Poll: DRM and the complainers
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You don't need a hotspot. Or at least I don't. My connection has been very crappy for some time so I haven't always been able to be online. When Steam starts and fails to connect it gives me the choice of quitting or starting in Offline Mode. Choosing the last grants me the ability to play my games. In single player of course. But since the whole problem is a broken connection I don't find that to be big surprise. It works like a charm.incal11 said:
I sometimes use my brothers computer as well, but I can't play his games. They list as pre loaded or something but I have to cough up the green to play. I do however borrow his account to play some of his games in offline mode, and there is no problems.
In general Steam seems to work for me. I get to play my games where ever I want. I get to install as much as I want and when and where I want. I get a online community and a system for making friends of people I enjoy playing with. It's not prone to crashes. It updates my games. It's (sometimes) cheap. But there is of course always room for improvement.
ah , I guess my bad experiences with steam made me think that connection was always required at one point, to keep playing.
The whole thing being more or less dependant of connection must be really just to stop reselling .
If you just buy and download the game on the net I can understand ; data being such a special format.
I don't understand why I should have to stand all this if I paid for a physical copy; if the gaming industry cannot manage the re-selling of games correctly it is their fault , I don't have to suffer from it.
The whole thing being more or less dependant of connection must be really just to stop reselling .
If you just buy and download the game on the net I can understand ; data being such a special format.
I don't understand why I should have to stand all this if I paid for a physical copy; if the gaming industry cannot manage the re-selling of games correctly it is their fault , I don't have to suffer from it.
DRM... i dont mind having to enter a CD key printed clearly on the disk or the back of the case. throw some super-strong encryption on the game, sure, as long as it still plays good and i never notice it. but how does limiting me to three installs stop pirates?
but complaining isnt good enough. do NOT buy games with restrictive DRM. that means NOTHING by EA. if you really MUST have it and cannot restrain yourself, well, if you dont have an internet connection i have a LOT of questions for you.
but complaining isnt good enough. do NOT buy games with restrictive DRM. that means NOTHING by EA. if you really MUST have it and cannot restrain yourself, well, if you dont have an internet connection i have a LOT of questions for you.
The basic problem with most DRM is the fact that it doesn't actually prevent piracy.
Thus, effectively, DRM simply becomes a hassle and an inconvenience to legitimate customers that pirates never need to worry about.
The fact that is is *very* clear that any presently existing DRM mechanic fails to foil pirates makes all arguments on its behalf seem to be made in bad faith, and turns the entire standard around.
Instead of dealing with intrusions to my property rights and hassles so that the company can defend its rights, I am suffering these intrusions and hassles for no good reason whatsoever.
Thus, effectively, DRM simply becomes a hassle and an inconvenience to legitimate customers that pirates never need to worry about.
The fact that is is *very* clear that any presently existing DRM mechanic fails to foil pirates makes all arguments on its behalf seem to be made in bad faith, and turns the entire standard around.
Instead of dealing with intrusions to my property rights and hassles so that the company can defend its rights, I am suffering these intrusions and hassles for no good reason whatsoever.
I loathe DRM because it only seems to affect legitimate users.ike_luv said:
When DRM it stops people using a programme as a legitimate consumer then it is bad. Essentially it's a breach of trust between me and the company. Sadly they feel it is necessary despite the fact it actually has little effect.
For example let's look at Spore, it was pirated and downloaded something like 1.8 million times. Did the DRM stop the pirates? Clearly it didn't. Did it upset legitimate consumers because their children couldn't have more than one account? Clearly it did. This is a perfect example of the fact that DRM is not effective and harms those people that it shouldn't.
Another example; Assassins Creed for PC. The programme would 'dial ubisoft' every 45 seconds or so to make sure it was legit. This seemed to result in performance issues. Once again, the legitimate consumers were getting a bad experience from ineffective DRM.
The biggest issue of course, is the nature of DRM. What is DRM?
Well, it is a set of programmes that monitor a consumer's behaviour from the point of view that they are a criminal. It has lots of methods, it will scan your hard drive, send files to its servers, take screenshots of what you are doing and send them to its servers etc. It's basically spying on you and on aspects that have nothing to do with the game. The same is true of so-called anti-cheat programmes.
