Poll: Evolution and the other side

[CrystalShadow]

Yeah, I've found out one thing.

Neither creation nor lack of creation is physically possible, you'll just have to wait and see.

Fun fact: If something is undisproveable, it's automatically not even considered to be a scientific hypothesis. Why waste time trying to disprove a system of beleifs that's designed (through natural selection, ironically) to be undisproveable?

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Well, if the rules suddenly started changing arbitrarily, we'd notice.

Yes... I've gone over part of this in another post because I realised there was something slightly faulty with the statements I was making.

Nonetheless, irrespective of if we'd notice it or not, that doesn't strictly change whether or not science (or any other philosophical system) rests on any unsupported assumptions.

Just because it's reasonable and obvious, doesn't stop something being an assumption, after all.

(Then again, when you go down that road you realise that everything anyone has ever come up with rests on arbitrary, unprovable foundations if looked at closely enough. - In practice, actually looking at anything that closely is rather pointless... But as a principle it doesn't seem possible to avoid it.)

So you're saying that the theory of gravity is based on unrpovable foundations? Cause, if you give me your address and help me spot a nice, good cliff to throw you off of, I can help prove a point for you.
We don't assume that the rules don't change, because there are no "rules". What science is is trying to get data that remains consistant with reality. They then publish their findings so that anybody who wishes can attempt to recreate their findings, and if anybody manages to produce other, contradicting results, they have proven that form of the theory wrong. It's a system that's incredibly good at figuring out what isn't true, as long as you're willing to ignore the projectile vomit spewed out by those who're butthurt from the discovery that their parents ignorant, mis-informed beleifs were wrong this whole time and that they'll now have to actually take a moment to think for once in their life.

OK... Rather missing the point with that little rant, aren't you.

Throwing me off a cliff won't fundamentally answer whether gravity, as science tends to describe it is actually an accurate reflection of anything at all.

No amount of data will tell you if the pattern you think you're seeing is actually there or not. Yet you cannot do anything useful with any of this unless you assume that this pattern actually has some stability to it.

Objectivity can't be proven. The existence of an objectively true and independent reality can't be proven. Your statements rest on far more arbitrary assumptions than you'd like to think.

But as you say, science is a good system for figuring out what isn't true. Unfortunately, it is next to useless for figuring out what is true.

Thus, to some extent while it removes a lot of ignorance, it seems to cultivate a different kind of ignorance in those that follow it without giving any thought to how or why it works.

But then, as you seem hell-bent on arguing that I'm being ignorant for claiming science can ever possibly have any aspects whatsoever (however slight) to it that are equally as arbitrary as anything any religion has come up with, I'll leave you to your dogmatic belief in the 'one true philosophy of science'.

(And just in case you think I'm some religious zealot, arguing about this for the sake of my 'religion', I should point out that I don't have one. I just find it incredibly baffling how many people argue as dogmatically about science as others would in support of whatever chosen religion they happen to believe in.)

 

[IceStar100]

Sorry the thing messed up the quoting and made it look like someone else said the judge not part.


Athiests don't have a messiah figure telling them not to judge. Christians do... and yet....[/quote]

Judge not lest ye be judged don't blame the creator for the faulty of man. If people want to twist and turn things to judge someone else they will. So blame the reader not the book.

The Escaist Proof Athist are no better then religous fanatics.

I assume you're trying to say that atheists on this site are no better than religious fanatics.

Which is a load of shit. Reading through this thread, all I've seen are atheists and...uh...what was the term? Theistic evolutionist? Is that the one? Believing in God and accepting evolution?
Whatever.
Point is - the atheists have pulled up scientific evidence and shot down the unprovable pieces of propaganda the creationists have thrown up in response. They have not been superior or arrogant. They have invited the creationists to bring their evidence. How is that proof that we atheists are in any way to be compared to religious fanatics?

No just blind loyalty the inability to admit. Hey we could be wrong and the fact they attack anyone who does not believe what they believe. They would cause a war if they were enough of them. So no they are no better than the west church. Trying to force a view and yelling like a mad profit. People who can only be around other like minded people unable to admit any wrong. So no I don?t see most of the hateful atheist here as any different than the fanatic with the god hates gays sign.

