Poll: Dovahkiin vs. Nerevarine

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Ignoring the mechanics of the game (which should be ignored as both are based in the same universe and where only changed for "balance" purposes by the devs) you are comparing a super-soldier to a super-general. In a 1-on-1 fight Id be placing my bets on the Dovahkiin, because the Thu'um is hard to argue with when the arms + armour and skill are essentially the same between fighters. But if it were war between Skyrim and Morrowind (during the 3rd age so both are at full strength) with each champion leading their respective nations, I'd easily bet on the reincarnate general.
 

RedRockRun

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Dovahkiin no question.

Because I'm fairly versed in the beyond-the-game lore of Tamriel, I'll spell it out.

The Nerevarine is an incarnation of General Nerevar Indoril. Now while Nerevar was quite the warrior, given that he took down slews of angry Nords in his day and at the Battle of Red Mountain, he was an accomplished diplomat as well, as he was Hortator of the five Great Houses and united the Ashlander clans against the Nords and Lorkhan at Red Mountain. That being said, he could only be summed up as an extraordinary soldier and commander. He also had Azura on his side, and that doesn't hurt either.

Dovahkiin on the other hand is the crux of greater power. He is what you would call Shezzarine, or an incarnation of Shezzar, or Shor as the Nords call him. Shor is nothing short of the greatest warrior to ever set foot on Nirn, as he is the Heartless, living embodiment of the Missing God Lorkhan. In fact they are the exact same. After creation or Convention, Lorkhan was killed and his Heart ripped from his body. The Heart, as any Morrowind fan will know, was deposited in Resdayn, later called Morrowind by the Velothi pilgrims who would eventually become the Dunmer. One of the Towers, Red Tower would grow around the Heart, and Time would begin. Lorkhan's body would stay in the sky though, becoming Masser and Secunda, the twin moons of Nirn. However after Lorkhan's death, he would appear on Nirn as a Heartless warrior-wanderer. The Nords would call him Shor, with the Cyrodiils calling him Shezzar.

Later on however in the first era, the first Shezzarine would appear in the form of Pelinal Whitestrake, as seen in Knights of the Nine. Pelinal would go on to help Alessia and Morihaus defeat the Ayleids or Heartland Elves and create the first Empire of Cyrodiil.

Another Shezzarine would come as Talos Stormcrown, the High Rock general who would help King Cuhlecain at Old Hroldan and eventually conquer Colovia and later use Walk-Brass Tower or Numidium to siege Alinor and conquer the first Aldmeri Dominion, thus conquering all of Tamriel, save Hammerfell and Morrowind (as Morrowind was allowed autonomy because the Tribunal gave Talos/Tiber Septim the pieces of Numidium).

Dovahkiin is Shezzarine as well. His power is that of Talos which is to say the power of Shor, and Shor is among the most powerful beings in TES universe.

If Dovahkiin was allowed even a sliver of the Thu'um that other Shezzarines like King Wulfharth and Talos had, Skyrim would be so easy it wouldn't even be funny. Talos' Thu'um could repel arrows, and Wulfharth could swallow storm clouds and Shout people blind and out of existence. In the Five Songs of King Wulfharth, he is even described as Shouting Time apart to age his people out of infancy when Alduin ate their years.

Even with Morrowind's uber-player mechanics, a master of Thu'um is unbeatable. When Talos left High Hrothgar, the Nords called him Ysmir because they no longer saw a man but a dragon.

Welcome to the world of crazy, over-the-top TES lore.
 

Nieroshai

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Jaeke said:
Stuntcrab said:
Dovahkiin

He'll just shout Nerevarine off a cliff
Levitation baby!
If I remember, you couldn't cast spells while staggered back then either. It's all a matter of who shoots first, I think. If the Dovahkiin gets in the first shot, the Nerevarine's levitation is about as useful as any other interrupted spell.
 

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Well if we consider the worlds that each main character comes from, I'd have to pick Nerevarine. I loved everything about Morrowind and it has one special feature that blows the whole "Dovahkiin can shout" argument out of the water.

He can levitate.

Plus, all those fantastic Morrowind artifacts just don't exist in Skyrim. You'll never find any equipment that can come close to some of the more powerful artifacts in TES: III(Daedric Crescent, Goldbrand, and Trueflame [http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Tribunal:Trueflame]) that apparently disappeared.



