Poll: Eragon: Quality Children's Literature or Shitty Ripoff?

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userwhoquitthesite

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Nex-Falx said:
Give me some examples of what it's a rip-off of, because I read the first 3 Eragon books and i'll probably read the last one
The plot points of the first book are almost exactly the same as Star Wars IV, and everything about the series has been done in other bits of fiction.

But then Star Wars was also a copy-paste of hundreds of other stories and most of its characters are stolen from westerns or samurai flicks.

SO really it doesnt matter if its all been done before, it only matters if it's well done NOW. ANd eragon is quite well-written.

And the movie was one of the worst pieces of cinematographical trash I have ever seen. It actually managed to offend me through its awfulness
 

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I'm quite the Inheritance Cycle fan. I haven't noticed it's a rip-off of anything, though the claims relate to works I haven't myself looked into very far... And it's also very well written, especially considering Paolini's age upon starting the series.

And yes, the movie was godawful, for anyone who hasn't seen it.
 

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mrhappyface said:
What do you think about the Eragon book series. I think its a pretty shitty ripoff of numerous, much better examples of literature, but thats just me. What do you think?
It's only really a ripoff if it's a ripoff of a single example, not many examples.

In closing, it's half decent. Much better then some other stuff out there, not the best ever, but who cares if it's the best?
 

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I thought the books was interesting and enjoyable. Not the best series of books i have read, but far from the worst. And whilst you say it rips things off (i'll admit its influences were really quite obvious) what doesn't rip something off these days. I mean so many things have been done in the fantasy world its hard for anyhting to be origional these days.
 

Jedamethis

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Jedamethis said:
Well, I never noticed it was a ripoff of anything, so it's a good childrens book...
Have you ever heard of something called Star Wars? LOL. It's the most obvious Star Wars ripoff I've ever read.

In case you need clarification. [http://spoonyexperiment.com/eragon/]
I have very much so, yet I still didn't notice...somehow.
 

Cakes

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It's Star Wars, copied and pasted into Middle Earth, with a tremendous amount of purple prose and 2-dimensional characters.
So yes, it's absolute shit.
 

PedroSteckecilo

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It's a bit "ripoffy" but it's more just generic and derivative, bringing absolutely nothing new to the table and being so clearly written by a "new fantasy writer" it hurts. The movie on the other hand is almost a blow for blow ripoff of Star Wars, even going so far as to steal scenes, did they think nobody would notice?
 

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Too much purple text and thesaurus usage. I dislike the books with a passion.
 

Cakes

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EcoEclipse said:
And it's also very well written, especially considering Paolini's age upon starting the series.
You can say 'Oh, he's just a kid' which is maybe an excuse for the first shitty book, but he's in his mid-20s now. And there is no way in hell it's well written...if you want to learn what the term 'Mary Sue' means, look at Arya.
 

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I set myself down as "meh". I enjoyed the first two books (haven't gotten to read the third yet), but I recognize that they're total ripoffs, at the same time.
 

The_Echo

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Cakes said:
EcoEclipse said:
And it's also very well written, especially considering Paolini's age upon starting the series.
You can say 'Oh, he's just a kid' which is maybe an excuse for the first shitty book, but he's in his mid-20s now. And there is no way in hell it's well written...if you want to learn what the term 'Mary Sue' means, look at Arya.
I wasn't saying "well written" plot-wise. The way he uses language and details.
 

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I think that calling it a ripoff isn't fair. I've done some courses and whatnot in writing and there's a general consensus that all stories have been done already. Example: Take the main characters from Dune (movie version here since it's been too long since I last read the book) and the first Matrix movie. I'd like to add that the two movies are different enough that I somewhat doubt Matrix was a ripoff. The later two are a bit different in that regard

Both main characters are the result of a breeding program, both are unnaturally skilled at the tasks and abilities required in a culture/world that they are thrust into, both are accepted as a great and important man within their new culture almost immediately, both die and come back more more powerful and in so doing gain the ability to see beyond the veil (albeit meaning different things to each), and both end up changing their world.

