Poll: Dovahkiin vs. Nerevarine

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SonOfVoorhees

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Nerevarine could levitate away from the shouts. Although i found the shouts ineffective against everything apart from low level creatures so rarely used them. Nerevarine would kick ass.
 

Kyber

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i would say The Champion of Cyrodiil to be funny and original but most of the people i fought in Oblivion seemed to be pretty sure they had battled mudcrabs better than me.

now back to the real question: do you mean the Dovahkiin of the fourth era (aka the one you play in skyrim) or any other dovahkiin? because if its a battle between nerevarine and tiber septim, im going to say good ol' Tiber, because hes just too epic, and i have not seen Nerevarines face in any god damn coin ive seen, nor have i visited any empires he has founded :p
 

Adam Jensen_v1legacy

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I love my Nerevarine more because I played more than a 1000 hours with him, and Morrowind story is still the best one in TES. Also, Nerevar has history before Nerevarine, making him more of a character than Dragonborn.
 

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NoneOfYourBusiness said:
i would say The Champion of Cyrodiil to be funny and original but most of the people i fought in Oblivion seemed to be pretty sure they had battled mudcrabs better than me.

now back to the real question: do you mean the Dovahkiin of the fourth era (aka the one you play in skyrim) or any other dovahkiin? because if its a battle between nerevarine and tiber septim, im going to say good ol' Tiber, because hes just too epic, and i have not seen Nerevarines face in any god damn coin ive seen, nor have i visited any empires he has founded :p
Actually, an avatar of Talos (Wulf), appears in Morrowind, and he goes down pretty easily.
 

bigwon

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NERAVARINE! NERAVARINE! NERAVARINE!

on a serious note: All he needs is his 100000000000x enchanted sword....:D
 

Kahunaburger

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Dovahkiin can fus ro dah, but Nerevarine has custom spells. So really no contest there. That horn-helmed N'wah is going down!
 

Nieroshai

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arragonder said:
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Dovahkiin

He'll just shout Nerevarine off a cliff
Levitation baby!
If I remember, you couldn't cast spells while staggered back then either. It's all a matter of who shoots first, I think. If the Dovahkiin gets in the first shot, the Nerevarine's levitation is about as useful as any other interrupted spell.
ring of slow fall for one point. then the scroll of icarian flight to jump back to the top of the mountain. Blind, deaf, silence. Or another way to argue it, the nerevarine killed a god, a godman's going to be easier to deal with.
If we get to use gear from the respective games then, time for the Dovahkiin to whip out the Elder Scroll. Hope you turned away in time.
 

SLy AsymMetrY

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A history lesson I actually enjoyed! As you seem to be in the know, I have two questions. Has TES lore EVER explained the disappearance of the Dwemer? And why are Aedra not in the games?
 

Valthonis666

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Byere said:
Jaeke said:
I'm interested to see the results.
Nerevarine is blessed by a Daedra and one of the most influential figures.
Dovahkiin has a dragon's soul and use of the Thu'um.
Ah, but lest we not forget that the Dovahkiin gets not only blessings but can become the champions of many other Daedric Princes... (So far, I'm champion to Namira, Molag Bol, Boethiah and Nocturnal... and I've met and dealt with Sheogorath)

AND you get to become the Campion of Nocturnal, Hermaeus Mora, as well as Befriending Clavicus Vile's best friend [the dog.... Barbas i think is his name.] All but like.... 1 of the Daedric Prices you meat as Dova make you their champion. the total list is:


Azura, Boethiah, Clavicus Vile, Hermaeus Mora, Hircine, Malacath, Mehrunes Dagon, Mephala, Meridia, Molag Bal, Namira, Nocturnal, Peryite, Sanguine, Sheogorath, Vaermina

With all but Clavicus you can become their Champion. :D
 

retyopy

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Kaiser Jon said:
Dovahkiin no question.

Because I'm fairly versed in the beyond-the-game lore of Tamriel, I'll spell it out.

The Nerevarine is an incarnation of General Nerevar Indoril. Now while Nerevar was quite the warrior, given that he took down slews of angry Nords in his day and at the Battle of Red Mountain, he was an accomplished diplomat as well, as he was Hortator of the five Great Houses and united the Ashlander clans against the Nords and Lorkhan at Red Mountain. That being said, he could only be summed up as an extraordinary soldier and commander. He also had Azura on his side, and that doesn't hurt either.

Dovahkiin on the other hand is the crux of greater power. He is what you would call Shezzarine, or an incarnation of Shezzar, or Shor as the Nords call him. Shor is nothing short of the greatest warrior to ever set foot on Nirn, as he is the Heartless, living embodiment of the Missing God Lorkhan. In fact they are the exact same. After creation or Convention, Lorkhan was killed and his Heart ripped from his body. The Heart, as any Morrowind fan will know, was deposited in Resdayn, later called Morrowind by the Velothi pilgrims who would eventually become the Dunmer. One of the Towers, Red Tower would grow around the Heart, and Time would begin. Lorkhan's body would stay in the sky though, becoming Masser and Secunda, the twin moons of Nirn. However after Lorkhan's death, he would appear on Nirn as a Heartless warrior-wanderer. The Nords would call him Shor, with the Cyrodiils calling him Shezzar.

Later on however in the first era, the first Shezzarine would appear in the form of Pelinal Whitestrake, as seen in Knights of the Nine. Pelinal would go on to help Alessia and Morihaus defeat the Ayleids or Heartland Elves and create the first Empire of Cyrodiil.

