Poll: Duke Nukem - Why?
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I really do love how people keep banging on about the games industry "trying to become more mainstream media", get a fucking clue already. Did you not see the sales figures for BlacK Ops? I personally don't like the game, but point being, when a game makes one billion dollars in its first six weeks the media it represents(video games) can pretty much be called mainstream.Ryan Griffiths said:
As for Duke Nukem "undoing everything the game industry has done" then referenceing Uncharted, the biggest idea copied series(see Indiana Jones, Tombraider) out there right now and is a basically a macho one lining graverobber, as your arguements point. I can assume you're just posting this thread to troll, either that or you're just not that smart.
But to the main topic,
I think you answered your own question there. Another thing people need to get out of their heads is that the games industry gives a shit about peoples opinions. They care about one thing MAKING MONEY, the only reason for making a good game is so that MORE PEOPLE WILL BUY IT THUS MAKING MORE MONEY. If they make a bad game, no one buys it and they don't MAKE MONEY. If they can release a game long anticipated with a huge cult following logic would conclude that the game will MAKE THEM MONEY. Also in Duke's case controversy sells, MAKING MONEY.Ryan Griffiths said:
On a side note, yes I am looking forward to Duke Nukem because I'm tired of shooters trying to have the best "realism" yet are nothing more than an arcade shooter with good graphics. A far cry from the "realism" of a simulator game which is much closer to "realism". Duke will be what it advertises an over the top arcade shooter, with ridiculous weapons, witty one-liners, loads of blood and guts violence galore, and titties. That being said it should be obvious that this game should be taken lightly, yet people like yourself continue on the self-righteous crusade of "this game is bad for gaming", like your opinion really matters.
Edit: What lawsuits tell me? Its rated M, guess what, if you're a terrible parent who thinks you're child is corrupted because he/she played a game that showed him/her titties and video game violence, YOU HAVE NO CASE BECAUSE YOU PURCHASED THE MATURE RATED GAME FOR HIM/HER. So yeah, you're a pretentious self-righteous whiny little ****.
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Would you believe me if I said I wasn't?
One, I think the age gap is bigger than you think... the last Duke game's heyday was the mid-late 90's... We're talking 15 years. If you played 3D as a teenager when it came out, you're almost (if not already) 30 now.
Yes, it is mindless immature fun. This type of entertainment has always existed, for adults even. See the "penny dreadfuls" of the 1830's. I don't plan to be "enriched by the experience" when I play it. Not all "adult time" is about serious entertainment and consumption. Part of being an adult is understanding and managing the balance between "fun times" and "serious times", not eliminating one for the other completely. The same audiences who love Fast Five for "cars! boobs! explosions! CARS!" also enjoy films like Inception.
As for the social impact, this won't have any. FOX will probably run rampant about it, but savvy consumers will still know the difference and folks who hate the games industry will continue to peddle ignorance with or without it. People who will sexually harass someone because a video game demonstrated it are people who were just looking for a reason and would have found it somewhere else. People who will be violent because of a video game were already violent and just looking for a reason. You aren't talking about a normal, average, healthy human being when you talk about someone who doesn't understand the difference between acceptable behavior in a video game/film/book/television show and acceptable behavior in the real world. If that actually happens, the media didn't create that problem, it was simply a trigger for a pre-existing something else that was fundamentally wrong in that person.
I think predicting "where we are headed" on two games is quite a stretch. Mortal Kombat and DNF are coming out, yes. They are re-hashes of classic favorites, yes. It doesn't mean that this is the "direction" in which we are moving. Re-hashes of classic media happens all the time in every industry.
Bankruptcy for being associated with it? I doubt it. People might get outraged and talk boycott, but their consumer habits rarely change. People will scream that "Wal-Mart drove out mom and pop shops!", but still shop there because they have lower prices. Tylenol had a huge recall, but people still bought their other labels, and went right back to buying it after they re-stocked. No matter how pissed people got over the oil spill, you can bet people still bought gas at BP if they were even one cent cheaper than the station across the street. You also assume that anyone outside of gaming or FOX news are going to care worth two cents. People who were going to buy it still are, people who weren't still aren't.
Furthermore; and this is a very tired statement, I'm sure, but so it goes; if you don't like it, don't buy it. There's your "vote". Enough people agree and don't buy it, 2K will get the message and not do it again. Otherwise, what do you care if I buy it, play it, and like it? What do you care if I buy it, play it, and don't like it? What do you care if I buy it and don't play it? What do you care if I don't buy it?