 

[sergnb]

The Escaist Proof Athist are no better then religous fanatics.

Athiests don't have a messiah figure telling them not to judge. Christians do... and yet....

Judge not lest ye be judged don't blame the creator for the faulty of man. If people want to twist and turn things to judge someone else they will. So blame the reader not the book.

The Escaist Proof Athist are no better then religous fanatics.

I assume you're trying to say that atheists on this site are no better than religious fanatics.

Which is a load of shit. Reading through this thread, all I've seen are atheists and...uh...what was the term? Theistic evolutionist? Is that the one? Believing in God and accepting evolution?
Whatever.
Point is - the atheists have pulled up scientific evidence and shot down the unprovable pieces of propaganda the creationists have thrown up in response. They have not been superior or arrogant. They have invited the creationists to bring their evidence. How is that proof that we atheists are in any way to be compared to religious fanatics?

No just blind loyalty the inability to admit. Hey we could be wrong and the fact they attack anyone who does not believe what they believe. They would cause a war if they were enough of them. So no they are no better than the west church. Trying to force a view and yelling like a mad profit. People who can only be around other like minded people unable to admit any wrong. So no I don?t see most of the hateful atheist here as any different than the fanatic with the god hates gays sign.

holy fuck how biased are you?

How many atheists have you seen physically damaging a religious person?

How many atheists have executed religious people?

How many atheists go to your house and tell you to join their cult?

What kind of atheists have you seen? Or rather, what kind of atheists have others tell you about? Because everything you have claimed there is absolute bollocks.

"Blind loyalty"? Ha! Being evolutionist is exactly the opposite of being blind. If you are evolutionist, it's because you actually cared to question how the world works. I can't count the number of christians that have became atheists after realizing christianity is absolutely insane. That is not being blind, that's opening your eyes.

"They would cause a war", "they attack anyone who does not believe what they believe"? What the hell? Seriously, I'm gonna need you to show me some proof of fanatic atheists directly attacking christians without any other added motivation.

Holy shit I can't believe my eyes. How, just, HOW did you get to the conclussion that atheists are fanatic violent and unstable extremists that would kill anyone in the world that isn't atheist? Because unless you are misspelling "atheist" for "religious", this is the biggest load of bullshit I've ever read on this forum.

We may "attack" you verbally, as in, trying to debunk your theories, but I've yet to meet an atheist that would be willing to beat the shit out of you just for your beliefs. That's just insane and you know it.

 

[acillies45]

I would just like to say, I am a Catholic, and honestly, I doubt creationism highly.

ONE of my main reasons: In the bible, there are 2 creation stories. Read it sometime. Adam is made twice.

 

[yman15]

What's with all the evolution vs. creation threads?
And religion vs. science/atheism threads, in general?
They're rampant. Stop making them. No-ones mind ever gets changed on the Internet.

I completely agree especially since 90% of the escapist believe in evolution.All these turn into is just everyone bashing on creationism and agreeing with each other. Really I see little discussion value in these threads

 

[IceStar100]

The Escaist Proof Athist are no better then religous fanatics.

Athiests don't have a messiah figure telling them not to judge. Christians do... and yet....

Judge not lest ye be judged don't blame the creator for the faulty of man. If people want to twist and turn things to judge someone else they will. So blame the reader not the book.

The Escaist Proof Athist are no better then religous fanatics.

I assume you're trying to say that atheists on this site are no better than religious fanatics.

Which is a load of shit. Reading through this thread, all I've seen are atheists and...uh...what was the term? Theistic evolutionist? Is that the one? Believing in God and accepting evolution?
Whatever.
Point is - the atheists have pulled up scientific evidence and shot down the unprovable pieces of propaganda the creationists have thrown up in response. They have not been superior or arrogant. They have invited the creationists to bring their evidence. How is that proof that we atheists are in any way to be compared to religious fanatics?