And any resemblance to Jesus anywhere along that path is most certainly not coincidental.

The trick is to tell the story with a twist or as I've learned to call it 'a kink in its tail.'


Now then: Is Eragon a ripoff? I don't think so. Heavily influenced, definitely, but I don't see it as a ripoff. That said, I didn't like it, though I only read the first. Easy read, but the main character is a Mary Sue. Or Gary Stu, I guess.

A random farmboy becoming a great mage (greater than the teachers at the resistance base, though not better than the Elven Princess who takes him as an almost protege and rushes to his rescue when these jealous mages try to goad him) and a master swordsman in a few months; most of this time spend travelling, and not hard training. He also learned the Master Language in the same time, making him a great speaker who can be understood by every animal in the world, including packmules.

It wasn't, however, until the world-weary, hard, embitterned King of the Dwarves broke down in tears in the middle of a horrific battle at the sheer MAJESTY of the boy's combat ability and courage that I (to paraphrase Yahtzee) noticed the words Author Surrogate written across the sky in blazing green letters.

Bottom line, if you enjoyed the books, more power to you. However, Eragon is neither the first, nor anywhere near the best book for a story of that genre, in my opinion. Take that for what it's worth.
 

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The poll is too unbalanced.

I personally liked it, but I don't neccessarily think its 'quality childrens literature' as you put it, I just think its a good book series. Though I have only read the first two, as I started reading them when they first hit the shelves, and after the second one came out the wait for the third proved too much so I probably wont finish the series now.
 

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I think I'm just a literary snob but I thoroughly disliked the books. I thought they were unnecessary and amateur (yes, I KNOW he was really young when he started but he maybe should've given himself more time to grow as an author). I am a huge Garth Nix fan though, so my tastes are different, but if every fifth word in a fantasy novel is made up, I have no urge to continue reading.
 

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I liked the books very much. I actually read the entire third book in one day. Also the movie sucked bigtame, and so did the game.
 

mrF00bar

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I only saw the film, i had no idea it was a book series. I enjoyed the film though xP
 

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killer-corkonian said:
Hubilub said:
Read the book, and it was indeed a rip-off.

And Dante's Inferno looks like the most original game ever compared to the film.
Film? You think the film was the original Dante's Inferno?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... Haaaaaaaa...
Oh, that's good. Haha.
Also, Dante's Inferno is extremely un-original when compared to any game out there, and that's what matters when dealing in GAMES.

OP: It's not as bad as all the damning, and has a rich backstory to pluck from, but that's only because it's a ripoff. Where's the option of "Actually quite good ripoff"?
The Dragon Riders books were better though.
That was the point. He knew Dante's Inferno is blatantly ripping off other games and he said that this is more unoriginal than that - meaning it's extremely unoriginal. Think before you post.
 

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The fact that the plot is a bit derivative isn't really my issue with the books. It'd take more than a masterpiece to construct an original form of high fantasy. No, my issues are that the cast is one-dimensional with only a few exceptions, the main character is particularly badly done, and the writing style is a tortured, pretentious mess that shows what a talentless hack Paolini is.

That said, the story does have an important place in the progression of storytelling, especially for people like those here on the Escapist. The structure of the plot, the way that the laws of magic are structured, and a few other hints suggest that Paolini was a gamer first and a reader second. The monstrous failure of Inheritance really stems from the generally poor understanding of the differences between various forms of media that Yahtzee keeps harping on about. Writing an adventure story that works better as a book than as a video game or a movie is hard. The writing has to be good enough to keep you focused in the absence of pretty lights, the story has to be good enough to make it worth the reader's while to get a deeper understanding of the characters and plot in exchange for not seeing the fight scenes, and the fight scenes have to make them see it happen, even though they really won't. The book has to call up something so amazing in the reader's imagination that no movie or video game could ever live up to it, and Paolini just won't make that happen. He just isn't capable of producing "amazing." He successfully conjured up "mediocre" in Eragon and has been in steady decline since then. If he's ever going to come up with any valuable work he'll have to be banished to the game industry and have all of the dialogue done by someone who wasn't home-schooled.