Poll: Do You Think A Game With A Homosexual Lead Could Survive?

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Thanatos34

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xxhazyshadowsxx said:
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xxhazyshadowsxx said:
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It happened with Fear Effect, so sure.
Never heard of this game, and the wiki entry said nothing about the lead being gay, which I think it would mention. Who was gay? Hana, Glas, or Deke?

Also, this would probably be the best way to do it in RPG form, have the gamer play a few different characters and have one of them be gay.

Edit: Any game that sells it's rights to Uwe Boll... ugh. Shun it. SHUN IT. But did this game do well?
Wikipedia is about as reliable as a blind man telling you about the cosmos. I only vaguely know the storyline, but the 2 female lead roles were lesbians.
1. Wikipedia is more reliable than the current version of the Encyclopedia. (91.3% accuracy vs 91.1% accuracy, basically the same.)
2. There weren't two female lead roles, there was one, (this according to Gamespot's review of the game).
3. No review has mentioned anything about any of the characters being gay/lesbian/straight/bi, in fact, nothing is mentioned about any romance at all.

You sure this is the game you are thinking of?
I believe the full title of it was: "Fear Effect 2: Double Helix" That rings a bell. I'm 99% sure.
Aah. Now Fear Effect 2, on the other hand, the first image that pops up is two girls in underclothes, one sitting on top of the other.

I do believe that proves the added 4th point:

A game with a lesbian lead would do well, not just survive.
 

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Not to offend but no, I don't think it'd work. There are too many people with narrow minds who wouldn't buy it for that very reason, even if it was an astounding game. Its a depressing life we live in...
I agree. But I think it's a matter of time before people like that are in the minority on the homosexual issue. Just like racists are in the minority now, and are frowned upon by most. It just takes time.. about the same amount of time it takes for a generation to die off.
 

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Unless the fact that the character is gay contributes to the story or gameplay in some way, there's no need to even bother with it. There's no reason to bother with any sexual orientation if it doesn't actually do anything for the game. And yeah, I'd play a game with a homosexual protagonist. Doesn't matter to me.
 

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Thanatos34 said:
xxhazyshadowsxx said:
Thanatos34 said:
xxhazyshadowsxx said:
Thanatos34 said:
xxhazyshadowsxx said:
It happened with Fear Effect, so sure.
Never heard of this game, and the wiki entry said nothing about the lead being gay, which I think it would mention. Who was gay? Hana, Glas, or Deke?

Also, this would probably be the best way to do it in RPG form, have the gamer play a few different characters and have one of them be gay.

Edit: Any game that sells it's rights to Uwe Boll... ugh. Shun it. SHUN IT. But did this game do well?
Wikipedia is about as reliable as a blind man telling you about the cosmos. I only vaguely know the storyline, but the 2 female lead roles were lesbians.
1. Wikipedia is more reliable than the current version of the Encyclopedia. (91.3% accuracy vs 91.1% accuracy, basically the same.)
2. There weren't two female lead roles, there was one, (this according to Gamespot's review of the game).
3. No review has mentioned anything about any of the characters being gay/lesbian/straight/bi, in fact, nothing is mentioned about any romance at all.

You sure this is the game you are thinking of?
I believe the full title of it was: "Fear Effect 2: Double Helix" That rings a bell. I'm 99% sure.
Aah. Now Fear Effect 2, on the other hand, the first image that pops up is two girls in underclothes, one sitting on top of the other.

I do believe that proves the added 4th point:

A game with a lesbian lead would do well, not just survive.
How right you are.. *Deep thought*
Hmmm... How right you are..
 

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It depends how would you define a game with a gay lead. And don't say "the definition is right there, you moron!", cause I think it all depends on what part of the gay lead spectrum the game would be in.

In many games, the protagonist's sexuality isn't even mentioned, and I don't think people care about it at all. If pushed, they'd probably say it's "straight", for no other reason than, 95% of population being straight, this can be easily called "norm".

If it's mentioned as part of backstory, or a few times within a game, but has no major influence on the story, I don't think anyone would care. Maybe a few anti-gay people would protest, and a few pro-gay would proclaim it a success (and that could marginally affect sales), but otherwise, I don't think it would matter.

If the game's built around the character being gay, frankly, I doubt you can make a good game out of that. Centering the whole plot around the character's sexuality... I don't think you can squeeze a good plot out of that.

