Poll: Dog Torture vs. Rapist

[KR-105]

There's a lot of people complaining about violence in video games, fictional violence in most of the cases, but when the violence is real you, americans, want to glorify it.
OP I find your argument poorly elaborated, the main issue here is that no criminal should appear as paradigm for young people, and not a comparison of the gravity of crimes. In the end a crime is a crime and a criminal should be punished and no rewarded, Ok he spent his time in jail for what he did, but is too soon to just forget about it, he has yet to prove that he really has changed, and that can't be achived just catching and throwing a ball.

 

[Zaik]

Cause people care more about animals than people they don't know.

Also because women throw around the word rape so often that it just sounds like a noise, and dog noises are cuter than woman noises, which are shrill and agitating. Also everyone has heard over 9000 stories about women calling buyer's remorse rape, or just outright making it up and crying a river when called to explain how she got raped by someone who was 500 miles away that entire week.

 

[Grey_Focks]

... The entire thread is about comparing animal cruelty to rape. What thread are you reading brother?

technically it's about comparing people's reactions to pro-athletes who commit heinous crimes continuing to appear on video game covers, the title really just seems like it was meant to attract attention, since that certainly wasn't the poll question. If it was, this thread would have been closed pretty quickly. The only one's who I've seen insinuate that the two crimes are at all comparable are you and the other gentleman I quoted.

 

[Icaruss]

Vick's a prick who will get buried behind his shitty O-line next season and if their any justice in the world (doubtful) will be Tied to a wooden stake covered in BBQ sauce and Ripped to fething shreds by a pack of Demonic Fething wolves.But I always thought the Bryant case was he said she said.The ah rothisburger(The steeler QB)

 

[Hairetos]

Forced someone to have sex with him

Fight dogs til they die.

Yeah, even if Kobe were convicted, the animal abuse here is much worse.

 

[Canid117]

Wait, was Kobe ever convicted of rape?

No and as I recall the evidence was very dubious. Is he a great guy? Not really, he did cheat on his wife but is he a rapist? I highly doubt it. The conviction of Vick was pretty damn solid.

 

[thedeathscythe]

All the rapists and chimos that I know tend to rate themselves as better than 'murderers'

Please tell, how many rapists and chimos do you know?

OT: I think that it's EA's game, and they can put whoever they want on the cover. I think that if they decide to use purely their talent at the sport, then that's fine. I also think that if they take into account that person's character, then that's also fine. Personally, I don't care that he did that in regards to him being on the cover of a game that I will not buy. If people are so offended by him being on the cover, speak with your wallet and don't buy the game. I work in a retail store and every day I see customers speak with their wallet, either for or against a product. You would be surprised the message that can be received when we haven't sold a single pair of shoes for any given style.

 

[Defense]

So if a truck was about to hit a dog and a human, you'd have trouble deciding which one to save?

No. No trouble whatsoever. The answer would be neither. Cause the most important life to me is my own. And I aint about to jump in front of a truck putting my ass in danger for either of them.

I meant it to be a completely hypothetical situation, where you could save one and get away without a scratch.

 

[duchaked]

I don't wanna undermine the severity of dogfighting as a crime, but I wouldn't consider it to be a crime that Vick should NEVAR EVAR be forgiven for (and by forgiven I don't mean you gotta like him, but everyone seems intent on lynching him here).

He's been punished and has moved on from it, and while that doesn't mean I or anyone should just ignore his past crime forever, it doesn't mean we should hold it against him forever. Especially when it's in the context of sports and the ability to play (such as this with the being on the cover and all or whatnot).

 

[duchaked]

Forced someone to have sex with him

Fight dogs til they die.

Yeah, even if Kobe were convicted, the animal abuse here is much worse.

erm...not talking about anyone in particular here, but I'd say rape is pretty darn bad. it's up there for me

 

[Grey_Focks]

Forced someone to have sex with him

Fight dogs til they die.

Yeah, even if Kobe were convicted, the animal abuse here is much worse.

Please, PLEASE tell me that you're being sarcastic, or trolling, or whatever the kids call it these days. If not, then I'm sorry, but you have a fucked up set of ideals.

 

[godfist88]

no, he's a freak.

 

[Hairetos]

Forced someone to have sex with him

Fight dogs til they die.

Yeah, even if Kobe were convicted, the animal abuse here is much worse.

Please, PLEASE tell me that you're being sarcastic, or trolling, or whatever the kids call it these days. If not, then I'm sorry, but you have a fucked up set of ideals.

Nope, totally serious.

Yeah, rape's bad, probably the most traumatic thing most people who experience have ever gone through.

They didn't die and weren't forced to kill other people.

