Poll: Do you feel you were lied to about Drugs in D.A.R.E., or other programs in school?

[EeveeElectro]

DARE.. oh god.. the memories...

 

[Inmate13]

As the point was made earlier, the whole idea was to keep us from even going near drugs, and by dammit it worked. Seriously, D.A.R.E. scared the shit out of me sometimes; I was afraid that in high school a group of guys would hold me down and stick a needle in my arm. It's only now that I realise the truth: drugs are expensive.

 

[Pegghead]

Well common sense should tell you to not become a druggie (God I am a loser). But I found that all the anti-drug programs were kind of helpful, but I think the best way I've learnt about drugs is through my friend. Lets just say he's beaten around the bush (More like the plantation) and this is coming from a guy in highschool. And don't reply saying he's lying, I have evidence that he really has, well, done weed. Besides, at least when you watch anti-drug films and so on you miss out on actual class work.

 

[Ohten]

I sure do. They never once told me how awesome an acid trip is.

 

[Altorin]

Tobbaco is more dangerous and harmful than Meth, in fact its just short of heroin as in amount of damage to the body.

I don't believe that for a second, I'm sorry.

I'm going to second that, i've seen people on meth; Its not pretty. I've seen people on tobacco and pot, and cocain, and heroin. Of the five i'd say meth is the most physically damaging. Its horrifying what some of these meth users look like. Those sick poster adds they use aren't that far from the truth.

I agree. From what I've gathered, meth is the worst. Then heroin (any rockstar will tell you how bad that is). Then cocaine, followed by tobacco, and last would be pot.

We've been lied to plenty about these things. Some over-exaggerated, some under-exaggerated, but some truths were withheld.

Here's my pharmacutical rule of thumb. The more you have to process it, the worse it is for you. Pot is as natural as i comes, its just a leaf. Tobacco is processed a little, cocain is next on the list, then heroin, and for meth you practically have to own a full high school chemistry lab. Plants usually don't kill people, but strange chemicals have a way of fucking you up royally.

hemlock is just a leaf.

cancer meds are often full of chemical compounds that are manmade.

how damaging something is is determined by the end results of ingesting/injecting it, not by how much processing is done to it. You can make some observations about correlation.. but if you took all of the chemicals that went into meth and ingested them, you'd be just as fucked if not more, and they went through 1 less processing step

 

[That One Six]

They aren't there to inform us. They are there to keep us off drugs. They did a fairly decent job, in my opinion.

Exactly the point.

 

[LockHeart]

We didn't really have stuff like that - we had the local copper come in and talk to us about it, then another one who specialised in drug crime. It was actually very interesting, because they'd been involved with some of the students in there for drugs offences.

But I'd never intended to go and try any of the hard stuff so it just helped to reinforce the knowledge of the usual addict's life.

 

[Godavari]

While I don't do drugs, and don't plan on it, DARE had nothing to do with that decision. I just hate the smell of the damned things. All DARE did was bring drugs to kids' attention - seriously, think about how long it would take you to discover drugs on your own vs. how long it took with DARE.

 

[Emphraim]

I've never had any anti- drug propaganda put into me in grade and middle school, and so far haven't had anything in high school. Is this a public school thing?

 

[grimsprice]

cancer meds are often full of chemical compounds that are manmade.

how damaging something is is determined by the end results of ingesting/injecting it, not by how much processing is done to it. You can make some observations about correlation.. but if you took all of the chemicals that went into meth and ingested them, you'd be just as fucked if not more, and they went through 1 less processing step

I'm sorry if that came off as correlation implies causation. I was just observing the correlation and commenting on how i don't trust processed chemical medication. Remember! Side effects may include heart failure, lactation, sore muscles and bleeding of the colon. But sure as hell it will stop the itching.

 

[Kanlic]

Tobbaco is more dangerous and harmful than Meth, in fact its just short of heroin as in amount of damage to the body.

I don't believe that for a second, I'm sorry.

I'm going to second that, i've seen people on meth; Its not pretty. I've seen people on tobacco and pot, and cocain, and heroin. Of the five i'd say meth is the most physically damaging. Its horrifying what some of these meth users look like. Those sick poster adds they use aren't that far from the truth.

