Poll: Does Batman really need Robin?

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Blindswordmaster

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Movie Bob said something during his review of The Losers that made me cringe: he actually proposed that the current Batman movie series should have Robin. I don't think that Batman needs Robin. Robin makes him less dark and brooding. Robin makes Batman family friendly. Batman is crazy, determined, and kinda sadistic. Robin waters him down, makes him less awesome. Do you want Batman to have Robin? Would you still watch the current Batman movies if they introduced Robin? No flaming, no trolling, just polite debate. Go.
 

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Blindswordmaster said:
Movie Bob said something during his review of The Losers that made me cringe: he actually proposed that the current Batman movie series should have Robin. I don't think that Batman needs Robin. Robin makes him less dark and brooding. Robin makes Batman family friendly. Batman is crazy, determined, and kinda sadistic. Robin waters him down, makes him less awesome. Do you want Batman to have Robin? Would you still watch the current Batman movies if they introduced Robin? No flaming, no trolling, just polite debate. Go.
Christan Bale and Christopher Nolan both REFUSE to participate in the Batman movies if Robin comes in. So it a mute point.
 

Hithlain

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I think if was written right and played by the right guy, it could add a lot of depth to the character instead of making him silly.
 

Lyri

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Batman isanything but crazy, to be honest.

But hey, why can't Robin work?
He doesn't have to be the goofy boy wonder, look at how Batman has evolved across the ages.
 

51gunner

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I can't see any good way to write him in. How do you fit a character named "Robin" into the dark and gritty Batman's been going lately?
 
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I think Batman needs Robin because without Robin Batman is basically heading straight for psychosville. Yes, Robin does have a calming effect on him, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. Also, in terms of narrative thread, the existence of a Robin allows for Batman to be a father, but a better father than his own (remember the speech Ra's Al Ghul gave him in the first movie about his father being weak and pathetic. Batman wouldn't be weak and pathetic with Robin around.)

Also, I think if you love a hero who is crazy and kinda sadistic, you might have a problem with the sort of people you're worshipping. It's like Rorsarch's fanbase. Alan Moore created him as the worst superhero ever, and was appalled when people said he might have the right idea. To idealise the traits which make the heroes closer to the enemies they fight is missing the point of the hero itself.

Robin does not make Batman family friendly either, if you want evidence of that just read 'Dark Victory' wherein Robin's inclusion actually serves to make the story darker, because now the ethics of Batman taking in a young boy are called in question, and Robin's backstory (or at least, Dick Grayson's backstory) is just as tragic and pointless as Batman's own. It's one of the reasons Dick Grayson was portrayed the way he was, because he needed that symmetry with his mentor.

Furthermore, Given that the first two movies have basically collected and reinterpreted Batman: Year One and Batman: The Long Halloween, if they wanted to remain true to this continuity, the next comic book is Batman: Dark Victory, and the introduction of Robin. Also from this movie's continuity, don't you think the choice of introducing a child character right after the love interest would have a great significance? My one love is dead, my parents are dead, basically, if Batman didn't latch on to any family figures, I would discount him as no longer being a hero worthy of my respect, rather than losing respect if he were to acquire a ward.

Besides, I think Tim Drake is the cooler Robin, but that would just be silly.
 

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Wizzie said:
Batman isanything but crazy, to be honest.

But hey, why can't Robin work?
He doesn't have to be the goofy boy wonder, look at how Batman has evolved across the ages.
Actually, batman is certifiably insane, and many of the comic writers of recent years have stressed this. Its also part of his relationship with the Joker: the Joker is really just Batman with a different focus (Batman is focused on absolute Justice, while the Joker is... well, Joker).

And WHICH Robin would you recommend, OP? There's been several, all with different personalities.
 

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Robin is just a way to Batman down to the Earth. I mean, without Rachel, he really has nothing to lose, so he can basically go as nuts as his morality will allow him to. Robin would just break this, which would be a shame. Hm, first time I really disagreed with MovieBob.
 

shemoanscazrex3

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Have we all not seen The Dark Knight lol. Seriously leave sidekicks to Superman he's the only guy that needs to be vulnerable Batman is already a cook in a suit who has no powers. I just find it hard for the next movie to top this one. The Joker basically made that movie
 

LeonLethality

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He needs Robin like peanut butter needs jam.