On a side note: aren't ___ vs ___ threads generally frowned upon?
 

Nexus4

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Hmmm...I would normally say Nevy but he would just spend 5 hours swinging at Dova before actually landing a hit.
 

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Love that fact there's some valid arguments here, not surprised in the polling though. Skyrim is more relevant because it newer, so more people are going to vote for the Dovahkiin.
 

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Kaiser Jon said:
Dovahkiin no question.

Because I'm fairly versed in the beyond-the-game lore of Tamriel, I'll spell it out.

The Nerevarine is an incarnation of General Nerevar Indoril. Now while Nerevar was quite the warrior, given that he took down slews of angry Nords in his day and at the Battle of Red Mountain, he was an accomplished diplomat as well, as he was Hortator of the five Great Houses and united the Ashlander clans against the Nords and Lorkhan at Red Mountain. That being said, he could only be summed up as an extraordinary soldier and commander. He also had Azura on his side, and that doesn't hurt either.

Dovahkiin on the other hand is the crux of greater power. He is what you would call Shezzarine, or an incarnation of Shezzar, or Shor as the Nords call him. Shor is nothing short of the greatest warrior to ever set foot on Nirn, as he is the Heartless, living embodiment of the Missing God Lorkhan. In fact they are the exact same. After creation or Convention, Lorkhan was killed and his Heart ripped from his body. The Heart, as any Morrowind fan will know, was deposited in Resdayn, later called Morrowind by the Velothi pilgrims who would eventually become the Dunmer. One of the Towers, Red Tower would grow around the Heart, and Time would begin. Lorkhan's body would stay in the sky though, becoming Masser and Secunda, the twin moons of Nirn. However after Lorkhan's death, he would appear on Nirn as a Heartless warrior-wanderer. The Nords would call him Shor, with the Cyrodiils calling him Shezzar.

Later on however in the first era, the first Shezzarine would appear in the form of Pelinal Whitestrake, as seen in Knights of the Nine. Pelinal would go on to help Alessia and Morihaus defeat the Ayleids or Heartland Elves and create the first Empire of Cyrodiil.

Another Shezzarine would come as Talos Stormcrown, the High Rock general who would help King Cuhlecain at Old Hroldan and eventually conquer Colovia and later use Walk-Brass Tower or Numidium to siege Alinor and conquer the first Aldmeri Dominion, thus conquering all of Tamriel, save Hammerfell and Morrowind (as Morrowind was allowed autonomy because the Tribunal gave Talos/Tiber Septim the pieces of Numidium).

Dovahkiin is Shezzarine as well. His power is that of Talos which is to say the power of Shor, and Shor is among the most powerful beings in TES universe.

If Dovahkiin was allowed even a sliver of the Thu'um that other Shezzarines like King Wulfharth and Talos had, Skyrim would be so easy it wouldn't even be funny. Talos' Thu'um could repel arrows, and Wulfharth could swallow storm clouds and Shout people blind and out of existence. In the Five Songs of King Wulfharth, he is even described as Shouting Time apart to age his people out of infancy when Alduin ate their years.

Even with Morrowind's uber-player mechanics, a master of Thu'um is unbeatable. When Talos left High Hrothgar, the Nords called him Ysmir because they no longer saw a man but a dragon.

Welcome to the world of crazy, over-the-top TES lore.
Makes you wonder what dovhakiin will do after the game ends doesnt it if the dovhakiins power grows further...Singlehandedly destroy the thalmor? Take over skyrim and all of tamriel and create a new empire?

after all, he has that dragon odhaviig to learn from, and the greybeards may continue to teach him after they deem him 'wise' enough...
 

Normalguyinthehouse

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Nerevarine had two god killing weapons and had already technically killed two (at least) gods and was immune to aging and all diseases
 

spartandude

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Nerevarine killed gods, can fly, throw knives and wear medium armour. Is also (in terms of lore) a Dunmer, therefor he is made of win

Dovahkin just talks loudly so dont bring him to the cinima with you
 

imnot

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DOvahkiin can turn people into ice cubes nerevarines argument is invalid.
 