I agree. From what I've gathered, meth is the worst. Then heroin (any rockstar will tell you how bad that is). Then cocaine, followed by tobacco, and last would be pot.

We've been lied to plenty about these things. Some over-exaggerated, some under-exaggerated, but some truths were withheld.

actually if you want to get in the details, heroin isnt dangerous at all, its just really addictive, the dangerous part is that people use dirty needles
Here's my pharmacutical rule of thumb. The more you have to process it, the worse it is for you. Pot is as natural as i comes, its just a leaf. Tobacco is processed a little, cocain is next on the list, then heroin, and for meth you practically have to own a full high school chemistry lab. Plants usually don't kill people, but strange chemicals have a way of fucking you up royally.

hemlock is just a leaf.

cancer meds are often full of chemical compounds that are manmade.

how damaging something is is determined by the end results of ingesting/injecting it, not by how much processing is done to it. You can make some observations about correlation.. but if you took all of the chemicals that went into meth and ingested them, you'd be just as fucked if not more, and they went through 1 less processing step

 

[Seanchaidh]

but is it fair to call an exaggeration a lie just because it doesn't apply absolutely?

Yes. Yes it is.

 

[0p3rati0n]

When I was in health class back in middle school they showed us about inhalants and man did they show it in a scary and mind burning way. Point is is that drug programs need to scare people into say that drugs are bad. Instead of showing us a "kid friendly way".

 

[Hikikomori Ookami]

Slightly off-topic, but in junior high sex-ed they tried telling us that you could get AIDS just by thinkin about sex. At least by then everyone knows enough that we all just looked at the instructor and thought "This guy's an effin idiot!"

 

[matsugawa]

but is it fair to call an exaggeration a lie just because it doesn't apply absolutely?

Yes. Yes it is.

Don't you think that's rather black-or-white? Lies only or truth absolutely with no middle-grounds, no lesser-yin/yang to the greater? DARE can't tailor-make outcomes for experimentation because they don't know individuals, but that's not the point. It's like with gun control: certain groups will say thousands of children die from playing with guns in their own homes each year while others will say the actual number of casualties is ONLY 150... So what? does that mean there's an acceptable loss? Is it LESS of a problem to be concerned over because it's a smaller number? Does it really matter how many people die from or ruin their lives because of their addictions?
By exaggerating the statistics, is the whole entire point invalidated?

 

[ae86gamer]

I feel like I was never given the full truth. Half of the time everyone was asking the cop dumb questions, like what it feels like to be shot in the face, and the rest of the time was spent watching low quality made movies made in the 70's.

They should show this clip instead.

 

[Ohten]

I feel like I was never given the full truth. Half of the time everyone was asking the cop dumb questions, like what it feels like to be shot in the face, and the rest of the time was spent watching low quality made movies made in the 70's.

They should show this clip instead.

Love the opening/closing music.

 

[NeutralDrow]

The whole 'rotting banana' quip and idioms along those lines, in the context of DARE or any other sort of motivational speech, is built around the philosophical principle of 'shoot for the stars, land on the moon." They tell us that 'Drugs are evil' 'They fund terrorism' or 'They'll make you a crackhouse-lounging degenerate' because that CAN be the worst case scenario, even if it may not actually be so. So, yeah, it may seem like we were 'lied to' once we see the not-so-bad reality (or majority case, as it were), but is it fair to call an exaggeration a lie just because it doesn't apply absolutely?

To correct that metaphor, DARE was a case of aiming for the stars and having your fuel source explode. Exaggerations are the next thing to flat-out lies, and the effect they have on peoples' trust is the same.

Someone else put this much more eloquently than me.

The studies argued that the program's use of "drugs are everywhere, fucking run!" type of messages amounted to hyperbole, and kids don't like hyperbole. All it takes is the kid having one drug-using friend for him to recognize that, no, a single bong hit can't make your brain go running out of your ears like strawberry jam. And if that part is wrong, hell, maybe the whole thing is.

When are we going to figure out that even kids have bullshit detectors?

Source [http://www.cracked.com/article_17224_5-retarded-health-campaigns-that-backfired-hilariously.html].