Poll: Do you support compulsory military service?
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Other. I belive it would help the US to force everyone to serve for one tour, but on the other hand it would compleatly defeat what we are trying to promote. That is free choice. The draft on the other hand is A OK. If things get so bad as to inact the draft we are all going to war. Some of you think that you will get a nice office job, but you are wrong. Think about Vietnam, no desk jobs there.
Only the Air force uses the m16 as there main rifle anymore, and if it comes to the point where the airforce has to fight on the ground, your probably screwed anyway.TestECull said:
We get that here in Finland. If you don't want it, you get civil service, which is automatically twice as long (as the minimum service time). And in practice that means you'll spend your year wiping the elderly's behinds in a home or otherwise "serving" the country. And you even have to find your working place yourself for that year.
And the funniest part? You're actually less likely to get employed if you didn't go to army, since you're not a man and obviously cannot be trusted with any kind of demanding work. Or at least many employers here still check if you've served and make their judgement at least partially on that.
Oh, what's that? You think compulsory service's not good, or you're against armed conflict or something else? And you think civil service sounds like a bad way to spend a year? Well, then you go to spend your year in jail. Which officially won't get you a crime registry but apparently off the record gets you listed in many places.
So it's a bit shit. Especially considering how our military's not very good any more, and a professional army would, in my, and many others' opinion, work a lot better.
On a sidenote, many people are apparently cheating the system anyway by feigning mental instability when they're already in the army. That gets you sent home right quick (from what I hear, at least), and you don't exactly have to flip out and start shooting people. A friend of mine who's already served told me that one soldier (either he was still a recruit or already a private, I don't remember) started smashing himself in the head with his rifle butt during practice, and after a few hours of discussion was already on his way home.
Not that I advocate it, but there you go.
And the funniest part? You're actually less likely to get employed if you didn't go to army, since you're not a man and obviously cannot be trusted with any kind of demanding work. Or at least many employers here still check if you've served and make their judgement at least partially on that.
Oh, what's that? You think compulsory service's not good, or you're against armed conflict or something else? And you think civil service sounds like a bad way to spend a year? Well, then you go to spend your year in jail. Which officially won't get you a crime registry but apparently off the record gets you listed in many places.
So it's a bit shit. Especially considering how our military's not very good any more, and a professional army would, in my, and many others' opinion, work a lot better.
On a sidenote, many people are apparently cheating the system anyway by feigning mental instability when they're already in the army. That gets you sent home right quick (from what I hear, at least), and you don't exactly have to flip out and start shooting people. A friend of mine who's already served told me that one soldier (either he was still a recruit or already a private, I don't remember) started smashing himself in the head with his rifle butt during practice, and after a few hours of discussion was already on his way home.
Not that I advocate it, but there you go.
Only when the countries under attack or if the country seems to be at total peace, combat experience and survival skills.
The Air Force has its own fleet of trucks, mecanics for thoes trucks, drivers for thoes trucks, convoy training for thoes troops going to the Middle East, and Airmen on the ground right now. The Air Force also has an elite Security Forces unit specifically trained to secure buildings. http://www.airmanonline.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123193069 But, on that note every service has troops on the ground, even the Navy. As for the M16 argument... The Air Force, Army, and Marines still use it. I hate Wikipedia, but it pulled the information together for me instead of haveing to link several sources. Lesser evil right? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M16_rifleTanner The Monotone said:
I made sure the picture showed the ABU, not the DCUs, so there could be no question if they are AF or not. It's so hard to find a good picture of the ABUs, most of the pictures on the internet are so far away you can't tell if they are ABUs or ACUs.
I only took an interest in this because my father served two tours on the ground in Desert Storm/Shield and two years as a ground troop in South Korea as part of our remaining deterrence force. You might have guessed it, but he was in the AF.
I don't support compulsory military service, but compulsory civil service I do support. Some sort of public service to the country under the employment of the federal or maybe even state government. Military service would be one way to do it but far from the only one.