No just blind loyalty the inability to admit. Hey we could be wrong and the fact they attack anyone who does not believe what they believe. They would cause a war if they were enough of them. So no they are no better than the west church. Trying to force a view and yelling like a mad profit. People who can only be around other like minded people unable to admit any wrong. So no I don?t see most of the hateful atheist here as any different than the fanatic with the god hates gays sign.

holy fuck how biased are you?

How many atheists have you seen physically damaging a religious person?

How many atheists have executed religious people?

How many atheists go to your house and tell you to join their cult?

What kind of atheists have you seen? Or rather, what kind of atheists have others tell you about? Because everything you have claimed there is absolute bollocks.

"Blind loyalty"? Ha! Being evolutionist is exactly the opposite of being blind. If you are evolutionist, it's because you actually cared to question how the world works. I can't count the number of christians that have became atheists after realizing christianity is absolutely insane. That is not being blind, that's opening your eyes.

"They would cause a war", "they attack anyone who does not believe what they believe"? What the hell? Seriously, I'm gonna need you to show me some proof of fanatic atheists directly attacking christians without any other added motivation.

Holy shit I can't believe my eyes. How, just, HOW did you get to the conclussion that atheists are fanatic violent and unstable extremists that would kill anyone in the world that isn't atheist? Because unless you are misspelling "atheist" for "religious", this is the biggest load of bullshit I've ever read on this forum.

We may "attack" you verbally, as in, trying to debunk your theories, but I've yet to meet an atheist that would be willing to beat the shit out of you just for your beliefs. That's just insane and you know it.

holy fuck how biased are you?
((Non I?m an agnostic))
How many atheists have you seen physically damaging a religious person?
((Everyday heck your attacking me right now with swords or words an attack is still and attack))
How many atheists have executed religious people?
(Don?t have the numbers so yeah. I?ve see it here along many say they think every belivier should be killed to better mankind and stop holding it back)
How many atheists go to your house and tell you to join their cult?
(They don?t go door to door they wait to find out you?re a christion and then go nuts so you do recuit)
What kind of atheists have you seen? Or rather, what kind of atheists have others tell you about? Because everything you have claimed there is absolute bollocks.
(I?m going to stop here because you prove my point better then I ever could.)

"Blind loyalty"? Ha! Being evolutionist is exactly the opposite of being blind. If you are evolutionist, it's because you actually cared to question how the world works. I can't count the number of christians that have became atheists after realizing christianity is absolutely insane. That is not being blind, that's opening your eyes.
"They would cause a war", "they attack anyone who does not believe what they believe"? What the hell? Seriously, I'm gonna need you to show me some proof of fanatic atheists directly attacking christians without any other added motivation.
Holy shit I can't believe my eyes. How, just, HOW did you get to the conclussion that atheists are fanatic violent and unstable extremists that would kill anyone in the world that isn't atheist? Because unless you are misspelling "atheist" for "religious", this is the biggest load of bullshit I've ever read on this forum.
We may "attack" you verbally, as in, trying to debunk your theories, but I've yet to meet an atheist that would be willing to beat the shit out of you just for your beliefs. That's just insane and you know it.

 

[Sight Unseen]

Judge not lest ye be judged don't blame the creator for the faulty of man. If people want to twist and turn things to judge someone else they will. So blame the reader not the book.

The Escaist Proof Athist are no better then religous fanatics.

I assume you're trying to say that atheists on this site are no better than religious fanatics.

Which is a load of shit. Reading through this thread, all I've seen are atheists and...uh...what was the term? Theistic evolutionist? Is that the one? Believing in God and accepting evolution?
Whatever.
Point is - the atheists have pulled up scientific evidence and shot down the unprovable pieces of propaganda the creationists have thrown up in response. They have not been superior or arrogant. They have invited the creationists to bring their evidence. How is that proof that we atheists are in any way to be compared to religious fanatics?