What happened to the fun batman? The serious one sucks and is uninteresting.
 

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I'm going to be the only one who probably throws out his vote in favour of Robin. Robin adds something that Batman is missing; the human element. Robin, while painfully innocent and naiive, makes an excellent contrast to Batman. Where Batman's costume is dark, angular, and menacing, Robin's costume is bright, vibrant, and improvised. Whereas Batman lived his childhood scarred by the loss of his parents, Robin grew up in a happy family, bonding by literally putting his life in his family's hands as an acrobat. Robin plays an excellent foil to Batman, both a redeeming quality and a crippling weakness.

Robin, as seen by many, is nothing but a hindrance; he's ass in a fight, he's useless as a detective, and he often is the bait for many a Bat-trap. Not only that, but now Bruce Wayne's bank account has to feed another mouth, clothe another body, and equip another utility belt (not to mention how many vehicles and devices he has to de-Bat so Robin can handle them). Why, in the name of God would Bruce Wayne keep someone so useless around. Simple, in Robin he sees something he longs to be. He sees the childhood that Robin had, and longs to know that warmth. He sees Robin like a brother and a son, and so that strong emotional attachment gives Batman more of a human quality (arguably more than any other character besides Alfred). Batman could always leave Robin in the clutches of the Joker, abandoning him to a cruel (if not inventive) death, accompanied by cackling laughter. However, he won't, because in Robin he sees himself, or at least a Bruce Wayne that could have been.
 

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With every sidekick that is added to the batman series it gets progressively worse. I loved Batman The Animated Series, but whenever Robin showed up it got worse, and when Robin and Batgirl were both there it was even worse, and when Robin, Batgirl, and Nightwing all showed up... all I can say is yuck city.
 

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fuck, I'm the only one who voted batgirl... at the time I voted.

No, Batman needs bat-girl because everyone is sex crazed nowadays, if batman has a dog as his new sidekick people will ask "are they fucking?" (not really, but you know they would with Robin) so it might as well be an adult female human as a sidekick for now and get rid of the awkwardness.
 

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LeonLethality said:
He needs Robin like peanut butter needs jam.

What happened to the fun batman? The serious one sucks and is uninteresting.
So he would be happier with chocolate then?

but +1 for batman being too serious, I mean he is sworn never to kill yet he speaks in a voice so over the top if it came out of the mouth of leather-face people would call if over the top.
 
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irishdelinquent said:
I'm going to be the only one who probably throws out his vote in favour of Robin.
Robin, as seen by many, is nothing but a hindrance; he's ass in a fight, he's useless as a detective, and he often is the bait for many a Bat-trap.
AccursedTheory said:
Wizzie said:
Batman isanything but crazy, to be honest.

But hey, why can't Robin work?
He doesn't have to be the goofy boy wonder, look at how Batman has evolved across the ages.
Actually, batman is certifiably insane, and many of the comic writers of recent years have stressed this. Its also part of his relationship with the Joker: the Joker is really just Batman with a different focus (Batman is focused on absolute Justice, while the Joker is... well, Joker).

And WHICH Robin would you recommend, OP? There's been several, all with different personalities.
I agree with AT on this one. Batman is a nutjob. Alan Moore stated about Rorsarch that he wrote the character like he was Batman but in the real world, in other words, Looney Tunes.

Also, I'm going to nominate Tim Drake as the best Robin, because in the comic continuity anyway, it's stated by Batman himself that while Dick Grayson was in it for the fun, and Jason Todd was in it for the release of his anger, Tim Drake wants to be the world's greatest detective, and Batman thinks he really could be. Imagine that sort of Robin, not useless in a fight, not a constant bad guy bait, and actually good at deduction.
 

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Treblaine said:
LeonLethality said:
He needs Robin like peanut butter needs jam.

What happened to the fun batman? The serious one sucks and is uninteresting.
So he would be happier with chocolate then?

but +1 for batman being too serious, I mean he is sworn never to kill yet he speaks in a voice so over the top if it came out of the mouth of leather-face people would call if over the top.
I was talking about sandwiches not reeses D=
 

000Ronald

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You could still have a robin and have it be dark and edgy. Just name him Jason Todd.

OH SNAP!

..I'm so very sorry...