Poll: Estuary English = ?Chav Speak??

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Ixus Illwrath

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Is that like the crazy dialect from Guy Ritchie movies?

And you should come to the US and have to put up with ghetto speak and southern drawl. Good way to end up stabbing out your eardrums with a pencil if you're not very used to it.
 

poleboy

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I don't get the Burberry and knifing bit. Do they knife people to take their money and buy expensive scarfs?
Actually, I don't get this at all. I thought chav was mild racial slur. Can you give some more examples of what makes someone a chav?
 

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poleboy post=18.71662.732920 said:
I don't get the Burberry and knifing bit. Do they knife people to take their money and buy expensive scarfs?
Actually, I don't get this at all. I thought chav was mild racial slur. Can you give some more examples of what makes someone a chav?
Shaved head, slits in eyebrows, lots of fake gold jewelery, wearing a hoodie with the hood up in broad daylight/on bus/inside, all named clothing Nike, Rebok, Burbury, Schott(probably fake), usualy stood in large groups outside a shop asking people to buy them alcohol/tobacco and threatening you if you say no.
 

DannyDamage

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Not bashing the Americans at all as other countries are also guilty of this, but most people expect everyone in Britain (which consists of 4 different countries) to all speak in the Queen's English.

So when they arrive here, they have no fecking clue what's going on and discover it's only a small amount of folk that talk how they've seen on TV. It would be like watching Dallas all my life and convincing myself that's how you all speak and then going to New York and being extremely puzzled.

Thread: They are 2 separate dialects.
 

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poleboy post=18.71662.732920 said:
I don't get the Burberry and knifing bit. Do they knife people to take their money and buy expensive scarfs?
Actually, I don't get this at all. I thought chav was mild racial slur. Can you give some more examples of what makes someone a chav?
Chav (pronounced /ʧæv/), or Charv/Charva (pronounced /ʧɑːv/), is a mainly derogatory slang term in the United Kingdom for a person whose lifestyle, branded casual clothing (especially if counterfeit), speech and/or mannerisms are perceived to be common, proletarian and vulgar. 'Chav' is often used as a stereotype to refer to poorly educated, aggressive working-class youths, but youth and aggression are not the defining attributes of a 'chav'.
For the entire article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chav

Oh boy, I really do rely wikipedia alot. :D
 

tendo82

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So which dialect turns all th's into f's? Such that the word "three" becomes "free"?
 

MonkeySlayer

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To define "chav" i owuld take a gander over to fat-pie.com and look at the "Devvo" videos... But beware of all the other things because Dave Firth is a bit sick in the head....

Take it Easy
 

SenseOfTumour

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To me, chav is partly the look, which the cartoon shows nicely, and partly a total lack of respect for anything and anyone, while still managing to shout 'FUCKIN RESPECK!' whenever something idiotic happens.

And I second the above, 'Devvo' on fatpie is a sterling parody, but scarily realistic version of a chav.

They seem to genuinely think they're gangsters if they manage to take control of the swings in the park, its now their 'manor'.
 

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jeez, i live in england and even i cant understand a word anyone says outside my own friendship group
we get called posh because we dont say "y'wot" and "innit" XD
if your from the same area as david tennants dr who, then i dont think your a chav
easy way to spot a chav - tracksuit bottoms (no offense if you wear them without the other things), a hoodie with the hood up, and a baseball cap
basically your looking for some angry duck-like people who dont speak proper english :p

edit: i heard from someone that chav stands for : Council Housing And Violent
 

FSAB

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I allways thought they were white guys who try to be like Rude Boys.
 

Phoenix Arrow

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Mayte, dis fred is da boom ting.

One of the reasons why I've never looked back at secondary school warmly.
 

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Theres a 'good' (read: 'moronic', but it does get most peoples stereotypes across)page on chavs on encyclopedia dramatica. Im not gonna link it 'cause I'm sure linking to that site is a guaranteed ban...