Another Shezzarine would come as Talos Stormcrown, the High Rock general who would help King Cuhlecain at Old Hroldan and eventually conquer Colovia and later use Walk-Brass Tower or Numidium to siege Alinor and conquer the first Aldmeri Dominion, thus conquering all of Tamriel, save Hammerfell and Morrowind (as Morrowind was allowed autonomy because the Tribunal gave Talos/Tiber Septim the pieces of Numidium).

Dovahkiin is Shezzarine as well. His power is that of Talos which is to say the power of Shor, and Shor is among the most powerful beings in TES universe.

If Dovahkiin was allowed even a sliver of the Thu'um that other Shezzarines like King Wulfharth and Talos had, Skyrim would be so easy it wouldn't even be funny. Talos' Thu'um could repel arrows, and Wulfharth could swallow storm clouds and Shout people blind and out of existence. In the Five Songs of King Wulfharth, he is even described as Shouting Time apart to age his people out of infancy when Alduin ate their years.

Even with Morrowind's uber-player mechanics, a master of Thu'um is unbeatable. When Talos left High Hrothgar, the Nords called him Ysmir because they no longer saw a man but a dragon.

Welcome to the world of crazy, over-the-top TES lore.
I have just learned more from you in 1 minute than I have in a month of studying The Elder Scrolls Wiki. [http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Special:WikiActivity]
 

Wayneguard

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Dovhakiin can slow time and slap the nerevarine with a weapon with two damage enchants on it. And any shots the nerevarine gets in are cancelled out by dovhakiins zero cost restoration spells!

Mind you the imperial champion could kill them both with 1000 damage spells!
Nerevar laughs at your pitiful items with only 2 enchanted effects.
 

vivalahelvig

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My neravarine was a living god who insta-gibbed everything. He has full daedric, with assorted heavy armor artifacts. I have spells that could kill gods, and i have 1000s of strength!
Dovah or not, i am indestructible!
 

Sjakie

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It would be Nerevarine.

cast levitate, then summon some dremora and just dodge whatever dova throws/shouts at him, maybe throw a bunch of paralyze spells on him as well
 

joshuaayt

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Nerevarine. He's like the god of xenophobia! He can just pointedly hate the people who oppose him until they fuck off.

Besides, Morrowind let you develop your character to beyond godhood, so he's got that.
 

Pandaman1911

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Well considering that the Nerevarine doesn't have any special talents or anything, and the Dovahkiin can, oh I don't know, BREATHE FUCKING FIRE/FROST/ETC... gee, not much of a battle there.
Sure, don't get me wrong, Nerevar was an amazing man, and his reincarnation was just as amazing, but it's kind of fucking hard to compete with dragonborn.
 

Estocavio

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Weve all assumed Dovahkiin has all His Shouts, therefore Nerevar gets to be at his Full Potential as well.

To begin with, this would need to be on Neutral Territory. Fight on the Throat of the World, and Shouting becomes OP, but only by Convenience. Levitation or Feather Spells, which even most New-Starters had as Nerevar would render it Harmless, albeit annoying to get back up to the top in a timely manner. So if Victory by Boredom is the Goal... Fight in Dagoth Ur, and Nerevar can Navigate between the Platforms and Walkways in a way Dovahkiin couldnt even imagine attempting. And if He tried, Hed probably fall down into the Lava, or down to His otherwise certain Death.

So, Neutral Fighting Arena. No Advantages.

Dovahkiin has Shouting, and some decent Magic, Strong Armour, and Weapons. Albeit, Dovahkiin doesnt have as much Health, Magicka, and Fatigue as what Nerevar did.
Nerevar has Strong Magic, Comparatively Decent Armour, Weapons, and more Health, Magicka, and Fatigue. Nerevar has the advantage of Speed, and Strength, as well as Acrobatics.
We will assume no Buffs have been used. (Potions, etc)

I believe Nerevar has a hefty advantage. Not only can Nerevar cast Spells to allow Himself to Fly, but He can also Fly, Attack, Defend, AND swoop in with Rapid Melee. Whilst Dovahkiin is strapped to the Ground. Dovahkiin could theoretically Shout Unrelenting Force at Nerevar, but the possibility of a Reflect Spell is present. Assuming it isnt, itd just knock Nerevar down. If Dovahkiin then attempted to Injure Him, Hed only have 1-3 seconds as Nerevar stands up, before He goes back into the Air.
And if He stayed Grounded, Hes drastically faster than Dovahkiin. And He can literally Jump over Him like Hes nothing.
So whats left? Dovahkiin can become Ethereal, but then, He cant attack. He can make His Skin Iron, but that only REDUCES Damage from already Stronger Weapons and Spells.
Marking Nerevar for Death wouldnt work, since Nerevar could Dismiss the Effect. And even if He couldnt, its so slow Hed barely know it was happening, and its nothing a flick of the fingers for the cheapest Healing Spell couldnt fix.

Overall, Dovahkiin wouldnt stand a chance.

EDIT: Nerevar also has Invisibility. Which would require Dovahkiin to Detect Life. Whilst He was doing that, Nerevar would already be attacking Him due to His Agility.
And if He was losing? He may well have Marked the Ground, and used Divine Intervention to chill at a Temple for a while. Then Recalled when He was at 100%, and Dovahkiin was sitting there with damaged Armour, waiting for Him to finally get back.
 

New York Patrick

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Nerevarine has Sunder and Keening... and Wraithguard... and, as mentioned before, can levitate, and enchantments and spells that are only limited in power simply by how much money he has.

Although, I like to think of my Nerevarine and Dovahkiin as one in the same... so...