Poll: Do You Think A Game With A Homosexual Lead Could Survive?

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Florion

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Thanatos34: I like your answer to my question. <3 But since I haven't got anything to say beyond "cookies for you!" I don't think it warrants quoting your whole post again. xP

So I'm finding it interesting that the discussion is going like this:
?I wouldn't want to play a gay man even if I weren't/am not homophobic
?A game with a gay protagonist wouldn't be commercially successful (even if I would really like to see/play one)
?I have no problem with a game with a gay protagonist being made, I just wouldn't play it

And the polls are now at 100 to 33, Yes it would succeed to No it wouldn't (as I'm looking at it; I post reaaally slowly x_x).
 

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Not to offend but no, I don't think it'd work. There are too many people with narrow minds who wouldn't buy it for that very reason, even if it was an astounding game. Its a depressing life we live in...
 

RazielDethAngel

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In the end what it comes down to is I would want a homosexual lead to survive and prove it can be done but their is still such a large amount of homophobics out there
 

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Only if the game was good, and the main character's sexuality was an important element of the story and not just a novelty.

Sort of like, you know...with every other game out there.

EDIT: Oh wait, for people in general? No way, man, it'd get destroyed.
 

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WrongSprite said:
Xabekrn said:
I Don't recall link being gay and IDK if its been asked before lol I didn't ask if it had xD. And I don't mean like how you can choose to be gay in Fable I mean like what if a new Tales game came out (I'm a big Tales fan) and the love intrest was Man and Man
We care if its been asked before because a million of these threads already fucking exist

Scuse m'language.
Then Why did you even come to this topic? you're the one that made it a waste of your time If you see a topic you've seen before simply don't go to it....and after you use vulgar language in a forum there is no point in putting scuse m'language
 

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not in texas (no that was mean) maybe im sure a lot of people would be put off by it, im sure fangirls (the wierd ones) would love it >.>
 

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Thanatos34 said:
xxhazyshadowsxx said:
It happened with Fear Effect, so sure.
Never heard of this game, and the wiki entry said nothing about the lead being gay, which I think it would mention. Who was gay? Hana, Glas, or Deke?

Also, this would probably be the best way to do it in RPG form, have the gamer play a few different characters and have one of them be gay.

Edit: Any game that sells it's rights to Uwe Boll... ugh. Shun it. SHUN IT. But did this game do well?
Wikipedia is about as reliable as a blind man telling you about the cosmos. I only vaguely know the storyline, but the 2 female lead roles were lesbians.
 

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mykalwane said:
Wyatt I agree with you that a game should be for something you enjoy playing. Though it is interesting that you bring up the deal of values when no ones is the same. If that is the case does any value even matter.

Though I think when it comes down to it, if the game is good it will be played.
i agree, 'values' are what people use to describe what their immagination is telling them 'other people' are thinking about something. trouble is its pretty common and often right in aplication if not in reality. people vote their 'values' because their neighbor said they were gunna, not because these things actualy MEAN anything to them in a real way. why would people who dont even play video games care whats in them? <--- thats a dose of reality. 'values' will tell you that your neighbor doesnt like something so in the interest of 'getting along' and since it doesnt really matter to you anyhow you agree with him, truth be damned.

i only brought up the 'values' point because its valid and true. a game like that would be made with an agenda. and would be MET by a counter agenda. there is no reason to make a game with a gay lead OTHER than to push a POLITICAL agenda. the fact is that any game, no matter HOW 'epic' it was, if it had a gay lead, the game would be swamped under in the instant debate/argument/flame/political war that it would open up. the truth is, sad or not, that the topic of 'gay' would far far far out shine the merits of ANY game from a gamer point of view, and from a none gamer point of view it automaticaly breaks down into the old gay/anti-gay battle lines, with the edge going to the 'save our children' croud. the game companys are allready 'programming our children' with drugs, violence and sex, add in homosexuality and your are pushing pure devil worshipping now.

some people may enjoy that kind of thing, and there are some valid arguments (some made in this thread) to support or oppose the topic, but i for one am tired of hearing about the whole gay debate. i know literaly thousands of people, and out of that many maybe 3 are gay, its just not something that i care to waste time on or have my chose form of entertainment turned into a political farse because of someone elses 'moral values', no matter HOW they may feel about homosexuality.

go haul around your "God hates fags" and "were here were queer get used to it" signs someplace else please, i just want to enjoy my gaming and leave my politics for the forums, the bars, and the voting booth.
 

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xxhazyshadowsxx said:
Thanatos34 said:
xxhazyshadowsxx said:
It happened with Fear Effect, so sure.
Never heard of this game, and the wiki entry said nothing about the lead being gay, which I think it would mention. Who was gay? Hana, Glas, or Deke?

Also, this would probably be the best way to do it in RPG form, have the gamer play a few different characters and have one of them be gay.

Edit: Any game that sells it's rights to Uwe Boll... ugh. Shun it. SHUN IT. But did this game do well?
Wikipedia is about as reliable as a blind man telling you about the cosmos. I only vaguely know the storyline, but the 2 female lead roles were lesbians.
1. Wikipedia is more reliable than the current version of the Encyclopedia. (91.3% accuracy vs 91.1% accuracy, basically the same.)
2. There weren't two female lead roles, there was one, (this according to Gamespot's review of the game).
3. No review has mentioned anything about any of the characters being gay/lesbian/straight/bi, in fact, nothing is mentioned about any romance at all.

You sure this is the game you are thinking of?
 

