Poll: Does Batman really need Robin?

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Wizzie said:
Batman is anything but crazy, to be honest.

But hey, why can't Robin work?
He doesn't have to be the goofy boy wonder, look at how Batman has evolved across the ages.
Eggzactly! I mean have you seen any of those old Batman episodes? Both Batman and Robin were really goofy and it wasn't dark at all, mercilessly playing with words and dealing with criminals like The Film Freak (EDIT:comic only, ironically) and Egghead.
If a man in a bat costume can be taken seriously then I'm sure Robin can too.
I'll be interesting to see what they can do about that face mask.
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Blindswordmaster said:
Movie Bob said something during his review of The Losers that made me cringe: he actually proposed that the current Batman movie series should have Robin. I don't think that Batman needs Robin. Robin makes him less dark and brooding. Robin makes Batman family friendly. Batman is crazy, determined, and kinda sadistic. Robin waters him down, makes him less awesome. Do you want Batman to have Robin? Would you still watch the current Batman movies if they introduced Robin? No flaming, no trolling, just polite debate. Go.
Christan Bale and Christopher Nolan both REFUSE to participate in the Batman movies if Robin comes in. So it a mute point.
I'm sure those two would refuse if old Batman came in too.
 

Deadlock Radium

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Batman as a lone wolf (Except Alfred, who is the very esscence of awesome) > Batman and Robin.
That's it, Robin will ruin the Batman movies.
 

Cody211282

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If they put Robin in the next movie I'm not going to see it, when they added Robin tot he old films they started to suck. But then again I probably wont see the next one anyway because you can't top the Joker as a villain.
 

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AccursedTheory said:
Blindswordmaster said:
Treblaine said:
fuck, I'm the only one who voted batgirl... at the time I voted.

No, Batman needs bat-girl because everyone is sex crazed nowadays, if batman has a dog as his new sidekick people will ask "are they fucking?" (not really, but you know they would with Robin) so it might as well be an adult female human as a sidekick for now and get rid of the awkwardness.
She's like 14 and there's implications that they fucked in Batman Beyond! Batman does not need the Commissioner Gordon's jailbait running around!
Don't worry, the Joker will fix that!

Oh wait, no more Joker... shit. Who's going to paralyze her?
I really doubt that they would write off the Joker from Nolan's series just because Heath Ledger kicked the bucket. Don't get me wrong, it was a standout performance, but the character is just too instrumental in the Batman storyline (i.e. death of Jason Todd; crippling of Barbara Gordon).

Also, if you pay attention in The Dark Knight, Barbara Gordon is like 12 years old, tops. So there's no chance of there being a Barbara-Batgirl for some time at least. Also, Batgirl didn't come into the picture until after Robin did, so he'll inevitably come first (if at all).

OP: While I agree with Nolan's standpoint on his films (that this is a young Batman, and hence there will be no sidekicks in the foreseeable future), if he must at another member to his team, I reckon it should be simply more of a focus on Alfred's involvement in his Bat-antics; have him sat in the Batcave at a computer monitor during Batman's missions feeding him intel or some such. Give him a role similar to Oracle, though of course not actually Oracle.

(Off-topic: I reckon that the next Batman film should involve Talia al'Ghul, thoughts?)
 

Berserker119

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I think that Robin is better than Batman actually. Maybe it's because I just really hate Batman. But a Robin movie wouldn't be that bad, would it?
 

nick n stuff

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night wing would be cool but robin is lame. i have never seen a cool robin and i can't imagine the dark night wanting to have him around. even blue-jay is better than robin...cookie for reference (and i know it was lame).
 

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irishdelinquent said:
I'm going to be the only one who probably throws out his vote in favour of Robin. Robin adds something that Batman is missing; the human element. Robin, while painfully innocent and naiive, makes an excellent contrast to Batman. Where Batman's costume is dark, angular, and menacing, Robin's costume is bright, vibrant, and improvised. Whereas Batman lived his childhood scarred by the loss of his parents, Robin grew up in a happy family, bonding by literally putting his life in his family's hands as an acrobat. Robin plays an excellent foil to Batman, both a redeeming quality and a crippling weakness.

