It's even more stupid because a lot of metal songs in turn have a simple 4/4 time signature, only difference being is that it's sped up so it seems more complicated. However, what people seem to forget is that speed =/= complexity.brainfreeze215 said:So first off, I like this song. I've heard it on the radio before, and I enjoy it.
I'm seeing a lot of hate for it, but most of the justification for that hate is that "it's simply not your taste in music" or "it's not metal." So really, why don't you like it? Is it not complex enough? There seems to be a huge community (not just on this site, everywhere) of people who won't listen to anything in a simple 4/4 time. Is is such a crime that music should be accessible? Music with complexity has its place, but so does pop, and saying that you can only find complex music enjoyable makes people sound soooo pretentious that I want to blast "Sexy *****" just to drown them out.
I agree completely. Some people seem to think that in order for music to be good, it must be complex, and saying things like 'this isn't music' just makes them sound completely arrogant.brainfreeze215 said:So first off, I like this song. I've heard it on the radio before, and I enjoy it.
I'm seeing a lot of hate for it, but most of the justification for that hate is that "it's simply not your taste in music" or "it's not metal." So really, why don't you like it? Is it not complex enough? There seems to be a huge community (not just on this site, everywhere) of people who won't listen to anything in a simple 4/4 time. Is is such a crime that music should be accessible? Music with complexity has its place, but so does pop, and saying that you can only find complex music enjoyable makes people sound soooo pretentious that I want to blast "Sexy *****" just to drown them out.
I feel like people only hate pop music to be non-conformist, and I have a whole slew of problems with non-conformism, but that's another topic for another thread.
Oh, and when autotune is used to distort the human voice rather than correct it (like Kanye, T-Pain and Akon do), I think it sounds really cool.
To each his own, I suppose.
Thanks for supporting my points from a musically educated standpoint. I agree wholeheartedly.Zombie_Fish said:It's even more stupid because a lot of metal songs in turn have a simple 4/4 time signature, only difference being is that it's sped up so it seems more complicated. However, what people seem to forget is that speed =/= complexity.brainfreeze215 said:So first off, I like this song. I've heard it on the radio before, and I enjoy it.
I'm seeing a lot of hate for it, but most of the justification for that hate is that "it's simply not your taste in music" or "it's not metal." So really, why don't you like it? Is it not complex enough? There seems to be a huge community (not just on this site, everywhere) of people who won't listen to anything in a simple 4/4 time. Is is such a crime that music should be accessible? Music with complexity has its place, but so does pop, and saying that you can only find complex music enjoyable makes people sound soooo pretentious that I want to blast "Sexy *****" just to drown them out.
I agree with your other points though; I'm currently doing an AS course in Music Technology, almost half of which is done entirely using synthesisers and they are amazing things to use. Though I think what's used to auto-tune the voice to distortion (such as what Kanye West uses a lot) is actually called a vocoder, but it is still an amazing thing to mess around with when you have a voice on loop and feel like having a laugh.
And of course people follow the philosophy here that "The masses have no taste", and that "People who don't follow the masses like mindless sheep and be radical and unique are badass and cool". Irony, anyone?
On topic, I don't mind Akon that much. I did use to hate singers/ bands like this with a passion, but I have become more tolerant to the different genres over time and would gladly listen to something like this. I wouldn't buy the album, though, not because of my dislike for the song, but because of my own preference for other styles which take priority in the buying list.
As for club music in general, or club music/ pop music, it is hard for me to state my opinion due to my own lack of experience in the club scene and also the variety of its music. For a music exam I had to learn seven different types of club dance music, and a large number of them popular styles as well, from drum 'n' bass (such as Pendulum [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvthY6PoTIA] and The Prodigy [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Di9OBlcCiDk&feature=related]), to trance (such as Hot Chip [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW94AEmzFhQ]) and even not so well known ones like ambient (such as Brian Eno [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9amDbeq6t0]). Whilst a lot of that isn't music from the hardcore club dance scene, it still makes up the overall club scene.
As for why people like it, off-beat rythmns are a serious reason why: Off-beat rythmns have proven to be popular to dance to for reasons unknown to me, but they do make people want to dance. It was partially because of the off-beat rythmn that reggae became such a popular genre, as it made it such fun to dance to. Because, lets face it, everyone wants to start moving when they hear Jimmy Cliff's You Can get it if You Really Want [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzSzhHmhiOY].
It's ok, I'm in the minority too. And you're exactly right, it's amazing what experience will do to ignorance.rees263 said:Looks like I'm in the minority who chose "love it".
