Poll: do you support the afghan war
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Okay I just looked it up, Afghanistan has NO repeat NO massive oil deposits, the most that was ever involved was a pipeline through afghanistanAkai Shizuku said:
Do I get a cookie now?
I feel that going to war with Afghanistan was the right thing to do seven years ago but that with the U.S economy in the toilet it has simply become yet another way for my government to hemorrhage money. Unfortunately if we leave it will become even worse for the people living there so we are caught between a rock and a hard place.
I do actually support the war. In Iraq I thought it was a bad move, but in Afghanistan I think we might actually do some good. We need to end Al-Qaeda's reign of terror in the border regions of Pakistan. They are killing thousands of innocent people, and continue to plan attacks that may eventually rival the terror of September 11th. The fact that Obama plans on pulling all troops out of Iraq by the end of 2011, regardless of how many he puts back into Afghanistan, is an excellent step. I could go more into detail about my rationale, but I was working all day, and I'm exhausted...
Right, because the Taliban totally deserved all that money, and none of the foreign aid that America gives to other countries counts at all, and slaughtering innocent people is completley justified by the fact that someone had to revise America's finances and realized that they couldn't give Afghanistan the money that they were promised but didn't do anything to deserve. Uh-huh. Gotcha.kahlzun said:
The French also provided the crucial support that allowed us to win our revolution in the first place, I may tease the French, but I give credit where credit is due.MA7743W said:
It's hard to blindly support the war in its entirety, given that WE (the U.S.) gave these people most of their guns. I support the retributive effort against those who attacked us, but I think it's important to remember that we're the ones that armed those people back in the Cold War.
I think it's important that we remember where they got their guns, so that perhaps next time, we could prevent all this by not giving people guns.
I think it's important that we remember where they got their guns, so that perhaps next time, we could prevent all this by not giving people guns.
I support real wars...
like World War II
or...
kcuf someone name a good war that was worth something
like World War II
or...
kcuf someone name a good war that was worth something
sounds like a rocking universe, though with my cynicleist thinking I think they'd find a way to start a war somehow (they as being superpowers of earth)Chipperz said:
now my history is just pants but wasn't there a particular German politician who had a good hold on europe (not necesailily by military force either) before some other chap came into the picture and essentially started World War 1? meaning if the before man stayed in power that would have also averted the war? sorry about my vague points his name just escapes me
The involvement of the US in the rise to power of the taliban is tangential at best. We funded the resistance against soviet occupation and this funding/training can be traced inevitably to the taliban taking power.kahlzun said:
So has every world power. We aren't special.kahlzun said:
This has also happened to every world power. Again, we aren't special.kahlzun said:
I'll generally agree with your position. Terrorism is not an ideology to stand against or something that can be "fought". It is a tactic in warfare, like any other. I will stake anything I own that our current enemies would gladly meet us in open battle if they thought they had any chance at victory. One doesn't chart a course down the path of asymetic warfare in all it's shades of moral ambiguity because it's a good way to win a war, but because it's the only option left open to you.kahlzun said:
Depending on who's numbers you believe, the war in Iraq has caused the death of somewhere between 100,000 and 1 million + iraqi's. When I was deployed the first time, they were finding hundreds of headless corpses every DAY in baghdad.Insanum said:
i cast flame on this thread!!!!
but really, its our problem, let us do our thing. im sure you dont like us critizing yall, so critizing us is just as unliked
but really, its our problem, let us do our thing. im sure you dont like us critizing yall, so critizing us is just as unliked
At this point I'm neutral on the whole idea. Honestly I think we need to pull out of both Iraq and Afghanistan and let them at least try to stand on their own legs with their own military.
And no it's not directly Afghanistan's fault for the dwindling US economy. If anything, the fact that we've expended so much federal funds into the country is putting our own country in the poor house.
And no it's not directly Afghanistan's fault for the dwindling US economy. If anything, the fact that we've expended so much federal funds into the country is putting our own country in the poor house.
