Poll: Does being racist instantly make you a bad person?

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emily123 said:
thahat said:
Le_Lisra said:
emily123 said:
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emily123 said:
not really thats there opinion i dont judge me personally have been called a nzi many times and to be quite frank i am a bit of a neo nazi
.......You realize nazi's are definitively evil....so essentially you just called yourself evil.
you sir are a extremly stupid man

hitler geobles georing and himmler were evil the party itself was dragged down with it and burned but from the ashes of shame and hate the neo-nazi's arose we do not hate other race we believe in discipline and order not sgregation and degragation

we hate hitler and all that he put the world throught and want only peace
we seek to unite not destroy yes the gestapo and ss were evil we are not
Then for fucks sake don't call yourself that.. really.. because it clearly shows you have no understanding of what it means.
as far as i know, nazi's, indeed put high stock in disciplin and order. also, verry well built tanks XD. to call themself neo-nazi's, or new nazi's, is not in itself a bad thing, just,... a tad not so bright, for it holds no consideration for other peoples feelings.
and why would it be inconsiderate exactly

whats done is done you cannot change history so get on with it and stop getting hung up on names we are different from the swastica weilding zealotic other nazi's we are not hate filled we are not driven by a need to assert supperiouruty we believ that if you cant fight your way to the top using every trick in the book you dont deserve it anyway
right. i just called it inconsiderate, because everone, everywhere, is taught by their history books nazi=evil, and most peoplse grandfathers in europa still go >.> @ suspicious germans. maybe i should have used the word 'not well thought through' instead of inconsiderate. would the neo-nazi's not be called the neo-nazi's, there would be nothing against them, a new start, so to speak.
 

SonicKoala

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No, it doesn't - like many people have added, it does make the person ignorant, but they aren't a "bad" person unless they actually act on that racism.
 

Jonesy911

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Depends what you mean by racist. If its an elderly person, it may just be a symptom of a past generation, where they used racist words and had racist delusions e.g. all black people can run really fast, but those things alone don't make someone a bad person.

However, if they are racial haters i.e. someone who dislikes someone because of their race, then that person is indeed a bad person
 
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I hate people from the middle east, does that make me a bad person? Of course not. I'm a white supremacist, does that make me a bad person? Hell no. I find the Sudanese a blight on Australian society, does that make me a bad person? No.

Why do I hate them all, and value white society over all else? Give me one reason why I should like them. They came HERE, to enjoy the country I was born and raised in, because they fucked up their own society. I'll tolerate them, but I have no reason to like them or give them any sought of care.
 

garfoldsomeoneelse

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I understand where you are coming from, and within the parameter's you're thinking, you are correct. However, those parameters include an overabundance of importance on prejudice based on race. See, in America, where the civil rights movement is still fresh in our minds, crying "racism" has become an effective tool to use against other people. As such, almost all Americans distance themselves from racist principles and the people who believe in them as much as possible; this results in labeling racists as "bad people", when they're really just clinging to a generally harmless dislike of a people for no good reason. I could compare one's prejudices to their personal choice of religion, but that argument would be nitpicked to pieces.

...so, instead, let me put it this way, let's pretend there's a village somewhere that is entirely white. The village isn't white by choice, it just is, and it's self-sustaining, so nobody really comes or goes unless they need something badly. Within that village, is a white man who acts as a doctor. He heals all the children and elderly, delivers babies, and pitches in around the village to help with the upkeep even though he's only expected to do his job. He's got a good sense of humor, a loving wife, and three children who he loves dearly. He's the best father in the world, a wonderful neighbor, and probably one of the nicest guys you'll ever meet. Now here's the thing: he's never met them, but he has an inherent distrust of people of other races. He will never harm a person, even if they're not white. In fact, he'd save the life of a colored person. He wouldn't like them, trust them, or treat them in the friendliest manner, but if they're put on his operating table, he'll do his damnedest to save their lives.

Now, tell me, is that man a bad person just because he's racist? No, he isn't, because he hasn't done anything to harm anyone in spite of his prejudice, and would still refrain if given the chance. The only way that a person can be measured as either good or evil based on their beliefs is by judging the way those beliefs have been acted upon, and nothing more. If a man believes hispanics are superior to all other races, but still treats everybody around him with grudging respect and patience, then his beliefs are irrelevant because they do not effect the world around him. And isn't that what good and evil are, just a measure of how you effect the world around you? Good means helping, bad means hurting, and if you've done neither you don't count as either?

That's my take, anyway.
 

Le_Lisra

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clipse15 said:
Le_Lisra said:
emily123 said:
FutureHousedad said:
emily123 said:
not really thats there opinion i dont judge me personally have been called a nzi many times and to be quite frank i am a bit of a neo nazi
.......You realize nazi's are definitively evil....so essentially you just called yourself evil.
you sir are a extremly stupid man

hitler geobles georing and himmler were evil the party itself was dragged down with it and burned but from the ashes of shame and hate the neo-nazi's arose we do not hate other race we believe in discipline and order not sgregation and degragation

we hate hitler and all that he put the world throught and want only peace
we seek to unite not destroy yes the gestapo and ss were evil we are not
Then for fucks sake don't call yourself that.. really.. because it clearly shows you have no understanding of what it means.
Wait why has no one corrected this person on what a neo-nazi is? Sorry bu I don't think you know what that means. A neo-nazi isn't someone who rejects the ideas of the nazi party it mens, like you mentioned "new nazi" but thats only because the old nazi paty was dead so the neo nazi party rose. A neo nazi still holds the belief that the white race is superiour in all forms and therefore all other races are unfit.

What its not is that made up definition that you gave. You may believe in what you say you believe but that doesn't make you a neo nazi and you really shouldn't label yourself as such

Also neo nazis don't hate hitlerlike you claim.
good call sir, that's what I meant.
 