To be honest, ever since I went to university and went to "popular" club nights I find my music taste to be extremely broad and you'd have to go to quite an effort to find a song I don't like (or at least that I don't find tolerable). I also listen to a lot of BBC radio 1, so I hear mostly popular music, whatever that happens to be at the time. At the moment my listening is largely limited to that. It's not that I have no interest in more obscure artists, but there's no way I'm going to go out of my way to find ones I like when I have readily available music that I also like.
I would encourage everyone who's said that it's not their sort of music to at least give unfamiliar genres a try - I listened almost exclusively to rock/punk/indie before I left school and hated pop/dance/drum and bass etc. Now I love most of it. It's nice to be able to listen to the radio and not change the station all the time because I don't like the song.
So we can't hate stuff because it's not our taste of music? What the hell? The question is not "Is this song good/bad?", it's "Do you like this song?".brainfreeze215 said:So first off, I like this song. I've heard it on the radio before, and I enjoy it.
I'm seeing a lot of hate for it, but most of the justification for that hate is that "it's simply not your taste in music" or "it's not metal." So really, why don't you like it? Is it not complex enough? There seems to be a huge community (not just on this site, everywhere) of people who won't listen to anything in a simple 4/4 time. Is is such a crime that music should be accessible? Music with complexity has its place, but so does pop, and saying that you can only find complex music enjoyable makes people sound soooo pretentious that I want to blast "Sexy *****" just to drown them out.
I feel like people only hate pop music to be non-conformist, and I have a whole slew of problems with non-conformism, but that's another topic for another thread.
Oh, and when autotune is used to distort the human voice rather than correct it (like Kanye, T-Pain and Akon do), I think it sounds really cool.
To each his own, I suppose.
...because it's not my taste in music.brainfreeze215 said:So first off, I like this song. I've heard it on the radio before, and I enjoy it.
I'm seeing a lot of hate for it, but most of the justification for that hate is that "it's simply not your taste in music" or "it's not metal." So really, why don't you like it?
And on that I have no real stance, as I lack the musical knowledge to properly comment on it.Is it not complex enough? There seems to be a huge community (not just on this site, everywhere) of people who won't listen to anything in a simple 4/4 time. Is is such a crime that music should be accessible? Music with complexity has its place, but so does pop, and saying that you can only find complex music enjoyable makes people sound soooo pretentious that I want to blast "Sexy *****" just to drown them out.
Or, as noted before, it could simply not be to their liking.I feel like people only hate pop music to be non-conformist, and I have a whole slew of problems with non-conformism, but that's another topic for another thread.
Now that I agree on.Oh, and when autotune is used to distort the human voice rather than correct it (like Kanye, T-Pain and Akon do), I think it sounds really cool.
To each his own, I suppose.
I believe you. I sort of generalized. So I stand by my opinions from before, but they don't necessarily apply to you. Or even anyone here in particular. It's just something I've noticed.Neonbob said:...because it's not my taste in music.brainfreeze215 said:So first off, I like this song. I've heard it on the radio before, and I enjoy it.
I'm seeing a lot of hate for it, but most of the justification for that hate is that "it's simply not your taste in music" or "it's not metal." So really, why don't you like it?
It really doesn't get much more complicated than that.
But if you want superficial reasons, hey, I can do those!
-I've hated Akon for a loooong time, for the same vague reason I hated Usher for: a really high pitched voice. They bug me, and hurt my ears.
-I do not like auto-tune at all, as I believe that a song should have something of a flow to it, and jarring shifts in pitch ruin that for me.
-I enjoy a well played guitar in my music, and it was conspicuously absent in that track.
-More thinly justified reasons can be filled in here if you like.And on that I have no real stance, as I lack the musical knowledge to properly comment on it.Is it not complex enough? There seems to be a huge community (not just on this site, everywhere) of people who won't listen to anything in a simple 4/4 time. Is is such a crime that music should be accessible? Music with complexity has its place, but so does pop, and saying that you can only find complex music enjoyable makes people sound soooo pretentious that I want to blast "Sexy *****" just to drown them out.Or, as noted before, it could simply not be to their liking.I feel like people only hate pop music to be non-conformist, and I have a whole slew of problems with non-conformism, but that's another topic for another thread.
Not everything has to be an act of rebellion.
That shit gets tiring.Now that I agree on.Oh, and when autotune is used to distort the human voice rather than correct it (like Kanye, T-Pain and Akon do), I think it sounds really cool.
To each his own, I suppose.