No just blind loyalty the inability to admit. Hey we could be wrong and the fact they attack anyone who does not believe what they believe. They would cause a war if they were enough of them. So no they are no better than the west church. Trying to force a view and yelling like a mad profit. People who can only be around other like minded people unable to admit any wrong. So no I don?t see most of the hateful atheist here as any different than the fanatic with the god hates gays sign.

Which atheist has been hateful or fanatical here? Most people are simply refuting the wildly falacious claims that the religious are bringing forth. The only ill will is towards us.

your statement is hugely generalizing and prejudiced. I'd be more than happy if all religion went away, but I would never support any kind of war to achieve that. Most religious people are decent people who are just ill-informed and brainwashed from a young age.

I am not a fanatical atheist who is maliciously trying to convert people. I just want people to think with an open mind and actually look at the facts and judge for themselves. And there are no good facts supporting a creation, let alone a Christian creation.

 

[AlexNora]

yes i know he adds nothing but maybe some experiments are a waste of time

The conspiracy theorist aspects of your post were snipped.

In the context of trying to advance a scientific agenda, no, experiments are not a waste of time. They are, in fact, the entire basis of science. No experiments = Not science.

??? conspiracy i'm just saying some things don't need to be looked at like if my computer screen broke i wouldn't check the mother board for problems. im saying try aproching evolution from a different angle.

 

[sergnb]

The Escaist Proof Athist are no better then religous fanatics.

Athiests don't have a messiah figure telling them not to judge. Christians do... and yet....

Judge not lest ye be judged don't blame the creator for the faulty of man. If people want to twist and turn things to judge someone else they will. So blame the reader not the book.

The Escaist Proof Athist are no better then religous fanatics.

I assume you're trying to say that atheists on this site are no better than religious fanatics.

Which is a load of shit. Reading through this thread, all I've seen are atheists and...uh...what was the term? Theistic evolutionist? Is that the one? Believing in God and accepting evolution?
Whatever.
Point is - the atheists have pulled up scientific evidence and shot down the unprovable pieces of propaganda the creationists have thrown up in response. They have not been superior or arrogant. They have invited the creationists to bring their evidence. How is that proof that we atheists are in any way to be compared to religious fanatics?

No just blind loyalty the inability to admit. Hey we could be wrong and the fact they attack anyone who does not believe what they believe. They would cause a war if they were enough of them. So no they are no better than the west church. Trying to force a view and yelling like a mad profit. People who can only be around other like minded people unable to admit any wrong. So no I don?t see most of the hateful atheist here as any different than the fanatic with the god hates gays sign.

holy fuck how biased are you?

How many atheists have you seen physically damaging a religious person?

How many atheists have executed religious people?

How many atheists go to your house and tell you to join their cult?

What kind of atheists have you seen? Or rather, what kind of atheists have others tell you about? Because everything you have claimed there is absolute bollocks.

"Blind loyalty"? Ha! Being evolutionist is exactly the opposite of being blind. If you are evolutionist, it's because you actually cared to question how the world works. I can't count the number of christians that have became atheists after realizing christianity is absolutely insane. That is not being blind, that's opening your eyes.

"They would cause a war", "they attack anyone who does not believe what they believe"? What the hell? Seriously, I'm gonna need you to show me some proof of fanatic atheists directly attacking christians without any other added motivation.

Holy shit I can't believe my eyes. How, just, HOW did you get to the conclussion that atheists are fanatic violent and unstable extremists that would kill anyone in the world that isn't atheist? Because unless you are misspelling "atheist" for "religious", this is the biggest load of bullshit I've ever read on this forum.

We may "attack" you verbally, as in, trying to debunk your theories, but I've yet to meet an atheist that would be willing to beat the shit out of you just for your beliefs. That's just insane and you know it.

holy fuck how biased are you?
((Non I?m an agnostic))
How many atheists have you seen physically damaging a religious person?
((Everyday heck your attacking me right now with swords or words an attack is still and attack))
How many atheists have executed religious people?
(Don?t have the numbers so yeah. I?ve see it here along many say they think every belivier should be killed to better mankind and stop holding it back)
How many atheists go to your house and tell you to join their cult?
(They don?t go door to door they wait to find out you?re a christion and then go nuts so you do recuit)
What kind of atheists have you seen? Or rather, what kind of atheists have others tell you about? Because everything you have claimed there is absolute bollocks.
(I?m going to stop here because you prove my point better then I ever could.)

