Poll: Do you think Pedphilia/Ephebophilia (Sexual Attraction to Minors) is Genetic?

[Craftybonds]

As far as my knowledge tells me, i cannot name you a single species other than human beings who have been known to have sex with prepubescent specimens within the species. Also, almost every case of pedophilia that i've heard of, the subjects experienced sexual abuse at younger states in their life. Along with that, most pedophiles are in their 30's and 40's, it's not like any of them decided that they wanted to have sex with other people between the ages of 5 and 15 at a younger stage in their life.

Um...I think I've heard something similar, but aren't you mixing up "pedophilia" with "child molestation?"

all child molestation is pedophilia, but not all pedophilia is child molestation.

 

[Deleted]

1st: There is a big difference between "someone with legitimate knowledge", and "absolute authority".

2nd: Its quite easy to ask a different question, instead of "what is the factual answer to this question, people who don't know.", it might be better to ask "what is your opinion on this question? And why do you think that."

Which, incidentally, the OP actually asked. I although i still agree with Neutral Drow. And i thought i'd express that agreement. Rather emotionally in hindsight.

[HEADING=2]Poll: Do you think Pedophilia (Sexual Attraction to Minors) is Genetic?[/HEADING]

I thought I made it pretty clear, buddy.

Nobody on the escapist is an expert on this subject, because nobody studied it because of society's views.

Edit, ahh I look like an ass. Sorry man haha.

 

[reg42]

I think it's just got to do with how one is brought up, and the people and environment that one is exposed to. I don't think it's genetic at all.

 

[grimsprice]

1st: There is a big difference between "someone with legitimate knowledge", and "absolute authority".

2nd: Its quite easy to ask a different question, instead of "what is the factual answer to this question, people who don't know.", it might be better to ask "what is your opinion on this question? And why do you think that."

[HEADING=1]Which, incidentally, the OP actually asked. I although i still agree with Neutral Drow. And i thought i'd express that agreement.[/HEADING] Rather emotionally in hindsight.

[HEADING=2]Poll: Do you think Pedophilia (Sexual Attraction to Minors) is Genetic?[/HEADING]

I thought I made it pretty clear, buddy.

Nobody on the escapist is an expert on this subject, because nobody studied it because of society's views.

Edit, ahh I look like an ass. Sorry man haha.

 

[Deleted]

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All ephebophilics need to make the switch from video to drawn cp! I am in full support of this movement!

Loli drawings are superior to the real thing for the following reasons:
-Drawn CP is much easier to access, save, and browse through! Skimming over several pictures of flat chested beauties is common when you're feeling for something new. With video, you have to watch each one in its entirety before deciding if it is fap-worthy, wasting your time.
-Finding your particular tastes is easy because someone out there who likes the same types of girls you do, drew it! Wan't a black hair'd girl lying on her back? A red haired tan skin loli on her knees? Impossible to request videos of such subjects but entirely possibly with drawn CP!
-The general quality of drawn CP is much higher than video! That is because the artist's main goal is to help YOU wank it! The film maker doesn't care about camera angles, scene cuts, or even dialogue. They just show the flat chest and maybe the crying face of the girl and that's it!
-It is *legal* to own drawn CP! This one needs no explanation!
-Doujinshi (hentai mangas) offer an interesting story and not just "wanna fuck?" The artists spend time and effort making this, unlike the lazy film makers!
-Drawn CP leaves more to the imagination! When you look at a picture of a loli girl, you imagine the things you'd do to her. That's why they are drawn in certain positions, you help you imagine better! With video, you are forced to play the role of whoever is having sex with the preteen, or work with what she shows.


Yes I had this list saved... for other reasons.

 

[Hurr Durr Derp]

You don't need authority to talk about what food you like, or what the latest current event might indicate for the world, or the observed behavioral patterns of budgies, or whether or not Halo has a worthwhile story, or the like.

There's a word for people who form strong opinions on things they know nothing about. Several words, even.

One doesn't need to have a strong opinion about something in order to speculate about its cause. In fact, since as far as I'm aware no one has found out yet what causes different sexual preferences, speculation is all we've got. I said earlier that I thought pedophilia is neither genetic nor a choice, but that doesn't mean that this is some sort of strong conviction I hold. If someone finds a flaw in my reasoning and points it out, I'll be able to adjust my thoughts on the matter and will have learned something new. That's what a discussion is for.

Even if most of what's being said here is spoken in (relative) ignorance, a discussion like this can help remedy that ignorance, if even just a little. If you think that a discussion is meant to get the absolute truth into the open then you're wrong. It's meant to compare different bits of knowledge, ideas and opinions, and try to find out what bits have merit. If a discussion was about known facts then there would be no need for a discussion in the first place. And hey, who knows? Maybe with many people weighing in on one issue, you might walk away knowing something you didn't know before.

