Poll: Does Foul Language Belong in Online 18+ Games?

[squid5580]

Since when is setting up some ground rules censoring? If a person walked into a church and strung together a bunch of F-bombs or even used the words in an effective and proper sentence and then was asked to leave would this discussion be different? Whatever happened to simple courtesy and respect? It seems to me that is all they are asking for.

 

[Skalman]

Since when is setting up some ground rules censoring? If a person walked into a church and strung together a bunch of F-bombs or even used the words in an effective and proper sentence and then was asked to leave would this discussion be different? Whatever happened to simple courtesy and respect? It seems to me that is all they are asking for.

I'm not religious, I don't go to church and I've been in a church a maximum of 10 times in my entire life. That being said...

Why would they go into a church and start swearing in the first place, to me it's no different than to start swearing on the subway all of a sudden.
I wouldn't react much differently to someone swearing on the subway to someone swearing in a church. I'd probably turn my head to see what was going on, then probably stop caring about it.

I'm not one to curse alot, but I'm not really bothered by other people who do.
Exception would be someone who just shouts random profanities in a public place, then I'd just stop and wonder wtf is wrong with the person and move on. Then again I'd do the same thing if someone was shouting different names of vegetables, profanity has nothing to do with it.

 

[squid5580]

Ok maybe church was a bad example. Replace it with school. Or an office. Or any other place where you are expected to have a certain degree of respect. If I cursed up a storm in a classroom I would be on my way to the principal's office and if I posted about it here the response I would expect would be "serves you right for being a dumbass." So why is it different if the rule is clearly posted in an online game and I get booted for doing it?

Don't get me wrong the first word out of my mouth when I am playing a game(offline or on) is usually an F-bomb followed by a string of profanities. Out in my day to day life I curse a fair bit. I also understand that there are places (and around some ppl) this language is inappropriate. So the mature thing to do is curb my tongue when around said ppl or places. I don't see how it is OK for me to do it just because it is online and I am anonymous.

 

[vede]

For all of you who are saying that you don't see how excessive profanity can make one seem childish or dumb, think that perhaps it's not the word, it's how it's used, and the amount of times it's used.

Here's an example. Let's forget all we know about swears and censorship. We've only got words, and each word is equal. Someone says: "Oh blabbing gosh I'm blabbing having a bad blabbing day. I just blabbing wish my stupid-flurg boss could blabbing stop being rav-ignorant and shut the blab up."

He just said "blab," "flurg," and "rav." There's nothing wrong with them, they're just terms. Even so, how would you judge this person? Most people living in this alternate reality would probably say he sounds like an idiot. Not because of the words, but because his vocabulary seems dependent upon them.

Make sense?

 

[Jazzyluv]

For all of you who are saying that you don't see how excessive profanity can make one seem childish or dumb, think that perhaps it's not the word, it's how it's used, and the amount of times it's used.

Here's an example. Let's forget all we know about swears and censorship. We've only got words, and each word is equal. Someone says: "Oh blabbing gosh I'm blabbing having a bad blabbing day. I just blabbing wish my stupid-flurg boss could blabbing stop being rav-ignorant and shut the blab up."

He just said "blab," "flurg," and "rav." There's nothing wrong with them, they're just terms. Even so, how would you judge this person? Most people living in this alternate reality would probably say he sounds like an idiot. Not because of the words, but because his vocabulary seems dependent upon them.

Make sense?

whats the point..... i love the whole argument that using a small vocabulary = stupidity. I know some fairly stupid people who never cuss, and couldn't figure their through a low end job. It's more self-righteous than anything, it's those people that feel that they are "better" and "smarter" because they don't use that form of language.

I i get killed in a scrim in TF2, i say fuck!, demoman on left side under bridge, hes lit up.... fuck is used to attract the attention of the team, they know something bad has happened, and then i give further information... We know the word gets the attention of others, and use that to our advantage.

Soft language distracts from the point of talking, it takes the life out of the words. I have to talk differently around people because they may be offended..... it's stupid, i have tons of mindless people i know at the workplace that i cant say "fuck you" too because, but i can say "you suck". In my mind it means the same thing, and they know that, changing the language doesn't change the feelings behind it. If i scream "I LOVE YOU!" as loud as i can, or i say "i want to kill you" in a nice low voice, what are you gonna be more offended by? Me screaming at you with a nice thing to say, or me talking normally with a not so nice thing to say?