Well,yeah,the other armed forces use it for training purposes, but the airforce use it as their main rifle.Sarge034 said:The Air Force has its own fleet of trucks, mecanics for thoes trucks, drivers for thoes trucks, convoy training for thoes troops going to the Middle East, and Airmen on the ground right now. The Air Force also has an elite Security Forces unit specifically trained to secure buildings. http://www.airmanonline.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123193069 But, on that note every service has troops on the ground, even the Navy. As for the M16 argument... The Air Force, Army, and Marines still use it. I hate Wikipedia, but it pulled the information together for me instead of haveing to link several sources. Lesser evil right? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M16_rifleTanner The Monotone said:
I made sure the picture showed the ABU, not the DCUs, so there could be no question if they are AF or not. It's so hard to find a good picture of the ABUs, most of the pictures on the internet are so far away you can't tell if they are ABUs or ACUs.
I only took an interest in this because my father served two tours on the ground in Desert Storm/Shield and two years as a ground troop in South Korea as part of our remaining deterrence force. You might have guessed it, but he was in the AF.
OT- I'm still gonna go with it would help our society in the US to force one tour, BUT that would also destroy what we are fighting for. The right to be free.
About the ground force thing, it was kind of an army joke.
I'm all for a good branch joke, but I did put the hyperlink about the M16 in there so you could read it.Tanner The Monotone said:Well,yeah,the other armed forces use it for training purposes, but the airforce use it as their main rifle.Sarge034 said:The Air Force has its own fleet of trucks, mecanics for thoes trucks, drivers for thoes trucks, convoy training for thoes troops going to the Middle East, and Airmen on the ground right now. The Air Force also has an elite Security Forces unit specifically trained to secure buildings. http://www.airmanonline.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123193069 But, on that note every service has troops on the ground, even the Navy. As for the M16 argument... The Air Force, Army, and Marines still use it. I hate Wikipedia, but it pulled the information together for me instead of haveing to link several sources. Lesser evil right? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M16_rifleTanner The Monotone said:
I made sure the picture showed the ABU, not the DCUs, so there could be no question if they are AF or not. It's so hard to find a good picture of the ABUs, most of the pictures on the internet are so far away you can't tell if they are ABUs or ACUs.
I only took an interest in this because my father served two tours on the ground in Desert Storm/Shield and two years as a ground troop in South Korea as part of our remaining deterrence force. You might have guessed it, but he was in the AF.
OT- I'm still gonna go with it would help our society in the US to force one tour, BUT that would also destroy what we are fighting for. The right to be free.
About the ground force thing, it was kind of an army joke.
M16A3The M16A3 was a fully-automatic variant of the M16A2 adopted in small numbers around the time of the introduction of the M16A2, primarily by the U.S. Navy for use by SEAL, Seabee, and Security units.[65] It features the M16A1 trigger group providing "safe", "semi-automatic", and "fully-automatic" modes.
The M16A3 is often incorrectly described as the fully-automatic version of the M16A4 or an M16A2 with a Picatinny rail. This misunderstanding likely stems from the use of the "A3" designation by Colt and other manufacturers to describe commercial AR-15 type rifles before the official adoption of the M16A3 or M16A4. Colt used the "A3" designation in the hopes of winning military contracts as they also did with the terms, "M4" and "M5".
The M16A4, now standard issue for front-line U.S. Marine Corps and some U.S. Army units, replaces the combination fixed carry handle/rear iron sight with a MIL-STD-1913 Picatinny rail, allowing for the rifle to be equipped with a carry handle and/or most military and consumer scopes or sighting systems.[65] Military issue rifles are also equipped with a Knight's Armament Company M5 RAS handguard, allowing vertical grips, lasers, tactical lights, and other accessories to be attached, coining the designation M16A4 MWS (or Modular Weapon System) in U.S. Army field manuals.[66]
Thanks for taking the time to type it out, the link wasn't loading for some reason.Sarge034 said:I'm all for a good branch joke, but I did put the hyperlink about the M16 in there so you could read it.Tanner The Monotone said:Well,yeah,the other armed forces use it for training purposes, but the airforce use it as their main rifle.Sarge034 said:The Air Force has its own fleet of trucks, mecanics for thoes trucks, drivers for thoes trucks, convoy training for thoes troops going to the Middle East, and Airmen on the ground right now. The Air Force also has an elite Security Forces unit specifically trained to secure buildings. http://www.airmanonline.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123193069 But, on that note every service has troops on the ground, even the Navy. As for the M16 argument... The Air Force, Army, and Marines still use it. I hate Wikipedia, but it pulled the information together for me instead of haveing to link several sources. Lesser evil right? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M16_rifleTanner The Monotone said:
I made sure the picture showed the ABU, not the DCUs, so there could be no question if they are AF or not. It's so hard to find a good picture of the ABUs, most of the pictures on the internet are so far away you can't tell if they are ABUs or ACUs.