"Blind loyalty"? Ha! Being evolutionist is exactly the opposite of being blind. If you are evolutionist, it's because you actually cared to question how the world works. I can't count the number of christians that have became atheists after realizing christianity is absolutely insane. That is not being blind, that's opening your eyes.
"They would cause a war", "they attack anyone who does not believe what they believe"? What the hell? Seriously, I'm gonna need you to show me some proof of fanatic atheists directly attacking christians without any other added motivation.
Holy shit I can't believe my eyes. How, just, HOW did you get to the conclussion that atheists are fanatic violent and unstable extremists that would kill anyone in the world that isn't atheist? Because unless you are misspelling "atheist" for "religious", this is the biggest load of bullshit I've ever read on this forum.
We may "attack" you verbally, as in, trying to debunk your theories, but I've yet to meet an atheist that would be willing to beat the shit out of you just for your beliefs. That's just insane and you know it.

Having a discussion is not attacking, for fuck's sake. I wouldn't "start a war" because our opinions differ. You have some twitched concept of attacking and offense.

Ok, seriously, QUOTE me someone that has EVER said that a christian should die. ANYONE. I am seriously requesting you. I have NEVER seen anyone say that christians should die. Perhaps you may have heard "the world would be better without religion". Yeah, we aren't saying we should execute all religions, we are saying that if would have been better if they didn't exist in the first place, but we aren't actively GETTING RID of them like you are trying to imply here.

When someone confronts someone and questions his beliefs, he is not FLIPPING ATTACKING HIM, HE IS JUST TRYING TO PROVE A POINT.

Oh and by the way, I recommend you read this http://i.imgur.com/kCBlh.jpg

Also stop talking about atheists like they are some twisted extremist group, we are not fucking going to murder nor beat anyone, I bet that would be awesome for you since you could just sit in your throne of in-between that is being "agnostic" and not give a fuck (by the way, you can't just be agnostic, that isn't an option, agnosticism is not a stance between atheism and theism, if you want to learn more about it go read a book or visit wikipedia, or ask me if you are really that curious, I could tell you the difference)

 

[renegade7]

No, because there is none. I'm sorry, but creationism has no basis in science and fact. Faith=/= Fact, no matter how hard you want to believe.

 

[Crazy_Dude]

How can I study something that isn't there?

No, I don't want to watch your propaganda videos.

Religion is fine. The problem starts when religious people try to present their baseless opinions as facts or as empirical truth, and do not want seperation of church and state. Denying certain scientific theories is also a problem.

Gotta agree with this guy. I dont mind religious people as long they arent trying to convert me and shove their precious holy book in my face.

 

[Sight Unseen]

*snip*

http://freethoughtblogs.com/dispatches/2011/08/30/pastor-wants-national-registry-for-atheists/

Read this over well a couple times, and THEN you try and tell us that the atheists are the ones trying to oppress (or kill) the religious people. Seriously, fuck. Atheists get discriminated against by religious people all the time

 

[sergnb]

How can I study something that isn't there?

No, I don't want to watch your propaganda videos.

Religion is fine. The problem starts when religious people try to present their baseless opinions as facts or as empirical truth, and do not want seperation of church and state. Denying certain scientific theories is also a problem.

Gotta agree with this guy. I dont mind religious people as long they arent trying to convert me and shove their precious holy book in my face.

Spoiler

 

[IceStar100]

Judge not lest ye be judged don't blame the creator for the faulty of man. If people want to twist and turn things to judge someone else they will. So blame the reader not the book.

The Escaist Proof Athist are no better then religous fanatics.

I assume you're trying to say that atheists on this site are no better than religious fanatics.