Furthermore, why should I care that you care?
Answer: I shouldn't, I don't, but I had a fifteen minute break to kill, so there you go.
Would you believe me if I said I wasn't?
One, I think the age gap is bigger than you think... the last Duke game's heyday was the mid-late 90's... We're talking 15 years. If you played 3D as a teenager when it came out, you're almost (if not already) 30 now.
Yes, it is mindless immature fun. This type of entertainment has always existed, for adults even. See the "penny dreadfuls" of the 1830's. I don't plan to be "enriched by the experience" when I play it. Not all "adult time" is about serious entertainment and consumption. Part of being an adult is understanding and managing the balance between "fun times" and "serious times", not eliminating one for the other completely. The same audiences who love Fast Five for "cars! boobs! explosions! CARS!" also enjoy films like Inception.
As for the social impact, this won't have any. FOX will probably run rampant about it, but savvy consumers will still know the difference and folks who hate the games industry will continue to peddle ignorance with or without it. People who will sexually harass someone because a video game demonstrated it are people who were just looking for a reason and would have found it somewhere else. People who will be violent because of a video game were already violent and just looking for a reason. You aren't talking about a normal, average, healthy human being when you talk about someone who doesn't understand the difference between acceptable behavior in a video game/film/book/television show and acceptable behavior in the real world. If that actually happens, the media didn't create that problem, it was simply a trigger for a pre-existing something else that was fundamentally wrong in that person.
I think predicting "where we are headed" on two games is quite a stretch. Mortal Kombat and DNF are coming out, yes. They are re-hashes of classic favorites, yes. It doesn't mean that this is the "direction" in which we are moving. Re-hashes of classic media happens all the time in every industry.
Bankruptcy for being associated with it? I doubt it. People might get outraged and talk boycott, but their consumer habits rarely change. People will scream that "Wal-Mart drove out mom and pop shops!", but still shop there because they have lower prices. Tylenol had a huge recall, but people still bought their other labels, and went right back to buying it after they re-stocked. No matter how pissed people got over the oil spill, you can bet people still bought gas at BP if they were even one cent cheaper than the station across the street. You also assume that anyone outside of gaming or FOX news are going to care worth two cents. People who were going to buy it still are, people who weren't still aren't.
Furthermore; and this is a very tired statement, I'm sure, but so it goes; if you don't like it, don't buy it. There's your "vote". Enough people agree and don't buy it, 2K will get the message and not do it again. Otherwise, what do you care if I buy it, play it, and like it? What do you care if I buy it, play it, and don't like it? What do you care if I buy it and don't play it? What do you care if I don't buy it?
Furthermore, why should I care that you care?
Answer: I shouldn't, I don't, but I had a fifteen minute break to kill, so there you go.
I don't think it's holding back the games industry or anything like that. It just seems to be trying to hard to me. I mean, that Duke Nudem flash game was utterly pointless. All it did was say "haha, naked women", and not in a way that was fun or funny.
I'm not planning on buying it, I might if the gameplay turns out to be good enough. But so far it hasn't done anything to interest me.
I'm not planning on buying it, I might if the gameplay turns out to be good enough. But so far it hasn't done anything to interest me.
Stupid fun is still, well, fun. There will always be a market for it but there will always be a market for more intellectually provocative games too.
As for me? I need a new computer and the cost has to go down before I'll consider it but I do want to play it. Why? Because I like FPS games as much as I like RPG and RTS games. Different flavors of icecream but in the end, still icecream. Depends on my mood and right now I wouldn't mind a fun, brainless shooter. And after that feeling passes I'll probably play Chrono Cross.
As for me? I need a new computer and the cost has to go down before I'll consider it but I do want to play it. Why? Because I like FPS games as much as I like RPG and RTS games. Different flavors of icecream but in the end, still icecream. Depends on my mood and right now I wouldn't mind a fun, brainless shooter. And after that feeling passes I'll probably play Chrono Cross.
You know what. That's a fair point. Maybe I didn't make myself completely clear, but what you all said is valid. I'm not going to go out and buy the game, but I'm not a complete shut in and wont at least give the game a go, I have to review it anyway, so my hands are tied regardless.
I'm not after triple A games every month or just serious games, I just feel that the industry has done so much growing up over the past few years and this is almost like they saved up all of the stuff that wouldn't have gone out 20 years ago and just rammed it into a Duke game.
