someone said that you lose weight when you die... i don't remember how much though...Denamic said:First, define and prove that souls even exist before we speculate what has them.
I'd rather live in a simple but spiritualistic, than in an advanced, but meaningles society.Journeythroughhell said:Oh, yes it is.zauxz said:Progress isn't always needed.Journeythroughhell said:Every question needs to be answered, that's the force behind progress. Knowledge.zauxz said:I think that this is one of the questions that don't need to be answered. I'm not saying that it doesn't, I'm not saying that it does. I'm saying that noone knows, and it's meant to be that way.
Well, except the meaning of life. That would just screw with our heads.
Stagnation is the worst that could happen to our society.
But plants and stuff aren't really part of the planet; they're just growing on top of it. The earth itself is just a big ball of dirt with a chewy centre. It might be full of relatively tiny living organisms, but the dirt itself isn't really alive.reg42 said:Wiccans would tell you that. I actually sort of agree. It's proven that certain things like music help plants grow in different ways, and if they were completely inanimate that wouldn't happen. I wouldn't say the planet has a soul, but the planet is definitely "alive" IMO.
And how is that in any way evidence for a soul?Orcus_35 said:someone said that you lose weight when you die... i don't remember how much though...Denamic said:First, define and prove that souls even exist before we speculate what has them.
zauxz said:I'd rather live in a simple but spiritualistic, than in an advanced, but meaningles society.
I heard about that. Apparently, some doctors weighed people with extremely sensitive equipment right before and right after they died, and they were always left with a difference of about 21 grams, so they concluded it must be a 'soul'. I don't know if it really was the soul or not, but until we have a better explanation it'll have to do.Orcus_35 said:someone said that you lose weight when you die... i don't remember how much though...Denamic said:First, define and prove that souls even exist before we speculate what has them.
By that logic a dead tree can produce apples.lasherman said:But plants and stuff aren't really part of the planet; they're just growing on top of it. The earth itself is just a big ball of dirt with a chewy centre. It might be full of relatively tiny living organisms, but the dirt itself isn't really alive.reg42 said:Wiccans would tell you that. I actually sort of agree. It's proven that certain things like music help plants grow in different ways, and if they were completely inanimate that wouldn't happen. I wouldn't say the planet has a soul, but the planet is definitely "alive" IMO.
what you said made me think of that:lasherman said:I heard about that. Apparently, some doctors weighed people with extremely sensitive equipment right before and right after they died, and they were always left with a difference of about 21 grams, so they concluded it must be a 'soul'. I don't know if it really was the soul or not, but until we have a better explanation it'll have to do.Orcus_35 said:someone said that you lose weight when you die... i don't remember how much though...Denamic said:First, define and prove that souls even exist before we speculate what has them.
No, because the apple itself relies on the tree to provide nutrients. If the tree died, so would all the apples. However, a bunch of bugs can live on the dead tree itself, just like humans (or all living things, really), do with the earth. Living things aren't connected to the planet, and we don't take sustenance from it; We simple live on top of it, consuming other living things that also live on top of it.reg42 said:By that logic a dead tree can produce apples.lasherman said:But plants and stuff aren't really part of the planet; they're just growing on top of it. The earth itself is just a big ball of dirt with a chewy centre. It might be full of relatively tiny living organisms, but the dirt itself isn't really alive.reg42 said:Wiccans would tell you that. I actually sort of agree. It's proven that certain things like music help plants grow in different ways, and if they were completely inanimate that wouldn't happen. I wouldn't say the planet has a soul, but the planet is definitely "alive" IMO.
Damn, amazing picture. Also, amazing episode, "If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all"Orcus_35 said:what you said made me think of that:lasherman said:I heard about that. Apparently, some doctors weighed people with extremely sensitive equipment right before and right after they died, and they were always left with a difference of about 21 grams, so they concluded it must be a 'soul'. I don't know if it really was the soul or not, but until we have a better explanation it'll have to do.Orcus_35 said:someone said that you lose weight when you die... i don't remember how much though...Denamic said:First, define and prove that souls even exist before we speculate what has them.
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and of the futurama episode where bender speaks to another universe...
You don't find something "out of place" then conclude something ridiculous is the cause of it. That's like finding your keys were not where you remembered them to be and concluded that pink fairies moved them there.lasherman said:I heard about that. Apparently, some doctors weighed people with extremely sensitive equipment right before and right after they died, and they were always left with a difference of about 21 grams, so they concluded it must be a 'soul'. I don't know if it really was the soul or not, but until we have a better explanation it'll have to do.Orcus_35 said:someone said that you lose weight when you die... i don't remember how much though...Denamic said:First, define and prove that souls even exist before we speculate what has them.
I'm not really talking about humans. Plants grow from the earth. The soil needs nutrients in order to sustain said plants. When the soil gets used enough it's useless and, basically, "dead". In the previous metaphor I was considering the plants as the apples, the earth as the tree, and I guess that would make animals as the bugs.lasherman said:No, because the apple itself relies on the tree to provide nutrients. If the tree died, so would all the apples. However, a bunch of bugs can live on the dead tree itself, just like humans (or all living things, really), do with the earth. Living things aren't connected to the planet, and we don't take sustenance from it; We simple live on top of it, consuming other living things that also live on top of it.reg42 said:By that logic a dead tree can produce apples.lasherman said:But plants and stuff aren't really part of the planet; they're just growing on top of it. The earth itself is just a big ball of dirt with a chewy centre. It might be full of relatively tiny living organisms, but the dirt itself isn't really alive.reg42 said:Wiccans would tell you that. I actually sort of agree. It's proven that certain things like music help plants grow in different ways, and if they were completely inanimate that wouldn't happen. I wouldn't say the planet has a soul, but the planet is definitely "alive" IMO.
pink fairies??? why would fairies be pink firstly? XDAndyFromMonday said:You don't find something "out of place" then conclude something ridiculous is the cause of it. That's like finding your keys were not where you remembered them to be and concluded that pink fairies moved them there.lasherman said:I heard about that. Apparently, some doctors weighed people with extremely sensitive equipment right before and right after they died, and they were always left with a difference of about 21 grams, so they concluded it must be a 'soul'. I don't know if it really was the soul or not, but until we have a better explanation it'll have to do.Orcus_35 said:someone said that you lose weight when you die... i don't remember how much though...Denamic said:First, define and prove that souls even exist before we speculate what has them.
A long time ago someone looked at some bones. Then he turned around and he looked at the animals around him. He saw they were very different. He had the absolutely ridiculous thought that one group of animals became the other, thus he gave us the science of evolution.AndyFromMonday said:You don't find something "out of place" then conclude something ridiculous is the cause of it. That's like finding your keys were not where you remembered them to be and concluded that pink fairies moved them there.lasherman said:I heard about that. Apparently, some doctors weighed people with extremely sensitive equipment right before and right after they died, and they were always left with a difference of about 21 grams, so they concluded it must be a 'soul'. I don't know if it really was the soul or not, but until we have a better explanation it'll have to do.Orcus_35 said:someone said that you lose weight when you die... i don't remember how much though...Denamic said:First, define and prove that souls even exist before we speculate what has them.
[CITATION NEEDED]David Bray said:This question does not consider the fact that nothing has a soul.