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Well my Dovakhin is pretty tough but my Nerevarine could run faster than a horse, jump over buildings and explode the world with his magic powers. Also the corpus pretty much made him immortal (based on my understanding of it anyways)
 

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Jaeke said:
I'm interested to see the results.
Nerevarine is blessed by a Daedra and one of the most influential figures.
Dovahkiin has a dragon's soul and use of the Thu'um.
Ah, but lest we not forget that the Dovahkiin gets not only blessings but can become the champions of many other Daedric Princes... (So far, I'm champion to Namira, Molag Bol, Boethiah and Nocturnal... and I've met and dealt with Sheogorath)
 

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Fieldy409 said:
Kaiser Jon said:
Dovahkiin no question.

Because I'm fairly versed in the beyond-the-game lore of Tamriel, I'll spell it out.

The Nerevarine is an incarnation of General Nerevar Indoril. Now while Nerevar was quite the warrior, given that he took down slews of angry Nords in his day and at the Battle of Red Mountain, he was an accomplished diplomat as well, as he was Hortator of the five Great Houses and united the Ashlander clans against the Nords and Lorkhan at Red Mountain. That being said, he could only be summed up as an extraordinary soldier and commander. He also had Azura on his side, and that doesn't hurt either.

Dovahkiin on the other hand is the crux of greater power. He is what you would call Shezzarine, or an incarnation of Shezzar, or Shor as the Nords call him. Shor is nothing short of the greatest warrior to ever set foot on Nirn, as he is the Heartless, living embodiment of the Missing God Lorkhan. In fact they are the exact same. After creation or Convention, Lorkhan was killed and his Heart ripped from his body. The Heart, as any Morrowind fan will know, was deposited in Resdayn, later called Morrowind by the Velothi pilgrims who would eventually become the Dunmer. One of the Towers, Red Tower would grow around the Heart, and Time would begin. Lorkhan's body would stay in the sky though, becoming Masser and Secunda, the twin moons of Nirn. However after Lorkhan's death, he would appear on Nirn as a Heartless warrior-wanderer. The Nords would call him Shor, with the Cyrodiils calling him Shezzar.

Later on however in the first era, the first Shezzarine would appear in the form of Pelinal Whitestrake, as seen in Knights of the Nine. Pelinal would go on to help Alessia and Morihaus defeat the Ayleids or Heartland Elves and create the first Empire of Cyrodiil.

Another Shezzarine would come as Talos Stormcrown, the High Rock general who would help King Cuhlecain at Old Hroldan and eventually conquer Colovia and later use Walk-Brass Tower or Numidium to siege Alinor and conquer the first Aldmeri Dominion, thus conquering all of Tamriel, save Hammerfell and Morrowind (as Morrowind was allowed autonomy because the Tribunal gave Talos/Tiber Septim the pieces of Numidium).

Dovahkiin is Shezzarine as well. His power is that of Talos which is to say the power of Shor, and Shor is among the most powerful beings in TES universe.

If Dovahkiin was allowed even a sliver of the Thu'um that other Shezzarines like King Wulfharth and Talos had, Skyrim would be so easy it wouldn't even be funny. Talos' Thu'um could repel arrows, and Wulfharth could swallow storm clouds and Shout people blind and out of existence. In the Five Songs of King Wulfharth, he is even described as Shouting Time apart to age his people out of infancy when Alduin ate their years.

Even with Morrowind's uber-player mechanics, a master of Thu'um is unbeatable. When Talos left High Hrothgar, the Nords called him Ysmir because they no longer saw a man but a dragon.

Welcome to the world of crazy, over-the-top TES lore.
Makes you wonder what dovhakiin will do after the game ends doesnt it if the dovhakiins power grows further...Singlehandedly destroy the thalmor? Take over skyrim and all of tamriel and create a new empire?

after all, he has that dragon odhaviig to learn from, and the greybeards may continue to teach him after they deem him 'wise' enough...
He becomes the new EMPRAH of the empire imo and kicks the Thalmor's ass and puts everything back in it's place. Also he becomes a divine like Tiber Septim before him.
 

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Nerevarine, no contest.

-arbitrarily high health
-arbitrarily high damage
-arbitrarily fast movement
-can fly

Wins melee in 1 hit, while a fully optimized Dragonborn would need to hack away at the Nerevarine's life total for longer than the age of the universe.

Can pull off a Flawless Victory by flying out of range and spamming AoE destruction spells.
 

hazabaza1

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Dovahkiin has power attacks, the Thu'um, dual wielding, x30 sneak damage, and dragon armour.
Neravarine has to swing his sword 20 times to hit a scrib.