I only took an interest in this because my father served two tours on the ground in Desert Storm/Shield and two years as a ground troop in South Korea as part of our remaining deterrence force. You might have guessed it, but he was in the AF.
OT- I'm still gonna go with it would help our society in the US to force one tour, BUT that would also destroy what we are fighting for. The right to be free.
About the ground force thing, it was kind of an army joke.
M16A3The M16A3 was a fully-automatic variant of the M16A2 adopted in small numbers around the time of the introduction of the M16A2, primarily by the U.S. Navy for use by SEAL, Seabee, and Security units.[65] It features the M16A1 trigger group providing "safe", "semi-automatic", and "fully-automatic" modes.
The M16A3 is often incorrectly described as the fully-automatic version of the M16A4 or an M16A2 with a Picatinny rail. This misunderstanding likely stems from the use of the "A3" designation by Colt and other manufacturers to describe commercial AR-15 type rifles before the official adoption of the M16A3 or M16A4. Colt used the "A3" designation in the hopes of winning military contracts as they also did with the terms, "M4" and "M5".
The M16A4, now standard issue for front-line U.S. Marine Corps and some U.S. Army units, replaces the combination fixed carry handle/rear iron sight with a MIL-STD-1913 Picatinny rail, allowing for the rifle to be equipped with a carry handle and/or most military and consumer scopes or sighting systems.[65] Military issue rifles are also equipped with a Knight's Armament Company M5 RAS handguard, allowing vertical grips, lasers, tactical lights, and other accessories to be attached, coining the designation M16A4 MWS (or Modular Weapon System) in U.S. Army field manuals.[66]
No. Granted, people should be willing to fight for their freedom, but only when it's threatened, and this seems like a lack of freedom anyway 
Besides which, I fucking hated the cadet unit at my school. I can't imagine two years of compulsory service in the army...
Besides which, I fucking hated the cadet unit at my school. I can't imagine two years of compulsory service in the army...
Honestly some of the dirt bags I knew in bootcamp/Navy.
It changed them for the better, unless of course they did everything in their power to be kicked out (drugs use ect)
It kills racism, sexism, and really even class issues...
When you know the guy next to you will save you just because it's what ya do and you'd do it for anyone who needed it...
You break away from the whiny social blaming whitey for holding everyone down...ect. When the bullets fly and everyones head is down under cover fighting back... You come together like you wouldn't believe.
As for not wanting a typical American idiot behind a rifle...
Bootcamp transforms damn near everyone into least someone with some self control and mind set to do shit right.
It changed them for the better, unless of course they did everything in their power to be kicked out (drugs use ect)
It kills racism, sexism, and really even class issues...
When you know the guy next to you will save you just because it's what ya do and you'd do it for anyone who needed it...
You break away from the whiny social blaming whitey for holding everyone down...ect. When the bullets fly and everyones head is down under cover fighting back... You come together like you wouldn't believe.
As for not wanting a typical American idiot behind a rifle...
Bootcamp transforms damn near everyone into least someone with some self control and mind set to do shit right.
Absolutely not. A person should not have to be forced to do anything against their will. Is it right to force a conscientious objector to fight for a cause they don't believe in?
Wow, the thing didn't open! I hate this stupid computer!Sarge034 said:Are you kidding? I'm not that dedicated. Coppy Pasta FTW.Tanner The Monotone said:
This is a good military joke, if you know how people percive the different branches.
