone too far.
Wow, I am kinda surprised that no one posted these links yet. Before MythBusters, there was Phil from Bad Astronomy. He had a TON of info about the Moon Landings and debunks every argument I have ever heard about the Moon landings:
Main Page:
http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/apollohoax.html
Page with most info regarding the Fox TV special made by CT's.:
http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html
Main Page:
http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/apollohoax.html
Page with most info regarding the Fox TV special made by CT's.:
http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html