 

[NeutralDrow]

As far as my knowledge tells me, i cannot name you a single species other than human beings who have been known to have sex with prepubescent specimens within the species. Also, almost every case of pedophilia that i've heard of, the subjects experienced sexual abuse at younger states in their life. Along with that, most pedophiles are in their 30's and 40's, it's not like any of them decided that they wanted to have sex with other people between the ages of 5 and 15 at a younger stage in their life.

Um...I think I've heard something similar, but aren't you mixing up "pedophilia" with "child molestation?"

all child molestation is pedophilia, but not all pedophilia is child molestation.

I'm pretty sure not all child molestation is pedophilia, either, in the same sense that unrestrained sexual urge is rarely a primary cause of rape. LordofInsanity put it best; molestation cases have most often been perpetrated by former victims themselves (though my objection remains for that post, too; "molester" and "pedophile" aren't synonymous).

1st: There is a big difference between "someone with legitimate knowledge", and "absolute authority".

2nd: Its quite easy to ask a different question, instead of "what is the factual answer to this question, people who don't know.", it might be better to ask "what is your opinion on this question? And why do you think that."

Which, incidentally, the OP actually asked. I although i still agree with Neutral Drow. And i thought i'd express that agreement. Rather emotionally in hindsight.

[HEADING=2]Poll: Do you think Pedophilia (Sexual Attraction to Minors) is Genetic?[/HEADING]

I thought I made it pretty clear, buddy.

Nobody on the escapist is an expert on this subject, because nobody studied it because of society's views.

Then you should expect to get an expression of society's views, not a good answer on whether or not pedophilia is genetic.

 

[mew1234321]

Having taken courses into psychological studies, I can say that pedophilia is neither fully a genetic thing nor is a choice (I'm talking both the 5-11 and 12-15 age types that are victimized). Sometimes it 'may' be one or the other, but usually it's a forced thing. Most of the time, both men and women that are aroused by underage partners (That's what I'm calling the victims of pedophiles) are doing these acts because they too were victims to pedophiliac victims. Basically one large never-ending circle of pedophilia. The perpetrators, having been victimized either by molestation and/or sex at such a young age, went under such a drastic and traumatic experience that their brains re-wire their neural networks from what a normal* person would perceive as disgusting and vile to arousing and pleasurable. While it is a wrong and horrible act, these people were once and still are victims to what has happened to them to create into the pedophiles of today.

If these people that were victimized as a child were given the proper treatment and help before the act they repeat on a child, then things would be different. This also would work with the child of abusive parents and such, as they too could become a pedophile when they reach adult age.

*Normal as in pertaining to consensual sex with someone your age, plus/minus about 3-4 years when you are 22 year old.

I kinda think the same way, but I'm really into the Tabula Rasa method of thinking, you know, "blank slate" and all, mixed with certain genetic traits, so, as well as what your genetics show, your upbringing also has a major effect on your personality, etc. In any case, I'm all for pettanko, but, then again... I am like, 13. I'm also ridiculously smart though, so... yeah.

 

[JohnTomorrow]

Homosexuality is a genetic trait. Scientists have done studies on the chemical and hormonal balances between straight and gay men and women (as well as sheep, surprisingly) and have found there is a definitive difference from a young age. Not enough so that if you get a cat-scan, it'll be winking at you, but yeah.

As for pedos...well, i don't know. I think its psychological, because studies have shown there is a lot of psychological ground-work needed to be placed in order to create someone who thinks having sex with a minor is alright. Then again, its hard to think that it is so easy to make someone a pedophile, and that there is a genetic trait that would make their choices seem more appealing...

Sorry to fence-sit. If i had to choose, i'd say psychological

 

[NeutralDrow]

You don't need authority to talk about what food you like, or what the latest current event might indicate for the world, or the observed behavioral patterns of budgies, or whether or not Halo has a worthwhile story, or the like.

There's a word for people who form strong opinions on things they know nothing about. Several words, even.

One doesn't need to have a strong opinion about something in order to speculate about its cause. In fact, since as far as I'm aware no one has found out yet what causes different sexual preferences, speculation is all we've got. I said earlier that I thought pedophilia is neither genetic nor a choice, but that doesn't mean that this is some sort of strong conviction I hold. If someone finds a flaw in my reasoning and points it out, I'll be able to adjust my thoughts on the matter and will have learned something new. That's what a discussion is for.