I think it could be a great game; although I'm still probably not going to like it, but I guess we'll wait and see. And yeah, it might clash slightly with my original post, but I didn't think I would need to reply to over 200 people :/
I'm not after triple A games every month or just serious games, I just feel that the industry has done so much growing up over the past few years and this is almost like they saved up all of the stuff that wouldn't have gone out 20 years ago and just rammed it into a Duke game.
I think it could be a great game; although I'm still probably not going to like it, but I guess we'll wait and see. And yeah, it might clash slightly with my original post, but I didn't think I would need to reply to over 200 people :/
I can't stand the stupidity of the this 'logic'.
It's cool to run over hookers and rape rats with raptors but...
OMG...A white American, overly chauvinist male with guns who likes chicks?
IT'S GONNA DESTROY AMERICA!
Seriously, this PC crap has got to go...it's just getting too much.
In the words of DK:
Probally no.
I can't say i even played the previous games, from what i remember from fragments and whatever, it was some sort of fps thingy where its more crude or somthing, but how would it compare to today's day and age where everyone is overhyping the violence in media?
I mean most of the hype came from years worth of memes saying stuff like hell would freeze over if Forever was released, its either going to get overhyped or people aint going to buy it when it comes out initially but then buys it later from a bargain bin for achievements. :x
I can't say i even played the previous games, from what i remember from fragments and whatever, it was some sort of fps thingy where its more crude or somthing, but how would it compare to today's day and age where everyone is overhyping the violence in media?
I mean most of the hype came from years worth of memes saying stuff like hell would freeze over if Forever was released, its either going to get overhyped or people aint going to buy it when it comes out initially but then buys it later from a bargain bin for achievements. :x
Balls of Steel edition arrived just a minute ago. A bit underwhelming but I guess I got spoiled by the Witcher 2 CE.
Holding the disc in my hand made me feel the weight of history on this game... I'm not sure what to make of it..
Holding the disc in my hand made me feel the weight of history on this game... I'm not sure what to make of it..
My copy is on its way according to amazon tracker and I cannot wait to play it! I grew up loving classic shooters like Doom and Duke Nukem and this is literally a piece of video game history we're talking about here! Okay to some its not important but to each their own.
All the hating on this game is absurd. If I personally don't like something I don't keep going on and on about it! People get fed up of reading it and I get fed up of saying it, so ultimately it gets no-one nowhere.
I'm just expecting a fun shooter with some cool easter eggs for fans and something that doesn't take itself seriously. All the trailers and videos (even the demo) have proven to me it'll be exactly that. I feel alot of this hate is down to people comparing Duke way too much to shooters of now, intentionally or not. Duke has always been a parody of 80's action heros and the stories of each game can be laughable but thats the beauty of them. If you go in with the right mind set its gonna be one helluva fun ride.
As for the 2 weapon limit and regen health...meh, I ain't bothered. True its not what Duke Nukem is about but its not exactly the worst gripe in the world. It won't be a game breaker and its not worth saying its crap based on that alone. The graphics I'm also fine with, I'm a retro gamer at heart and I've seen waaaaaaay worse than this. At the end of the day, you are the only critic that matters. As long as you, the individual, like the game then no-one can change that.
HAIL TO THE KING BABY!!!!!!
All the hating on this game is absurd. If I personally don't like something I don't keep going on and on about it! People get fed up of reading it and I get fed up of saying it, so ultimately it gets no-one nowhere.
I'm just expecting a fun shooter with some cool easter eggs for fans and something that doesn't take itself seriously. All the trailers and videos (even the demo) have proven to me it'll be exactly that. I feel alot of this hate is down to people comparing Duke way too much to shooters of now, intentionally or not. Duke has always been a parody of 80's action heros and the stories of each game can be laughable but thats the beauty of them. If you go in with the right mind set its gonna be one helluva fun ride.
As for the 2 weapon limit and regen health...meh, I ain't bothered. True its not what Duke Nukem is about but its not exactly the worst gripe in the world. It won't be a game breaker and its not worth saying its crap based on that alone. The graphics I'm also fine with, I'm a retro gamer at heart and I've seen waaaaaaay worse than this. At the end of the day, you are the only critic that matters. As long as you, the individual, like the game then no-one can change that.
HAIL TO THE KING BABY!!!!!!