Robin, as seen by many, is nothing but a hindrance; he's ass in a fight, he's useless as a detective, and he often is the bait for many a Bat-trap. Not only that, but now Bruce Wayne's bank account has to feed another mouth, clothe another body, and equip another utility belt (not to mention how many vehicles and devices he has to de-Bat so Robin can handle them). Why, in the name of God would Bruce Wayne keep someone so useless around. Simple, in Robin he sees something he longs to be. He sees the childhood that Robin had, and longs to know that warmth. He sees Robin like a brother and a son, and so that strong emotional attachment gives Batman more of a human quality (arguably more than any other character besides Alfred). Batman could always leave Robin in the clutches of the Joker, abandoning him to a cruel (if not inventive) death, accompanied by cackling laughter. However, he won't, because in Robin he sees himself, or at least a Bruce Wayne that could have been.

Perfect answer!

And why does it have to be Robin? And which one of the several Robins would it be [not as in the film versions, the comic versions]

Why can't we have Nightwing?
 

Kaymish

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i dont like robin at all
i do remember seeing somewhere that robin was Batman's boyfriend and was supposed to convey homosexual messages to the audience back before homosexuality was de-criminalised or something

and besides i think the current style of batmad does not need a spunky girl side kick or even any side kick what so ever i did fine with just oracle in Arkham Asylum
 

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chozo_hybrid said:
Joe Matsuda said:
chozo_hybrid said:
If Robin is done right, then hell yes!

Question to OP, have you ever read the comics much? Because he's certainly not there to make things family friendly.

Plus Dick became one of my favorite DC heroes, Nightwing. So if it led to eventual movie potential for Nightwing, then HELl to the YEAH!
I have a feeling you and I could become good friends (nice avatar, by the way)

if they were to continue in the direction they are going, they'd use Jason Todd Robin if they were to have a Robin...

but I still think they could pull off Dick Grayson (maybe skipping his short-short days and going right into Nightwing)
Thanks, figured you might like this avatar even more :)

This makes me want to see a Nightwing film!
haha, the Blue and the Gold

while he isn't Ted, I think it's safe to say Jaime is a worthy successor...

and a Nightwing movie would be badass! Hollywood, you listening?
 

chozo_hybrid

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Joe Matsuda said:
chozo_hybrid said:
Joe Matsuda said:
chozo_hybrid said:
If Robin is done right, then hell yes!

Question to OP, have you ever read the comics much? Because he's certainly not there to make things family friendly.

Plus Dick became one of my favorite DC heroes, Nightwing. So if it led to eventual movie potential for Nightwing, then HELl to the YEAH!
I have a feeling you and I could become good friends (nice avatar, by the way)

if they were to continue in the direction they are going, they'd use Jason Todd Robin if they were to have a Robin...

but I still think they could pull off Dick Grayson (maybe skipping his short-short days and going right into Nightwing)
Thanks, figured you might like this avatar even more :)

This makes me want to see a Nightwing film!
haha, the Blue and the Gold

while he isn't Ted, I think it's safe to say Jaime is a worthy successor...

and a Nightwing movie would be badass! Hollywood, you listening?
Well, Ted did say he was proud to call him a successor :)

Have his origin in the next Batman film, then have a movie set years later. It could work well.
 

ezeroast

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Don't see why not, as long as he fits the new kick ass batman they are making these days. If it doesn't work just kill him off.
 

mr_pants66

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well i don't really know i mean my 2 favourite bat man movies are the dark night and Batman forever. in dark night there was no robin but in batman forever there was a robin and they both worked great. but personally i would like to see the next batman (don't kid yourself you know it is coming) to have robin in it (just not played by Shia LaBeouf)
 

Marsell

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Batman is the least iteresting thing hes in, unless burton is the director
Joker FTW
 

sephiroth1991

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If they have Robin it will be played by the guy from twilight, or the guy from the highschool musical or even the guy from Transformers.

Imagine the horror!!
 

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I don't care if Robin is useful to Batman or if he's a hindrance, I don't care if he's portrayed as complex and tragic in his own way, what I care about is whether he fits thematically with the story.

See, I think Robin is just an unnecessary character in the Batman mythos. I think he was just introduced because every superhero at that time needed a boy sidekick for the kids to relate to, and that he is not needed to add a "human element," a good writer can add the human element without him. Having some kid tagging along on Batman's adventures even though one of Batman's main themes is that he's alone, it's a cheap shortcut for the "human element." Robin can be as "human" as the writers want, making him just a spectator as this dark impenetrable figure known as Batman goes head to head with the colorful cast of bad guys.
The reason the new movies are good is because they make Batman into a human, not needing some obnoxious kid to do it.

It's not a testament to Robin's worth in the few occasions when he's tolerable, it's a testament to how good some writers are at reimagining characters.
 

diddykonger

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if written and cast write Robin can work, adding Chris O'Donnell was horrible casting choice for Dick Grayson/Robin.