Poll: Does a Planet have a Soul?

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Denamic

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First, define and prove that souls even exist before we speculate what has them.
 

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Journeythroughhell said:
zauxz said:
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I think that this is one of the questions that don't need to be answered. I'm not saying that it doesn't, I'm not saying that it does. I'm saying that noone knows, and it's meant to be that way.
Every question needs to be answered, that's the force behind progress. Knowledge.
Well, except the meaning of life. That would just screw with our heads.
Progress isn't always needed.
Oh, yes it is.
Stagnation is the worst that could happen to our society.
I'd rather live in a simple but spiritualistic, than in an advanced, but meaningles society.
 

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reg42 said:
Wiccans would tell you that. I actually sort of agree. It's proven that certain things like music help plants grow in different ways, and if they were completely inanimate that wouldn't happen. I wouldn't say the planet has a soul, but the planet is definitely "alive" IMO.
But plants and stuff aren't really part of the planet; they're just growing on top of it. The earth itself is just a big ball of dirt with a chewy centre. It might be full of relatively tiny living organisms, but the dirt itself isn't really alive.
 

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Orcus_35 said:
Denamic said:
First, define and prove that souls even exist before we speculate what has them.
someone said that you lose weight when you die... i don't remember how much though...
And how is that in any way evidence for a soul?

OT: What Denamic said. Until evidence is provided and a definition is given to these so called "souls" I'm just going to go with a big fat fucking no.

zauxz said:
I'd rather live in a simple but spiritualistic, than in an advanced, but meaningles society.


Hell, we don't need progress. We can live just like the simpler folk back medieval times where you were lucky if you got past 30 and horses were considered modern means of transportation.
 

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Orcus_35 said:
Denamic said:
First, define and prove that souls even exist before we speculate what has them.
someone said that you lose weight when you die... i don't remember how much though...
I heard about that. Apparently, some doctors weighed people with extremely sensitive equipment right before and right after they died, and they were always left with a difference of about 21 grams, so they concluded it must be a 'soul'. I don't know if it really was the soul or not, but until we have a better explanation it'll have to do.
 

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lasherman said:
reg42 said:
Wiccans would tell you that. I actually sort of agree. It's proven that certain things like music help plants grow in different ways, and if they were completely inanimate that wouldn't happen. I wouldn't say the planet has a soul, but the planet is definitely "alive" IMO.
But plants and stuff aren't really part of the planet; they're just growing on top of it. The earth itself is just a big ball of dirt with a chewy centre. It might be full of relatively tiny living organisms, but the dirt itself isn't really alive.
By that logic a dead tree can produce apples.
 

PhiMed

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No, no it doesn't.

The planet is a molten ball of liquid rock floating in a cold empty space with a crust of solid matter on the surface. Picture an ice cube as it freezes from the outside in. Some of this surface includes organic material, and some of that organic material has been organized in a way which we classify as "alive". Some of those organized clumps of organic matter which we consider to be alive have the capicity for self-awareness. Many of us state that the last group I mentioned possess souls.

Wiccans (i.e. "stupid women who think Celts worshipped uteri, rather than participating in female human sacrifice") and Hindus (i.e. "stupid people who don't realize that their entire religious system is simply an obsolete justification for the caste system") will tell you that EVERYTHING that is capable of celluar reproduction has a soul. Some of them claim the Earth does, too, despite it failing to meet their own simple litmus test. I submit that all people EXCEPT those who make this assertion have souls.
 

Orcus The Ultimate

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lasherman said:
Orcus_35 said:
Denamic said:
First, define and prove that souls even exist before we speculate what has them.
someone said that you lose weight when you die... i don't remember how much though...
I heard about that. Apparently, some doctors weighed people with extremely sensitive equipment right before and right after they died, and they were always left with a difference of about 21 grams, so they concluded it must be a 'soul'. I don't know if it really was the soul or not, but until we have a better explanation it'll have to do.
what you said made me think of that:
http://hubblecollection.com/images/fender-bender.jpg

and of the futurama episode where bender speaks to another universe...
 

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reg42 said:
lasherman said:
reg42 said:
Wiccans would tell you that. I actually sort of agree. It's proven that certain things like music help plants grow in different ways, and if they were completely inanimate that wouldn't happen. I wouldn't say the planet has a soul, but the planet is definitely "alive" IMO.
But plants and stuff aren't really part of the planet; they're just growing on top of it. The earth itself is just a big ball of dirt with a chewy centre. It might be full of relatively tiny living organisms, but the dirt itself isn't really alive.
By that logic a dead tree can produce apples.
No, because the apple itself relies on the tree to provide nutrients. If the tree died, so would all the apples. However, a bunch of bugs can live on the dead tree itself, just like humans (or all living things, really), do with the earth. Living things aren't connected to the planet, and we don't take sustenance from it; We simple live on top of it, consuming other living things that also live on top of it.
 