Thanatos34

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RazielDethAngel said:
In the end what it comes down to is I would want a homosexual lead to survive and prove it can be done but their is still such a large amount of homophobics out there
People besides homophobes wouldn't play it. Please don't make the mistake of the moralists and separate everyone into two groups, in this case:

Homophobe- Does not like something about the gay movement.
Non-homophobe- Likes everything about the gay movement.

That's as irritating as someone going

Being gay is bad for everyone, and no one can/should be gay.

In fact I would say that the vast majority of the gaming community is not homophobic. I don't think that's why a game made in this manner would fail.
 

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It depends how would you define a game with a gay lead. And don't say "the definition is right there, you moron!", cause I think it all depends on what part of the gay lead spectrum the game would be in.

In many games, the protagonist's sexuality isn't even mentioned, and I don't think people care about it at all. If pushed, they'd probably say it's "straight", for no other reason than, 95% of population being straight, this can be easily called "norm".

If it's mentioned as part of backstory, or a few times within a game, but has no major influence on the story, I don't think anyone would care. Maybe a few anti-gay people would protest, and a few pro-gay would proclaim it a success (and that could marginally affect sales), but otherwise, I don't think it would matter.

If the game's built around the character being gay, frankly, I doubt you can make a good game out of that. Centering the whole plot around the character's sexuality... I don't think you can squeeze a good plot out of that.

On a similar note, if the game's made for no other purpose than to make a statement, I wouldn't play it, although I imagine people who would just to show how they "go against the flow". A game repeatedly bashing me over the head while proclaiming "homosexuality is good, embrace it!" (as well as one doing the same, only claiming homosexuality is bad) just wouldn't make it for me. I don't expect sermons from a game, I just want to play it and have fun (which doesn't have to be mindless fun, but please, save the preaching).

By the way, how would you define the gay character, in game? There are some gay people who behave like they were taken straight from a sitcom, but making a character like that would probably alienate people from both sides of the debate. So, how do you actually MAKE a gay character? Seeing as the only defining characteristic is a preference for the same gender, how would you go around constructing a gay character? If their orientation is only mentioned a few times, then I don't think anyone would care. If you decide to throw in a few gratuitious homosexual sex scenes, then I do believe a lot of gamers would feel grossed out, and no, this has nothing to do with "gay-hating". Just a scene with "two guys kissing", that I think depends on each individual gamer.

To round it all up, a good game will be good, a bad game will be bad. If the only selling point of a game is "it's main character's gay!", then it would probably be on the "bad" side. If the game's interesting, with a good plot, and the romantic plot is constructed well (so far, 99% of the games seem to take the "first we frag, then we shag" approach), then anything short of homosexual erotica would probably fail to put gamers off.

A long post, and an awfully written one, but just one more point I wanted to make. I don't think comparing gay leads and black leads is the way to go. A black character - well, that's just the same as a blue-eyed character, a big-nosed one, or, well, one with 10 TIMES AS MUCH MUSCLE MASS AS I HAVE. Skin colour is an outward characteristic, and does not affect beliefs, morals, or behaviour. A gay character, well, that one's pretty much DEFINED by differing in worldview. That's why, I think, it would be difficult or plainly impossible for most people to identify with a gay lead.
 

Thanatos34

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jeretik said:
Please someone ban threads about homosexuality

I haven't seen meaningful gaming thread here for two weeks now
This is a very relevant question. If you don't want to participate, then don't post.
 

Thanatos34

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Florion said:
Thanatos34: I like your answer to my question. <3 But since I haven't got anything to say beyond "cookies for you!" I don't think it warrants quoting your whole post again. xP

So I'm finding it interesting that the discussion is going like this:
?I wouldn't want to play a gay man even if I weren't/am not homophobic
?A game with a gay protagonist wouldn't be commercially successful (even if I would really like to see/play one)
?I have no problem with a game with a gay protagonist being made, I just wouldn't play it

And the polls are now at 100 to 33, Yes it would succeed to No it wouldn't (as I'm looking at it; I post reaaally slowly x_x).
Cookies!

I would also add

-A game with a lesbian lead would have no trouble doing well, let alone surviving.

Just to add the masses rampant hypocrisy into the mix, (mine, too, I admit it.)
 

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Thanatos34 said:
xxhazyshadowsxx said:
Thanatos34 said:
xxhazyshadowsxx said:
It happened with Fear Effect, so sure.
Never heard of this game, and the wiki entry said nothing about the lead being gay, which I think it would mention. Who was gay? Hana, Glas, or Deke?

Also, this would probably be the best way to do it in RPG form, have the gamer play a few different characters and have one of them be gay.

Edit: Any game that sells it's rights to Uwe Boll... ugh. Shun it. SHUN IT. But did this game do well?
Wikipedia is about as reliable as a blind man telling you about the cosmos. I only vaguely know the storyline, but the 2 female lead roles were lesbians.
1. Wikipedia is more reliable than the current version of the Encyclopedia. (91.3% accuracy vs 91.1% accuracy, basically the same.)
2. There weren't two female lead roles, there was one, (this according to Gamespot's review of the game).
3. No review has mentioned anything about any of the characters being gay/lesbian/straight/bi, in fact, nothing is mentioned about any romance at all.

You sure this is the game you are thinking of?
I believe the full title of it was: Fear Effect 2 (And I vaguely remmember a Blonde and Dark haired) were lesbians. That, I am sure of.
 

Thanatos34

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MaraudingChimpanzee said:
Abedeus said:
Wait, why would you make a gay character? What's the point? Just to show some support?
Why make a straight character? Why involve sexuality at all?
Because sexuality is part of life. If it is done in a tasteful way, I have no problem with it either way.

However, if it is gay sexuality, I simply would not have interest in playing it, as I'm not gay. Those who want to, go right ahead.