Poll: Estuary English = ?Chav Speak??

[Flunk]

That's funny, I had to look "Chav" up but it really sounds very similar to what we across the pond call a "Wigger" [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wigger]. Except for possibly the rap music thing and maybe the rep for being dangerous (Wiggers are though of as wimps).

It's funny the parallels in culture.

 

[Vanguard_Ex]

A quick translation of Kidderminster chav speak:

You fookin' wo'? = What did you say?
Ima fookin' knock you ou'! = I'm gonna fucking knock you out (Common threat)
GREEBO = Greebo, basically a rocker/emo/one of those types. Anyone who differs too much from a chav basically.

I hate my town.

 

[Infradead]

So... Estuary English is like, a kinda posh English accent? I suppose that's what I have. I live a bit north of London and don't really think of myself as having any particular accent at all.

 

[Vanguard_Ex]

That's funny, I had to look "Chav" up but it really sounds very similar to what we across the pond call a "Wigger" [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wigger]. Except for possibly the rap music thing and maybe the rep for being dangerous (Wiggers are though of as wimps).

It's funny the parallels in culture.

A lot of chavs try and SEEM dangerous. Many are complete pussys.
Sorry for double posting.

 

[memejoey]

Everyone around my area seems to speak chavvy (Nottinghamshire). At least, people my age seem to... But I always use proper words and speak clearly, i've never taken to the weird english slang words. I do have an obvious english accent though... I'm moving to Brisbane, Australia soon and I hope nobody has trouble understanding me :x

 

[Danny Ocean]

It's not so much how they speak, but what they wear and the way they act.

 

[chimmers]

If by 'chav speak' you mean just in England then maybe, but haven't really been there often
Don't think I have ever met a 'chav' so to speak, though neds are similar i think? They obviously do not sound English, but share the same annoying habits - drinking, swearing, crap music etc

 

[Sccye]

Chavs is a pejorative term used by the general middle class term to describe members of the working class. Estuary English is a dialect, which some chavs speak, but it isn't an especially defining or universal trait amongst them.

 

[Bakabaikun]

neds are similar i think?

As to my knowledge they are practically the same in terms of dress sense and the 'mischief' the like to participate in. I am unaware of ned vernacular however, so I would be unable to draw any comparisons there.

Could you, perchance, enlighten me please?

 

[trickytrixster]

i live in england and god how i hate frickin chavs

practically everyone on my street is a chav. we cant sell our house at its full price because of the area we live in.because of those sonofabitches the price of our house is worth about half its original value they're like a plague.

Our neihbors dont have jobs. they either live off of dole,sell weed or bash strangers heads in to steal what they can. luckily our house has never been burgled but the people next door have been robbed about seven times. the funny thing is not long after they were robbed some guy came to are door trying to sell dodgy stuff he obviously stolen i recognised some of the stuff and called the police i mean how stupid can you be.if your gonna sell stolen stuff at least sell it somewhere else not to the people who live next door.

devvo is an example of pure chav at its finest

also when i was still at school i once punched a chav in the face...it felt awesome

 

[FluffX]

also when i was still at school i once punched a chav in the face...it felt awesome

You Sir/Madam... Win. I don't know what you win, and I don't know how. But you do. Here is a cookie. *Gives tricky a cookie*.

In case it wasn't obvious, I don't like chavs. My definition (Limited to the high school version I'm afraid, but it shouldn't be hard to imagine the adult equivalent.):
They are rude. Constantly.
They hang out in packs. They never obey a teacher on the first command. "Sit down now" "I 'ave ta get muh shoes out 'a my lockuh."
They butcher the English language.
They tend to be homophobic, if you do anything that could be constructed as gay, you're in for it.
They tend to find intellect something to be mocked. "Oh look at 'im in thee (not misspelled) 'igher sets. Wot a loser."
If you do anything that could be constructed as anything, they'll laugh at you. Imagine: *You accidently knock over a pot of pens or something*
:At least 3 chavs: Ah-hah-hah-haa (They do pronounce it "hah". They don't find it funny, they just want to annoy you.)
They fuckin' swear fuckin' all the fuckin' time. Fuck the fucking fucker fucks fuck!