For me this isn't an issue with my Xbox or home console. However, it is an issue with my PC. I use my PC to buy products from the web, look at my bank accounts etc. How invasive and dangerous that a programme to stop me copying a game should endanger my privacy and my financial security. Not to mention that even if the DRM is benign, that doesn't mean that the data sent can't be intercepted or the DRM itself hacked and used to steal information.
Can you honestly tell me you support DRM with this knowledge?
incal11~ I'm neither dumb nor unquestioning; just well informed and over it. My points are nobody is twisting our arms into buying these products, and if you are up in arms on the subject, forum chat (whilst diverting) isn't incredibly pro-active. Preaching to the converted, you know?
Sounds like you're passionate on the subject, why not fire some emails to the offending parties, or maybe get some petitions going or something?
Sounds like you're passionate on the subject, why not fire some emails to the offending parties, or maybe get some petitions going or something?
DRm is anthing that ries to protect, which includes CD keys and disk checks. What you described are the over the top versions that are akin to viruses.beddo said:
If you're dumb enough to believe that DRM protects anything, then perhaps you should be asking why games with strict DRM are being pirated more than ever.ike_luv said:
If you're asking this, then it seems obvious that you're only looking to find people who share your point of view. On this particular topic, you're going to be disappointed whereever you go.
If DRM worked as follows.
- It actually stopped people from copying the software / using the software for more than fifty two seconds after the game is released.
- If it worked every single time on the legit copy of the game bought by individual x
- If it worked without, gimping other legit software stored on your computer, without installing eighteen tons of shite without permission, without limitations/activation amounts
- When you uninstall the game any and all DRM is also uninstalled.
Now if this were the case then I would have no issue with DRM whatsoever. The reality though is that DRM stops legit bought products from working and as a direct result of this actually increases piracy because the folk who bought the game to start with return the game and then download a version of it without the DRM.
DRM does install itself without asking for permission and it installs itself in a way that gives it unrivalled access to your system, often on the same level as rootkits. This means it then has the go ahead to stop, disable and basically gimp anything it thinks can be used to copy the software it is trying to protect. Worst still DRM doesn't uninstall when you uninstall the software it is packaged with. The logic behind why it is felt it should be left on your computer even when no longer have the game confuses me. In fact knowing that the DRM provided with Spore may still be sitting somewhere on my HD a good two monhts after I uninstalled it does annoy me quite a bit.
- It actually stopped people from copying the software / using the software for more than fifty two seconds after the game is released.
- If it worked every single time on the legit copy of the game bought by individual x
- If it worked without, gimping other legit software stored on your computer, without installing eighteen tons of shite without permission, without limitations/activation amounts
- When you uninstall the game any and all DRM is also uninstalled.
Now if this were the case then I would have no issue with DRM whatsoever. The reality though is that DRM stops legit bought products from working and as a direct result of this actually increases piracy because the folk who bought the game to start with return the game and then download a version of it without the DRM.
DRM does install itself without asking for permission and it installs itself in a way that gives it unrivalled access to your system, often on the same level as rootkits. This means it then has the go ahead to stop, disable and basically gimp anything it thinks can be used to copy the software it is trying to protect. Worst still DRM doesn't uninstall when you uninstall the software it is packaged with. The logic behind why it is felt it should be left on your computer even when no longer have the game confuses me. In fact knowing that the DRM provided with Spore may still be sitting somewhere on my HD a good two monhts after I uninstalled it does annoy me quite a bit.
I just bought Prince of Persia on PC. Apparently it has no DRM whatsoever. Although it does ask to connect to the internet at launch though this seems like more of an update check than anything.
I can confirm that it works without the CD in the drive and doesn't even have a CD-key. Right on Ubisoft. I think they're doing it to measure the value of the anti-piracy measures.
I can confirm that it works without the CD in the drive and doesn't even have a CD-key. Right on Ubisoft. I think they're doing it to measure the value of the anti-piracy measures.