On a similar note, if the game's made for no other purpose than to make a statement, I wouldn't play it, although I imagine people who would just to show how they "go against the flow". A game repeatedly bashing me over the head while proclaiming "homosexuality is good, embrace it!" (as well as one doing the same, only claiming homosexuality is bad) just wouldn't make it for me. I don't expect sermons from a game, I just want to play it and have fun (which doesn't have to be mindless fun, but please, save the preaching).

By the way, how would you define the gay character, in game? There are some gay people who behave like they were taken straight from a sitcom, but making a character like that would probably alienate people from both sides of the debate. So, how do you actually MAKE a gay character? Seeing as the only defining characteristic is a preference for the same gender, how would you go around constructing a gay character? If their orientation is only mentioned a few times, then I don't think anyone would care. If you decide to throw in a few gratuitious homosexual sex scenes, then I do believe a lot of gamers would feel grossed out, and no, this has nothing to do with "gay-hating". Just a scene with "two guys kissing", that I think depends on each individual gamer.

To round it all up, a good game will be good, a bad game will be bad. If the only selling point of a game is "it's main character's gay!", then it would probably be on the "bad" side. If the game's interesting, with a good plot, and the romantic plot is constructed well (so far, 99% of the games seem to take the "first we frag, then we shag" approach), then anything short of homosexual erotica would probably fail to put gamers off.

A long post, and an awfully written one, but just one more point I wanted to make. I don't think comparing gay leads and black leads is the way to go. A black character - well, that's just the same as a blue-eyed character, a big-nosed one, or, well, one with 10 TIMES AS MUCH MUSCLE MASS AS I HAVE. Skin colour is an outward characteristic, and does not affect beliefs, morals, or behaviour. A gay character, well, that one's pretty much DEFINED by differing in worldview. That's why, I think, it would be difficult or plainly impossible for most people to identify with a gay lead.
I think it was well written accept for the last part. Gays don't have different "world views" than us. They were born attracted to the same sex instead of the opposite sex. They still can be on either side of the spectrum politically, religiously, ect.

It wouldn't be any more difficult for a straight person to identify with a gay main character than to say: identify with a straight main character who's love interest is a woman that just doesn't appeal to you and you couldn't ever be attracted to, or a female main character who's love interest is a man.
I'd disagree. Do you know any gay person who takes the Bible literally? I don't see how they can. There are certain positions that they could not take, and, according to my friends, every last one of the gay/lesbians that they have met fall on the left side of the political spectrum.
 

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Next Mass Effect love interest! Though I don't know if they're serious enough about pushing that envelope. Yeah a gay lead could survive, Fable has already been mentioned. I think it's probable to see more in the future. The next question is, will we get a gay space marine killing undead mutants in a generic space ship/moon base/alien planet? Time will tell.

EDIT: Also, I think there's something missing here. I think, the necessity for sexual orientation to be defined stems from the inclusion of some level of love interest in most plot/story (I wont say driven because that's a joke) involving games. If it's rescue the princess or save the nurse from space zombies it doesn't really matter does it. As long as the player cares about them, then that's what matters(although it rarely happens). So yes if done right, it could work. Hell even if done in a manner that's just taking the piss, you could still end up having fun. I suppose my main point is, that everything about a player's character, or the NPC's in a game really just add colour to the game and rarely if ever affect gameplay.
 

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Thanatos34 said:
Just because I am accepting of a particular sexual orientation doesn't mean I wish I was said sexual orientation.
Did somebody want you to be gay and I missed that post? Why did you reply to me with that? I definitely don't care what sexuality you are.

Thanatos34 said:
Skin color is slightly different, a black person and I can have exactly the same beliefs and values, so I can pretend that I am actually in the game.
You and a homosexual can, too. You can have every other same belief and value, but differ on who you lay down with at night. So what?

Thanatos34 said:
A homosexual and I cannot, for we will always differ on at least one point. Which I consider a rather important point. He will always say A is better, and I will always say T is better.
Oh, apparently you can't. That whole "sex" thing really weighs heavily on your mind. That would have to suck.

But, you're right. We should only be making video games with the values and morals that you believe in. Stupid developers and their open minds.

Thanatos34 said:
Seriously, though, I doubt I would ever buy a game with a gay guy for a lead. Those who would want to do so, go right ahead. It just wouldn't click with me.
Why do people always end their rants like this? I'm not asking your permission to play games. How strange to think I'd even want it. Fine, games where a protagonist happens to find men attractive, despite it not having anything to do with anything, is absolutely impossible for you to play. I'm OK with you not playing those games. If you want my permission, then... fine?
 