Even if most of what's being said here is spoken in (relative) ignorance, a discussion like this can help remedy that ignorance, if even just a little. If you think that a discussion is meant to get the absolute truth into the open then you're wrong. It's meant to compare different bits of knowledge, ideas and opinions, and try to find out what bits have merit. If a discussion was about known facts then there would be no need for a discussion in the first place. And hey, who knows? Maybe with many people weighing in on one issue, you might walk away knowing something you didn't know before.

I guess there is that. And the fact that I immediately got into an argument with someone else on the subject validates your point. >_>

I'm starting to think the subject just caused my paranoia levels to overflow; I'm used to incredibly charged topics like this attracting not just people speaking in relative ignorance, but total ignorance, which strikes me as rarely conducive to either peaceful discussion or getting any worthwhile answers. Maybe I should stop hanging out in Religion and Politics...

 

[EeveeElectro]

Well I guess you want our opinions, but I don't think any of us know many Pedo's.
I got with my ex when I was 15, he was 19 so I guess that was ephebophilia? He was overage and I was underage so we did get a few insults.
I don't think it's genetic, it depends on how fucked up the individual is to find children attractive.

 

[Deleted]

Then you should expect to get an expression of society's views, not a good answer on whether or not pedophilia is genetic.

The escapist knows better than to follow the norm! Why, if you make a thread saying, "am I the only one who doesn't believe X?" chances are you won't be the only one! We are all the oddballs of society, the people who aren't afraid to look past taboos and stare at society's grim underbelly!

The escapist's views will surely not be society's views!

I really hope a mod doesn't lock this (like they do with all my other controversial threads >:[ ) so keep the off topic debates off this thread.

 

[Tyson765]

Well as you are asking for my two bobs worth I'll give it too you.

I think that it might well be genetic or it might not be but even if it is genetic there is a choice involved. Yes there are the urges and what-not that the genetics create but as a rational human being someone with these urges needs not give in to them.

It comes down to choice in the end.
Our own choice of whether to give in to our urges or not.

I mean there are thousands of men out there right now enjoying using devices that look like flashlights. Their not sexually attracted to them but that doesn't mean they can't happily live with them and be sexually released by them.

I know that this statement can be applied to all those possibly genetic disorders but I'll say right now that love doesn't need to = sexual attraction.

THE BIG EXAMPLE

My girlfriend and I have been together for well over 1 year.
Now she finds herself attracted to other girls more than members of the opposite sex yet our relationship is the best and longest lasting. It's also the first relationship where she ended up moving in with the person she was dating.

Hence Sexual attraction does not take away free will/ does not innfluence love so the excuse of "I can't help myself" cannot be taken seriously.

TY

 

[Paksenarrion]

Paedophilia: The only time when it is inappropriate to yell out "RELEASE THE KRAKEN!"

 

[Deleted]

All ephebophilics need to make the switch from video to drawn cp! I am in full support of this movement!

That or the age regression software I have heard about that apparently some people use to make their favourite porn stars look like kids.
However considering a few countries are treating animated CP like real CP like with the case of that poor bastard getting 15 years for some imported manga, they are making the situation worse for people and denying them even a safe outlet. And if you are gonna get the same punishment if its the real thing or Lisa Simpson then lets face it. Most people are gonna go for the real thing.

This is relevant to my interests.

 

[Deleted]

Well as you are asking for my two bobs worth I'll give it too you.

I think that it might well be genetic or it might not be but even if it is genetic there is a choice involved. Yes there are the urges and what-not that the genetics create but as a rational human being someone with these urges needs not give in to them.

It comes down to choice in the end.
Our own choice of whether to give in to our urges or not.

I mean there are thousands of men out there right now enjoying using devices that look like flashlights. Their not sexually attracted to them but that doesn't mean they can't happily live with them and be sexually released by them.

I know that this statement can be applied to all those possibly genetic disorders but I'll say right now that love doesn't need to = sexual attraction.

THE BIG EXAMPLE

My girlfriend and I have been together for well over 1 year.
Now she finds herself attracted to other girls more than members of the opposite sex yet our relationship is the best and longest lasting. It's also the first relationship where she ended up moving in with the person she was dating.

Hence Sexual attraction does not take away free will/ does not innfluence love so the excuse of "I can't help myself" cannot be taken seriously.

TY

Great first post, guy. Welcome to the Escapist!

Also, great post, I agree it is a mix of the two in that respect.

 

[Tyson765]

Great first post, guy. Welcome to the Escapist!

Also, great post, I agree it is a mix of the two in that respect.

Thankyou Douk. I joined for Ben yahtzee's video's but saw your topic in the side bar and thought that this would be interesting.