Yeah......

 

[Jamash]

I'm reminded of a scene/line from Dr. Strangelove.

"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here, this is the War Room".

 

[vede]

For all of you who are saying that you don't see how excessive profanity can make one seem childish or dumb, think that perhaps it's not the word, it's how it's used, and the amount of times it's used.

Here's an example. Let's forget all we know about swears and censorship. We've only got words, and each word is equal. Someone says: "Oh blabbing gosh I'm blabbing having a bad blabbing day. I just blabbing wish my stupid-flurg boss could blabbing stop being rav-ignorant and shut the blab up."

He just said "blab," "flurg," and "rav." There's nothing wrong with them, they're just terms. Even so, how would you judge this person? Most people living in this alternate reality would probably say he sounds like an idiot. Not because of the words, but because his vocabulary seems dependent upon them.

Make sense?

whats the point..... i love the whole argument that using a small vocabulary = stupidity. I know some fairly stupid people who never cuss, and couldn't figure their through a low end job. It's more self-righteous than anything, it's those people that feel that they are "better" and "smarter" because they don't use that form of language.

I i get killed in a scrim in TF2, i say fuck!, demoman on left side under bridge, hes lit up.... fuck is used to attract the attention of the team, they know something bad has happened, and then i give further information... We know the word gets the attention of others, and use that to our advantage.

Soft language distracts from the point of talking, it takes the life out of the words. I have to talk differently around people because they may be offended..... it's stupid, i have tons of mindless people i know at the workplace that i cant say "fuck you" too because, but i can say "you suck". In my mind it means the same thing, and they know that, changing the language doesn't change the feelings behind it. If i scream "I LOVE YOU!" as loud as i can, or i say "i want to kill you" in a nice low voice, what are you gonna be more offended by? Me screaming at you with a nice thing to say, or me talking normally with a not so nice thing to say?

Yeah......

So, um, what are you trying to say?

Your first paragraph deals with self-righteousness, which has nothing to do with my argument.

Your second paragraph is about how swearing catches attention, which is also completely irrelevant.

Your third paragraph is basically about how the way things are said can be offensive, which is fairly relevant, but you wrote it as if you were arguing against me, while remaining neutral.

 

[Arntor]

It's fine by me because there's a mute button. Fair trade.

 

[SteinFaust]

it isn't a staple. by no means does anything hinge on the ability to use swears.

 

[Jazzyluv]

For all of you who are saying that you don't see how excessive profanity can make one seem childish or dumb, think that perhaps it's not the word, it's how it's used, and the amount of times it's used.

Here's an example. Let's forget all we know about swears and censorship. We've only got words, and each word is equal. Someone says: "Oh blabbing gosh I'm blabbing having a bad blabbing day. I just blabbing wish my stupid-flurg boss could blabbing stop being rav-ignorant and shut the blab up."

He just said "blab," "flurg," and "rav." There's nothing wrong with them, they're just terms. Even so, how would you judge this person? Most people living in this alternate reality would probably say he sounds like an idiot. Not because of the words, but because his vocabulary seems dependent upon them.

Make sense?

whats the point..... i love the whole argument that using a small vocabulary = stupidity. I know some fairly stupid people who never cuss, and couldn't figure their through a low end job. It's more self-righteous than anything, it's those people that feel that they are "better" and "smarter" because they don't use that form of language.

I i get killed in a scrim in TF2, i say fuck!, demoman on left side under bridge, hes lit up.... fuck is used to attract the attention of the team, they know something bad has happened, and then i give further information... We know the word gets the attention of others, and use that to our advantage.

Soft language distracts from the point of talking, it takes the life out of the words. I have to talk differently around people because they may be offended..... it's stupid, i have tons of mindless people i know at the workplace that i cant say "fuck you" too because, but i can say "you suck". In my mind it means the same thing, and they know that, changing the language doesn't change the feelings behind it. If i scream "I LOVE YOU!" as loud as i can, or i say "i want to kill you" in a nice low voice, what are you gonna be more offended by? Me screaming at you with a nice thing to say, or me talking normally with a not so nice thing to say?