I wish I was making this up. I really do.

 

[trickytrixster]

thank you good sir/madam *bows*

its sir by the way..

youre right they are basically pack animals but corner one or punch one in the face and you will see that they are complete pussies. the guy i hit cried for like half an hour

the fact that you pointed out the are homophobic made me laugh there is a wall out side my house covered with graffitti here is some of what is wrote

"steven bums terry"
"joe wanks off terry"
"bby is a big gay" underneath "who ever wrote this is gay im gonna find you and stab you"

i dont know who terry is but he seems to be getting around and what the hell is bby?

 

[invisible39]

I try not to base the definition of a Chav on what people look like. Although it's generally right, if anyone was to see me walking along the road at night they would probably think I was one of them, (this is due to lots of things, all of them coincidental - but none of them helped by the fact that I have a scar that makes it look like I do the weird eyebrow thing that they do... Also I apparently look scary XD)

But what I really hate, is when people assume that EVERY teenager is a Chav. It's quite ridiculous how it can affect how people treat you. For years shops would completely ignore me, and forget trying to pick up a pizza from somewhere. Nobody would pay any attention.

But you can't base it solely on speech though, some people have just genuinely learned to speak that way - through no fault of their own, it was just the environment they were brought up in.

Just really sucks there are so goddamn many of them.

But there are nice areas of England too! My circle of friends are nearly always polite and well spoken. It just depends alot on the area. So please don't let Chav "culture" put you off!!

Gah... I rant.

 

[A.I. Sigma]

Oh dear. You should your friend to visit my town, St Helens. Chavtastic.

*shudders*

 

[GreatVladmir]

Of course Estuary English aye chav speak, chav speak I would say is more linked to the style of speech around the Brum area. Yes I do use words like innit, bruv and safe, but thats becuase I've grew up in the chav sess pit of Staffordshire, Cannock and it is common dialect amoung people here.

 

[ThePlasmatizer]

I don't think chav and estuary english are synonymous,
chav is the look, but it's become more of a word for someone who's common now.

People talking in heavy slang annoys me a bit really.

 

[FSAB]

To be fair I've always been more scared of Rude Boys than chavs.

 

[fedpayne]

I come from Portsmouth. Chav Capital of the South.

Hey man, I'm from Southampton! Small world. When compared to, say, Jupiter. Although a large world when compared to apparently any from Star Wars, where the whole planet is just basically the same. Which is weird, considering how diverse ours is.

Back on topic: urgh, I hate the word chav. It sounds childish to me. Generally I say 'twats'. Just people harrassing people on the streets, being on the streets, being aggresive and making life difficult for other people for no good reason, cycling around drinking strongbow at 3 in the morning. I say baaaath not bahth (bath), june not doon (dune) and waiting not wai'ing. What does this make me?

 

[SenseOfTumour]

Yeah, I recently had to explain that its not a case of treating someone different because of how they dress, as I have no problem with skater kids, emos, goths, etc, as they don't stomp around constantly agressive and abusing people and breaking things and generally being a waste of skin. I'd have no problem with chavs if it was just a case that they wear sports clothing all the time, despite only ever getting exercise when running away with stolen property.

Chavs, sure they have a 'dress code' but its more that they hang around in packs, threaten people, beg in the street, but unlike real beggars, its always for phone money or some cigarettes, and they get agressive when you refuse, if 'I don't smoke' its because I'm 'fookin gay!'.

If you've not seen Devvo at fat-pie.com, he'd give you an idea of what a really nice, smart chav might be like.

 

[Vaevictusbiyatch]

Lad(ette)s:

Chavs are a subspecies that inhabit the Home Counties and can be found much further North but are generally competed out by local midlanders & northerners who vie for the same niche in the social ladder.

Their language is simply uncultured and characterised by some phrases. It is not representative of region, rather of education & class.

So no, dear god no...

-edit- I may elevate Chavs to sub-culture, but that would imply crimes against humanity not even I am capable of.