EDIT: I'm from London originally, and no one has ever said I have a chavvy accent, but the whole chav thing came up after I left.
Plus I think what people think constitutes a chav accent varies, as does what people think constitutes an actual 'chav'.
I was surprised to hear everyone equating it with what I always though of as 'rude boy' speak, where I'm from (Enfield) it was always very much a North London working class dialect/accent/slang. But this was a good few years ago.
 

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Having been born in Essex and spending my first 23 years there before moving to south-east London, I feel pretty well qualified to say "no, dear God no"... but then, I suppose it all depends on the person.

My accent and manner of speaking would sound very chavvy coming out of someone else - my brother, for example. He and I have the same accent and tone but he comes across as a chav because of the way he acts, dresses and generally presents himself, whereas I don't. So... maybe it's all about how you put yourself across.

I have a habit of affecting a kind of stereotypical chav talk every now and then, but only for giggles.

Oh, and I say "innit" all the time, multiple times a day. It's just a contraction of "isn't it", nothing more, it really annoys me that it's become such a chav stereotype when whole swathes of the nation use it in the original context.
 

curlycrouton

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I love Estuary english, as it reminds me of that great masterpiece:
Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrells

E.G.

Rory Breaker: If you hold back anything, I'll kill ya. If you bend the truth, or I think you're bending the truth, I'll kill ya. If you forget anything, I'll kill ya. In fact, you're gonna have to work very hard to stay alive Nick. Now, do you understand everything I've just said? Cause' if you don't, I'll kill ya! Now, Mr Bubble and Squeak, you may enlighten me.


ALSO:

Barfly Jack: Rory? Yeah I know Rory. He's not to be underestimated, you've got to look past the hair and the cute, cuddly thing - it's all a deceptive facade. A few nights ago Rory's Roger iron's rusted, so he's gone to the local battle-cruiser to catch the end of his footer. Nobody is watching the custard so he turns the channel over. A fat man's north opens and he wanders over and turns the Liza over. 'Now fuck off and watch it somewhere else.' Rory knows claret is imminent, but he doesn't want to miss the end of the game; so, calm as a coma, he stands and picks up a fire extinguisher and he walks straight past the jam rolls who are ready for action, then he plonks it outside the entrance. He then orders an Aristotle of the most ping pong tiddly in the nuclear sub and switches back to his footer. 'That's fucking it,' says the guy. 'That's fucking what' says Rory. Rory gobs out a mouthful of booze covering fatty; he then flicks a flaming match into his bird's nest and the man's lit up like a leaky gas pipe. Rory, unfazed, turned back to his game. His team's won too. Four-nil.
 

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TheGhostOfSin post=18.71662.732946 said:
poleboy post=18.71662.732920 said:
I don't get the Burberry and knifing bit. Do they knife people to take their money and buy expensive scarfs?
Actually, I don't get this at all. I thought chav was mild racial slur. Can you give some more examples of what makes someone a chav?
Shaved head, slits in eyebrows, lots of fake gold jewelery, wearing a hoodie with the hood up in broad daylight/on bus/inside, all named clothing Nike, Rebok, Burbury, Schott(probably fake), usualy stood in large groups outside a shop asking people to buy them alcohol/tobacco and threatening you if you say no.
Oh, those guys. We call them teenagers here.

ZING!

Nah, I think I know what you're getting at. These are the same people who take mainstream rap culture just a wee bit too seriously, no?
 

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poleboy post=18.71662.733343 said:
Nah, I think I know what you're getting at. These are the same people who take mainstream rap culture just a wee bit too seriously, no?
Not really, no. Generally what most people mean is 'white working class/underclass'. 'Rap' music does seem to have permeated into 'chav' culture recently, but 'chavs', although not actually called chavs, have been around for a lot longer than that.

Oh sod it...here's the link...Ban here I come...

http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Chavs

[DISCLAIMER dont click this, it will cause loss of brain cells]
 

SenseOfTumour

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I hate to class someone by how they look, but as a stereotype its quite a fair one, and why on earth would you dress to look like the dregs of society, unless you actually wanted that image?

I imagine they dress that way to get the image of being trouble, or 'hard'.

It's partly the clothing / hair / horrible jewellery, and partly an aura of arrogance.