Well the Americans started the problem in their eagerness to get one over on Russia, so they can finish it. The only reason British soldiers are over there is because of our "Special Relationship" with America.
Poll: do you support the afghan war
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The Afghanistan war is a little more complicated than the Iraqi war.
The late goverment in Afghanistan was suporting Al Qaeda in the 9/11 attack. It was not wrong to topple the talibanrule in Afghanistan, but there is no way that this almost 8 year occupation can be defended. it only proves the Bush-administrations incompetense.
To all you who blame Afghanistan for the economical crisis we have entered today I will state three facts I hope will give you more insight in how the crisis became reality:
1) Bush pushed large amounts of money in his wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
2) Bush drasticly reduced taxes for the rich part of america, reducing goverment income on a crippling rate.
3)The last 10-15 years there has been a lot od speculation on the stockmarketing. Such speculation has always ended in a crack eventually. I think we are currently in the 5th or 6th big crack.
The late goverment in Afghanistan was suporting Al Qaeda in the 9/11 attack. It was not wrong to topple the talibanrule in Afghanistan, but there is no way that this almost 8 year occupation can be defended. it only proves the Bush-administrations incompetense.
To all you who blame Afghanistan for the economical crisis we have entered today I will state three facts I hope will give you more insight in how the crisis became reality:
1) Bush pushed large amounts of money in his wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
2) Bush drasticly reduced taxes for the rich part of america, reducing goverment income on a crippling rate.
3)The last 10-15 years there has been a lot od speculation on the stockmarketing. Such speculation has always ended in a crack eventually. I think we are currently in the 5th or 6th big crack.
Holy mother of grilled cheeses, I can literally feel the patriotism/ hatred for most things American ( and all things United Statesian) radiating off this thread...
Yes. The work that US, British and other UN soldiers are doing isn't all good, but if they left, it would just plunge the country in a far worse state than it already is, with the Taliban and warlords gradually regaining their confidence and power and plunging the country back into a bloodbath. I'm not saying the war is perfect, as it is very difficult to fight an enemy who can just blend back in the with the crowd once he's done fighting, and the reasons the US went to war in the first place is dubious (massive oil reserves?). Sure, the battle plan isn't perfect and doesn't seem to have been thought out very well, and the elections were a disaster, but think of all those girls who get to go to school, have an education, and a decent life free from the shackles of extremist Islam culture that was in place when the Taliban were in power. They were beheading women in football stadiums.
Sure, as I've said, it's no perfect. But it's right.
Sure, as I've said, it's no perfect. But it's right.
well shite, its the only important war we've got at the moment so we'll just have to deal with it. but after at the war with the towel-heads(if you report me for speaking my mind your really, really GAY!) i want a war with the Canadians, they need a good ole ass kicking.
I don't support the reasons and motives behind the war, I do however support our troops over there.
Actually there are reasons why we could, or rather should have avoided WW1. Not in the sense that we should have not interfered, but that it was an avoidable and appaling war.axia777 said:
WW2 was probably one of the only times a war could have been defined as "necessary". It couldn't have not been fought.
If France and England had put their foot down on stuff like his re-occupation of the Rhineland and the Sudetenland, Hitler may not have had the confidence to wage war. But they were convinced the best way to stop war was to appease him. Silly Frengland.Octorok said:
My history teacher must be so proud right now.
war is always an ugly dirty business. But sometimes its necessary. The Afghan war should have started back in the 80's with the bombing of the barracks and contimued through the FIRST time the WTC towers were bombed but instead we decided to be the "bigger" person and let it go. then the USS Cole was bombed (there pretty sure it was funded by Al Quida now, but at the time they were like wtf is a terrorist) but really for the here and now when they took the towers down that was the final straw. I cant imagine after so many attacks any country would be like "lets talk about it".
So I'm going to call this one that needs to be fought because we let them slide for too long. 30+ years of running from the problem is long enough. We might as well take more of them out than what they inflict on us because they wont stop until they destroy anything that isn't as crazy as themselves.
BUT
Do I agree with the way its been fought? Some things worked, others haven't. We should have used a REAL full out military strike instead of sending troops here and there. The new tactic of falling back to the major cities is all well and fine but the people we leave behind are all going to get slaughtered by a terrorist resurgence. We only have to look back a few months to what happened to Pakistan to know that. Its not rocket science. We needed to keep the politicians out of it. Wars are the military's job, not some lawyer from Chicago or some cowboy from Texas. Leave it to the military.
What I do agree with is the use of UAV's, that has been a huge success and has been responsible for eliminating most of Al Quidas top people.
anyway that's pretty much my views in a nutshell, the only toes I'm trying to step on are the toes that belong to some machete waving nut job so don't take offense if we don't see perfectly.
So I'm going to call this one that needs to be fought because we let them slide for too long. 30+ years of running from the problem is long enough. We might as well take more of them out than what they inflict on us because they wont stop until they destroy anything that isn't as crazy as themselves.
BUT
Do I agree with the way its been fought? Some things worked, others haven't. We should have used a REAL full out military strike instead of sending troops here and there. The new tactic of falling back to the major cities is all well and fine but the people we leave behind are all going to get slaughtered by a terrorist resurgence. We only have to look back a few months to what happened to Pakistan to know that. Its not rocket science. We needed to keep the politicians out of it. Wars are the military's job, not some lawyer from Chicago or some cowboy from Texas. Leave it to the military.
What I do agree with is the use of UAV's, that has been a huge success and has been responsible for eliminating most of Al Quidas top people.
anyway that's pretty much my views in a nutshell, the only toes I'm trying to step on are the toes that belong to some machete waving nut job so don't take offense if we don't see perfectly.
Sorry to dissapoint you, but I think that you are the one who needs a reality check. There are Generals in the U.S. army who think of the war on terror as a "Holy War". So, this whole "kill the infidel" thing is happening on both sides.JWAN said:
P.S. The Taliban also kill Muslims. Just so you know.
Lol.open trap said:
Actually, most of the economic damage the US has suffered over the last few years is because of the money wasted by the military in it's wars.
Oh, by the way, winning a war 300 years ago doesn't make you right,it just means you won a war 300 years ago.James Cassidy said:
Although, I do agree that it should be 9/11. Since it happened to America, in America, it should probably go with your dating system.
Also, did you just base your argument on a blatant stereotype? Why don't you throw the ol' "cheese eating surrender monkeys" line in there?