Yeah......

So, um, what are you trying to say?

Your first paragraph deals with self-righteousness, which has nothing to do with my argument.

Your second paragraph is about how swearing catches attention, which is also completely irrelevant.

Your third paragraph is basically about how the way things are said can be offensive, which is fairly relevant, but you wrote it as if you were arguing against me, while remaining neutral.

Its about the whole thought that those that use "swear words" are morally unjust and stupid is complete bullshit... and those that think that are just sad individuals. the second paragraph is essentially saying that cuss words have their place online, they get attention, they can help a team if used correctly... and I'm sorry if i didn't put it across better... but I'm applying this not just to gaming, but to every part of social life.

I feel if people try to restrict language, and tell me what i can and can't say whether it is just words, racial dialog, concepts and ideas that are controversial. We have ripped the life out of all kinds of words, this is a continued debate brought up by those that are naive about what language is meant to do. It is to express ideas, concepts, and emotions to others... if you think that restricting certain words will enlighten make the world safer or more pleasant, then you are flat out wrong, and there are alot of people like that, that tell you what to say, and more importantly, what to think. Anything bad, evil, or unpleasant needs to be covered up under jargon, to distract from the point of what they are saying. If people used more honest and direct language, i believe the world would be a much better place... and if you don't want to hear a kid saying fuck, leave the server...

Yes, i know its a rant, and im sorry if pissed anyone off because of that(or offended if you wanted me to use soft language)

 

[BallPtPenTheif]

But as a good teacher once said to me, "Someone who uses an enormous amount of profanity simply isn't Smart enough to think of a more creative or subtle way of insulting someone"

I'm sorry but that is just an elitist cop out that teacheres have been using for years. As I have said before, there are many intelligent stand-up comedians that use an insane amount of curse words yet are still capable of expressing creative and complex observations.

Curse words are just other words and they serve their own purpose and literary value when used creatively in smart ways.

Also, many essential authors readily use vulgarities in their work since they provide a proper tone and accessibility (read Bukowski sometime).

 

[Ronmarru]

I think the defining aspect is the emotion. Meaning that if you unload an entire clip into someone's face just to be killed by a single headshot, it'd be acceptible to say fuck to express your frustration. Maybe even calling that guy a fucker would be OK. The problem is when you completely unload on someone with a string of dozens of curses whether you have a reason or not. Not to mention it makes you look like a fucking loser(see how I express my emotion). Of course once you include racial or sexual slurs then it changes from expression of frustration to expression of hate, which should not be acceptible anywhere.

 

[BallPtPenTheif]

He just said "blab," "flurg," and "rav." There's nothing wrong with them, they're just terms. Even so, how would you judge this person? Most people living in this alternate reality would probably say he sounds like an idiot. Not because of the words, but because his vocabulary seems dependent upon them.

Make sense?

Good point.. within your context here's another example:

I just flurged the rav out of your mom and blabbed on her face.

See... the lack of "curse" words didn't make that sentence any less digusting.

 

[Necromaniacal]

I think the whole notion of a non-swearing server isnt because sweariong offends the sever owner(s), it's because we all get a little tired of that one moron with voice chat who NEEDS to turn the simple and fun act of playing a computer game, into some personal ego trip or personal attack on his skills.

Personally if i had a server of my own id ban theese people and not the people swearing out of shock (i.e getting jumped or headshotted or lag spikes etc) but the guy running around screaming "F*** yeah im F***ing amazing your all just stupid mother f***ers, you cant f***ing touch me" is an unwelcome part of gaming in general so id kick/ban him, but the argument stands, where is that line drawn? 1 curse word 2? its easier in theese situations to just say "No swearing" most people who say "Oh fucker shot me damn it!" will apoligise when called on it, the arrogant moron who uses swear words due to their inability to comunicate will more than likely tell the person who took issue to fuckoff blah blah blah, and will be removed, at least thats how ive seen it working.

I understand that gamning can be serious buisness (I know as i take gaming fairly seriously) but in the end its game, and when you turn off the computer or console and walk away, nothing has changed, everything you left before going on is still their.

Just my 2 cents, a little off topic but my point stands.