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Orcus_35 said:
lasherman said:
Orcus_35 said:
Denamic said:
First, define and prove that souls even exist before we speculate what has them.
someone said that you lose weight when you die... i don't remember how much though...
I heard about that. Apparently, some doctors weighed people with extremely sensitive equipment right before and right after they died, and they were always left with a difference of about 21 grams, so they concluded it must be a 'soul'. I don't know if it really was the soul or not, but until we have a better explanation it'll have to do.
what you said made me think of that:
http://hubblecollection.com/images/fender-bender.jpg

and of the futurama episode where bender speaks to another universe...
Damn, amazing picture. Also, amazing episode, "If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all"
 

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lasherman said:
Orcus_35 said:
Denamic said:
First, define and prove that souls even exist before we speculate what has them.
someone said that you lose weight when you die... i don't remember how much though...
I heard about that. Apparently, some doctors weighed people with extremely sensitive equipment right before and right after they died, and they were always left with a difference of about 21 grams, so they concluded it must be a 'soul'. I don't know if it really was the soul or not, but until we have a better explanation it'll have to do.
You don't find something "out of place" then conclude something ridiculous is the cause of it. That's like finding your keys were not where you remembered them to be and concluded that pink fairies moved them there.
 

Orcus The Ultimate

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looks like there's a bunch of people saying no without saying why... looks like some peeps don't have opinion and just answer Polls...
 

reg42

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lasherman said:
reg42 said:
lasherman said:
reg42 said:
Wiccans would tell you that. I actually sort of agree. It's proven that certain things like music help plants grow in different ways, and if they were completely inanimate that wouldn't happen. I wouldn't say the planet has a soul, but the planet is definitely "alive" IMO.
But plants and stuff aren't really part of the planet; they're just growing on top of it. The earth itself is just a big ball of dirt with a chewy centre. It might be full of relatively tiny living organisms, but the dirt itself isn't really alive.
By that logic a dead tree can produce apples.
No, because the apple itself relies on the tree to provide nutrients. If the tree died, so would all the apples. However, a bunch of bugs can live on the dead tree itself, just like humans (or all living things, really), do with the earth. Living things aren't connected to the planet, and we don't take sustenance from it; We simple live on top of it, consuming other living things that also live on top of it.
I'm not really talking about humans. Plants grow from the earth. The soil needs nutrients in order to sustain said plants. When the soil gets used enough it's useless and, basically, "dead". In the previous metaphor I was considering the plants as the apples, the earth as the tree, and I guess that would make animals as the bugs.
 

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AndyFromMonday said:
lasherman said:
Orcus_35 said:
Denamic said:
First, define and prove that souls even exist before we speculate what has them.
someone said that you lose weight when you die... i don't remember how much though...
I heard about that. Apparently, some doctors weighed people with extremely sensitive equipment right before and right after they died, and they were always left with a difference of about 21 grams, so they concluded it must be a 'soul'. I don't know if it really was the soul or not, but until we have a better explanation it'll have to do.
You don't find something "out of place" then conclude something ridiculous is the cause of it. That's like finding your keys were not where you remembered them to be and concluded that pink fairies moved them there.
pink fairies??? why would fairies be pink firstly? XD
 

David Bray

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This question does not consider the [possibility] that nothing has a soul.

EDIT: [Fact > Possibility]
 

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AndyFromMonday said:
lasherman said:
Orcus_35 said:
Denamic said:
First, define and prove that souls even exist before we speculate what has them.
someone said that you lose weight when you die... i don't remember how much though...
I heard about that. Apparently, some doctors weighed people with extremely sensitive equipment right before and right after they died, and they were always left with a difference of about 21 grams, so they concluded it must be a 'soul'. I don't know if it really was the soul or not, but until we have a better explanation it'll have to do.
You don't find something "out of place" then conclude something ridiculous is the cause of it. That's like finding your keys were not where you remembered them to be and concluded that pink fairies moved them there.
A long time ago someone looked at some bones. Then he turned around and he looked at the animals around him. He saw they were very different. He had the absolutely ridiculous thought that one group of animals became the other, thus he gave us the science of evolution.

In the words of Haldane [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._B._S._Haldane], father of population genetics [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_genetics]; "Theories have four stages of acceptance. i) this is worthless nonsense; ii) this is an interesting, but perverse, point of view, iii) this is true, but quite unimportant; iv) I always said so."

David Bray said:
This question does not consider the fact that nothing has a soul.
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