CrashBang

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I'd call them out on it straight away. It's ridiculous and no matter how close a friend this person is to me, they're still being a cock and I'd tell them so
I'm white and have several black friends and white friends and would never let either say anything bad about the other, it's not right
Although racist jokes are fine. I've never met a black person who took offence to a harmless racist joke
 

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spectrenihlus said:
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This is just something I've been thinking of recently, and I wanted to know the Escapist's view toward this. I'll keep my opinion out of it so I don't affect anyone else.

So, imagine you have a friend of the same colour and sex as you. This person is a good friend, you like them alot. They donate to charity, they make jokes you find funny and they're always there for you in a pinch. They've done alot for you.

Then say, one day, you and your friend see someone of the opposite colour and start a conversation about them. Your friend is quite racist toward them, specifically stating that they don't like people of that person's colour.

I'm just curious as to how you, the Escapist public, would respond to this. Would you instantly call them out on it? Would you respect their opinion even if you don't agree with it, or alternatively, if you do agree with it? Would you try and change them? And ultimately, would it affect your friendship to the point where you would consider no longer being friends with them?
Are they evil? no. I would say they are ignorant either that or stupid.
Basically this. But it is a complicated situation nevertheless. I don't know personally if I would hate the person, but I would at least try to ignore it and see the apparent extreme positives in him/her.
 

TheRealCJ

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Short answer: NO, everyone is racist to a point, it's practically built into our DNA. Anybody significantly different to ourselves is a possible threat to the species survival (SCIENCE!)

Long Answer: Again, no. But if your friend was to overtly state that he hated all people of [RACE], then that is beyond acceptable social norms, and well, yes, s/he should be called out on it. Saying out-and-out that you hate a ethnic group (without any actual reason) is VERY different to the causal racism that is prevalent in society today (stuff like Stereotypes (positive and negative), socio-economic divides, etc.).

The point is, everybody harbours some distrust of other races and cultures. Is how you handle that distrust that defines you as a racist.
 

Ekonk

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Yes I motherfucking would. There's no excuse for racism, except being a fucking douchebag.
 

liveslowdiefast

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you need to add more options i feel it's the persons choice and only when they are acting on it by for instance hurting someone beacuse of their race thats when the person really needs to have a long hard think. and you need to distance or when there downright just being horrible.
 

Gingersalt

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Sparrow said:
The whole thing stemmed from another discussion, where we were talking about how a lot of people who constantly wear clothes that celebrities wear may be inadvertently confomring.

I suppose it makes another point in itself. Those that conform through copying people to get friends because of their self esteem may want acceptance. Those who eat constantly to make themselves feel better, those who self harm, maybe they just want to be understood. Those who don't eat, those who indulge in plastic surgery, maybe they just want to be noticed period.

Of course I can't really comment. I've never been through any of these issues myself, unless you count breaking out a super-duper sized bag of Doritos when you're upset every once in a blue moon.
You know I was thinking last night before I went to sleep (yes I am that sad) maybe people laugh out of fear? Aggression is so commonly associated with racism that maybe someone would just laugh because they didn't want to anger the person making the joke.

I know that if I'm on a bus and some chav/ned guy starts saying stuff to me that they obviously think is funny I just try to laugh along. Maybe it encourages them sure, but I'd rather do that than them pick a fight with me for not agreeing.
 

Safe in the Dark

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Not bad per se,and only ignorant in some cases....Think of it like this;A young girl is bitten severely by a dog,she grows up to hate dogs.it's rational to fear or dislike something if it hurt you first,if a person(or small group)of a different ethnicity mock you criticize you or beat you up,you might resent the rest simply because you haven't met a Good individual from that group all you've seen is the bad so it's all you know.But it is ignorant to hate someone just for the sake of hatred.
 

direkiller

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Racism is just thoughts
its acting on the thoughts in a harmful way that makes you a bad person

Al Sharpten has said racist things to Jewish people he hasn't acting on them outside of protesting a foreclosure of a record store most people think he isit a genuinely evil/bad person

So your not a bad person till you start burning crosses in people yard or something else that harms another person
 

Cmwissy

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'Bad' is subjective, and even though you may not agree with what someone has to say, do not judge them and treat them harshly indefinitely for them believing as such.
 

ClunkiestTurtle

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I have disowned a fair few people for this kind of reason.

I always respect someones opinion as long as there is some kind of valid argument behind it and it has some justification even if i disagree with it.

There is no justification for racism and if after calling them out on it they seem to see no problem with the ignorance of their views then they are people i would rather not be associated with...
 

Withard

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Someone please set fire to the many soapboxes in this thread please.

The lying is making me feel nauseous now.
 

stabnex

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Humans aren't bad people, they're just idiots.

Some of them deserve to be hated: stealing from family, killing for money, having no disregard for anything other than their devotion to what they hear on the radio. In my experience, all colors and genders are susceptible to ignorance and violence.

Generalizing irrational hatred to color doesn't make someone bad. It's usually born out of fear, or an archaic upbringing.

Think of it like this. Say the topic is pit bulls, and someone winces and says those dogs scare the living hell out of them. Some knee-jerk dog-lover will claim the first person is ignorant because dogs are awesome and lovable companions and that person should be ashamed of themselves for hating dogs. Low and behold, the person with the fear owns a dog and loves it very, very much. Odds are a pit bull bit that person once and they were only expressing a justifiable fear of one particular type of dog.

I personally have a rampant distrust of a certain age group of teenagers and the area where that distrust is proved to be right on the money happens to consist entirely of a certain color of people. I know for a goddamn fact it's the teenage radio slaves responsible, but I am good friends with quite a few others outside of that particular age-group in that area.

Does THAT make me a bad person?