Yeah I support it, although that dick wit bush made a hash of it with Iraq, I was definately against the Iraq invasion before it even happened, but ultimately the Taliban and all the other caliphate mongers are a remnant from the cold war, still feeding off the petro dollars, kidnapping, piracy and the opium trade to fund there global jihad to establish a imperial Islamic caliphate, after a succession of strikes against American embassies and instalation's around the world,(I'm not even going to go into the number of strikes against minorities in Islamic regions they committed), it all came to its ultimate head on september the 11th when they struck down around 3000 US civilians in the worlds biggest terror attack.
The Taliban were actually given the opportunity to hand over the most extreme of there number ala Al Quaeda, they refused even in the face of global condemnation. The rest is history, as for the way the bush administration handled the entire affair, no I don't support that!!! it was a debacle, not enough troops on the ground to begin with, so no confirmation as to the demise or capture of the heads of this multi-headed viper, they deployed a fraction of the forces they put into Iraq, who inconveniently under Saddam were one of Al Quaedas most feared opponents, I can't condone not trying to use diplomacy as war is and always should be a last resort.
Looking at bushes administration choosing to not sit down and talk with regimes he decided he did not like, that had a far greater understanding and intelligence as to the properties of these organisations was complete and utter lunacy from a tactical stand point. Thank god history has finally seen the back of that particular ass.
As for blaming the Terrorists, for the current global economic crisis, thats a trickier charge to lay, although Sept 11th did have an impact, mobilising one of the worlds largest military forces on 2 separate invasions on the other side of the world can't have done much for the fuel stocks of the world combining this with the fed reserves 1% interest loans to prop up the economy post 9/11, and the subsequent surge in projects around the world due to this surplus of cheap funding, created even further pressure on fuel stocks, add to the mix the bush admins love of removal of regulation and outsourcing to private sector multinational companies, and there you have your global economic disaster. As the fuel supply can't meet demand, costs go up and finally in the face of massive devaluation of the US dollar, interest rates creep up and cheap finances dry up leading to recession,
I recall watching the both the global stock markets and and property markets reach Astronomical highs of over valuation, and cringing in horror as I realised that most of my freinds had no concept that such portents had only been witnessed for this length of time before the great depression.
I am also not naive enough to believe that these Terror groups are isolated to Afghanistan and northern Pakistan, as splinters of there works can be found through out Africa and south east Asia.
The Taliban were actually given the opportunity to hand over the most extreme of there number ala Al Quaeda, they refused even in the face of global condemnation. The rest is history, as for the way the bush administration handled the entire affair, no I don't support that!!! it was a debacle, not enough troops on the ground to begin with, so no confirmation as to the demise or capture of the heads of this multi-headed viper, they deployed a fraction of the forces they put into Iraq, who inconveniently under Saddam were one of Al Quaedas most feared opponents, I can't condone not trying to use diplomacy as war is and always should be a last resort.
Looking at bushes administration choosing to not sit down and talk with regimes he decided he did not like, that had a far greater understanding and intelligence as to the properties of these organisations was complete and utter lunacy from a tactical stand point. Thank god history has finally seen the back of that particular ass.
As for blaming the Terrorists, for the current global economic crisis, thats a trickier charge to lay, although Sept 11th did have an impact, mobilising one of the worlds largest military forces on 2 separate invasions on the other side of the world can't have done much for the fuel stocks of the world combining this with the fed reserves 1% interest loans to prop up the economy post 9/11, and the subsequent surge in projects around the world due to this surplus of cheap funding, created even further pressure on fuel stocks, add to the mix the bush admins love of removal of regulation and outsourcing to private sector multinational companies, and there you have your global economic disaster. As the fuel supply can't meet demand, costs go up and finally in the face of massive devaluation of the US dollar, interest rates creep up and cheap finances dry up leading to recession,
I recall watching the both the global stock markets and and property markets reach Astronomical highs of over valuation, and cringing in horror as I realised that most of my freinds had no concept that such portents had only been witnessed for this length of time before the great depression.
I am also not naive enough to believe that these Terror groups are isolated to Afghanistan and northern Pakistan, as splinters of there works can be found through out Africa and south east Asia.