 

[AgDr_ODST]

Yes he should be allowed to be on the cover, he's a great athlete and thats what this whole vote thing is about but in terms of Vick as a person and his actions....Hell No fuck that guy!!!

 

[BarbaricGoose]

Terrible people make it to the covers of these games, but it's not the content of their character that matters, it's their sports ability.

Let's say there was a game about managing a work force... would you put Hitler on the cover? Cause ya gotta admit, he did GREAT in that department. I mean, think of what he almost accomplished. Pretty incredible. His ability as a motivator and a leader are matched only by, say Alexander. Obviously, Alexander the Great would be on the first cover, but right behind him--Hitler.

I don't like comparing things to Hitler, but I just thought this was too good to pass up. And I just don't get how people can say things like:

None of those things should have any bearing AT ALL on his status as a sports player.

Does morality hold no value? Why reward an asshole undeserving of respect? If Vick committed only minor offences, I'd be fine with him on the cover. I could overlook little things like petty theft, pot possession, and maybe even assault and/or battery if the victim was alright. Take Michael Phelps, for instance. He seems like a good guy, and he's a damn good athlete. I don't think he deserved all the flak he got for the drug possession, and if there was a swimming franchise or something, I'd vote for him to be the cover athlete. If, however, he raped or murdered someone, there's no fucking way I'd want him rewarded for that.

I gotta go back to the Hitler thing again. If you truly believe what you say, then you should have no problem with Hitler being on the cover of, we'll say, Generic Sports-esque Game About Leadership 2k12. Based solely on his abilities as a leader he's an excellent candidate for the... cover commander. BUT, can you overlook the fact that he brutally massacred, you know, 6 million people? See, I couldn't do that. And I'm not willing to overlook the fact that Michael Vick is a total scumbag just because he's, as Bob said, "Pretty good at throwing and catching a ball."

This all turned out slightly more comedic than I'd anticipated, especially that last paragraph. But I implore you, read it in a serious voice, with a super-serious face.

 

[Grey_Focks]

Nope, totally serious.

Yeah, rape's bad, probably the most traumatic thing most people who experience have ever gone through.

They didn't die and weren't forced to kill other people.

...So then, I take it you consider a dog's life to be equal to that of a human's life? Alright, I give, this thread has me tired out. I won't try to convince you that a person's life is worth more, but I will say I personally believe (along with the majority of people on this planet) that a human life is the most precious thing there is, and that while I love dogs, and I would certainly be upset if my dog was brutally killed, I have no delusions that the two crimes are even in the same ballpark. I now bid you a good night.

 

[SageRuffin]

I say no.

Why? Because he was already on the cover of Madden once before. Why have him on the cover twice? I don't watch football unless it involves the Ravens, so I can't think of anyone else suitable for the cover.

Yes, I'm deliberately avoiding the core topic at hand. I'm not gonna get caught up in this maelstrom.

 

[gamer_parent]

Am I the only one who thinks that the person adorning the game cover should at least be known as an upstanding citizen first? I mean, yeah, I get it, if we make ethical character a standard the only people we'd have left from the roster to put on the cover would be the towel boy, but am I the only one who thinks this is part of the larger issue?

 

[AquaAscension]

None of those things should have any bearing AT ALL on his status as a sports player. Terrible people make it to the covers of these games, but it's not the content of their character that matters, it's their sports ability.

Yeah... uhhh, this...

Please, for the love of god, I hope you're being ironic/sarcastic here. Touche if yes. And, well... so many things wrong if no.

On topic: you're right, terrible things have been done by sports people/people in the sports world (as my grammar is slipping I notice I'm sleepy, withered). However, the devilishness of one act ought not to excuse the slightly lesser or worse acts of another. That's kind of like defending Stalin by saying, "Hey man, at least that douche wasn't Hitler." Or, slightly more analogous: "Hey man, you shouldn't hate so much on Hitler because he really only persecuted the Jews." Wrong, so very, very wrong on both counts. Granted, in this case one is dogs and one is people, and it is incredibly difficult to draw a line that will stay purely white or black, unspotted, so to speak, with the staining grey tones the world loves to throw. But I suppose here's one: According to our criminal justice system, the facts stacked up against Vick. He was convicted and sentenced for his crimes. He is guilty. Kobe was acquitted. Is the U.S. criminal justice system a good enough judge of right/wrong? Perhaps not, yet it is the one thing that seems to be different in these two cases.

Oh, sorry one last thing directed towards the original poster: I cannot stand when people try to answer an argument with a question that seems relevent but really, really isn't. So what are your reasons for Vick being Maddenized? This discussion cannot advance forward with only empty questions consisting of "Why did" or "Why didn'ts" - it can only be moved forward even the tiniest bit by examining our reasoning, assessing our biases, and attempting to discern a place from which we can settle, proud in our understanding of something close to truth.