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runtheplacered said:
Thanatos34 said:
Just because I am accepting of a particular sexual orientation doesn't mean I wish I was said sexual orientation.
Did somebody want you to be gay and I missed that post? Why did you reply to me with that? I definitely don't care what sexuality you are.

Thanatos34 said:
Skin color is slightly different, a black person and I can have exactly the same beliefs and values, so I can pretend that I am actually in the game.
You and a homosexual can, too. You can have every other same belief and value, but differ on who you lay down with at night. So what?

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A homosexual and I cannot, for we will always differ on at least one point. Which I consider a rather important point. He will always say A is better, and I will always say T is better.
Oh, apparently you can't. That whole "sex" thing really weighs heavily on your mind. That would have to suck.

But, you're right. We should only be making video games with the values and morals that you believe in. Stupid developers and their open minds.

Thanatos34 said:
Seriously, though, I doubt I would ever buy a game with a gay guy for a lead. Those who would want to do so, go right ahead. It just wouldn't click with me.
Why do people always end their rants like this? I'm not asking your permission to play games. How strange to think I'd even want it. Fine, games where a protagonist happens to find men attractive, despite it not having anything to do with anything, is absolutely impossible for you to play. I'm OK with you not playing those games. If you want my permission, then... fine?
1. It's because in an RPG, the way most people play it, is you wish you were the main character. Thus, I have no wish to be a gay guy.
2. Apparently you missed the whole sarcastic point regarding T&A. I thought it was pretty easily detectable. Especially since I started the next line with "seriously, though..."
3. My entire point was having the choice to be gay is fine, not having the choice, and having a lead that is gay was the whole point under discussion here.
4. I'm done arguing with you, because all you do is turn around and insult me by twisting what I said. Not to mention missing the entire point of my posts, which I feel no need to reiterate for your benefit.
 

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In my opinion it would'nt work
Why does sexaulity have to be an issue anyway
You rarely ever see in a non sandbox game a
character getting with one of the opposite sex

Also the majority of the world is straight,
the majority gamers are straight and if your having two guys make out ingame your asking to loose customers.
I dont want to see that and im sure most people dont.

I honestly dont see why they'd even need to mention that theyre lead character is gay ,
since in game's relationships rarely happen.
and if there is one he/she wouldnt have to announce it from the highest buildings.
It could be more a girl flirts with him and he says "sorry im not really interested in your type."
 

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punkhead58 said:
Ypu actually have the choice to be gay in Fable II and Bully.
Please read at least a few pages back before replying.

The whole issue is whether a game with a lead who is homosexual, no choice involved, would survive. I believe we've summed it up with

-It probably would survive because of the novelty, but probably wouldn't do well unless it didn't focus on the character's sexuality.
-If the lead was lesbian it would do very well, regardless. (Hypocritical society ftw.)
-A good portion of people wouldn't want to play a gay guy, even though they aren't homophobic, contrary to some of the activist's opinions in here.

And for that matter, you have the choice to be gay/lesbian in

Fable I, Fable II, Bully, Mass Effect, KotOR II, Jade Empire.

At least among the RPGs I've played.
 

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Desert_Storm said:
In my opinion it would'nt work
Why does sexaulity have to be an issue anyway
You rarely ever see in a non sandbox game a
character getting with one of the opposite sex

Also the majority of the world is straight,
the majority gamers are straight and if your having two guys make out ingame your asking to loose customers.
I dont want to see that and im sure most people dont.

I honestly dont see why they'd even need to mention that theyre lead character is gay ,
since in game's relationships rarely happen.
and if there is one he/she wouldnt have to announce it from the highest buildings.
It could be more a girl flirts with him and he says "sorry im not really interested in your type."
Random question. Why does everyone misspell lose as loose?

There are many, many games where relationships happen.
 

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Cliff_m85 said:
It already has survived, see Fable 2 or any Legend of Zelda game.
And Final Fantasy and Golden Sun games.

Seriously, if it's a good game it won't make a difference to me! But I bet there would be alot of idiots who would not play or watch anything with gays in it.
 

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notoriouslynx said:
No, a lot of people are stupid homophobes and will hate the game. I wouldn't care though. It doesn't matter for me as long as what kinda game it is, how good the game is, and how good the story is.
Seriously? Do some people just read the OP, and then reply? We've been over this.
 

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Random question. Why does everyone misspell lose as loose?

There are many, many games where relationships happen.
There are many which dont happen

Out of every game i own right now none have a relationship except GTA4
and thats only by choice
Some have a love interest
but love interest =/= relationship

All im saying is being gay shouldnt really be even an issue in alot of games
becuase it would rarely even be brought up.