Which is a load of shit. Reading through this thread, all I've seen are atheists and...uh...what was the term? Theistic evolutionist? Is that the one? Believing in God and accepting evolution?
Whatever.
Point is - the atheists have pulled up scientific evidence and shot down the unprovable pieces of propaganda the creationists have thrown up in response. They have not been superior or arrogant. They have invited the creationists to bring their evidence. How is that proof that we atheists are in any way to be compared to religious fanatics?

No just blind loyalty the inability to admit. Hey we could be wrong and the fact they attack anyone who does not believe what they believe. They would cause a war if they were enough of them. So no they are no better than the west church. Trying to force a view and yelling like a mad profit. People who can only be around other like minded people unable to admit any wrong. So no I don?t see most of the hateful atheist here as any different than the fanatic with the god hates gays sign.

Which atheist has been hateful or fanatical here? Most people are simply refuting the wildly falacious claims that the religious are bringing forth. The only ill will is towards us.

your statement is hugely generalizing and prejudiced. I'd be more than happy if all religion went away, but I would never support any kind of war to achieve that. Most religious people are decent people who are just ill-informed and brainwashed from a young age.

I am not a fanatical atheist who is maliciously trying to convert people. I just want people to think with an open mind and actually look at the facts and judge for themselves. And there are no good facts supporting a creation, let alone a Christian creation.

The simple fact is I seen it with my own eye. Atheist attack a believer over and over unable to leave them alone. Maybe they are sheep but there happy and the Atheist feel the need to crush that person. They are unable to let that person be and I've seen more atheist attack christen who just want to be left alone.

I will give the ones who burn or kill others because of a sky wizard need to be stopped. Why can't they leave the one alone who does none of that but is a believer because it brings about a sense of peace. If this person need to believe to have any sense of quality of life and don't start the whole lie thing. It?s a lie that can only be unproven on death. So explain why they are attacked.

 

[sergnb]

Judge not lest ye be judged don't blame the creator for the faulty of man. If people want to twist and turn things to judge someone else they will. So blame the reader not the book.

The Escaist Proof Athist are no better then religous fanatics.

I assume you're trying to say that atheists on this site are no better than religious fanatics.

Which is a load of shit. Reading through this thread, all I've seen are atheists and...uh...what was the term? Theistic evolutionist? Is that the one? Believing in God and accepting evolution?
Whatever.
Point is - the atheists have pulled up scientific evidence and shot down the unprovable pieces of propaganda the creationists have thrown up in response. They have not been superior or arrogant. They have invited the creationists to bring their evidence. How is that proof that we atheists are in any way to be compared to religious fanatics?

No just blind loyalty the inability to admit. Hey we could be wrong and the fact they attack anyone who does not believe what they believe. They would cause a war if they were enough of them. So no they are no better than the west church. Trying to force a view and yelling like a mad profit. People who can only be around other like minded people unable to admit any wrong. So no I don?t see most of the hateful atheist here as any different than the fanatic with the god hates gays sign.

Which atheist has been hateful or fanatical here? Most people are simply refuting the wildly falacious claims that the religious are bringing forth. The only ill will is towards us.

your statement is hugely generalizing and prejudiced. I'd be more than happy if all religion went away, but I would never support any kind of war to achieve that. Most religious people are decent people who are just ill-informed and brainwashed from a young age.

I am not a fanatical atheist who is maliciously trying to convert people. I just want people to think with an open mind and actually look at the facts and judge for themselves. And there are no good facts supporting a creation, let alone a Christian creation.

The simple fact is I seen it with my own eye. Atheist attack a believer over and over unable to leave them alone. Maybe they are sheep but there happy and the Atheist feel the need to crush that person. They are unable to let that person be and I've seen more atheist attack christen who just want to be left alone.

I will give the ones who burn or kill others because of a sky wizard need to be stopped. Why can't they leave the one alone who does none of that but is a believer because it brings about a sense of peace. If this person need to believe to have any sense of quality of life and don't start the whole lie thing. It?s a lie that can only be unproven on death. So explain why they are attacked.

Sigh... You keep using that word attack. I do not think it means what you think it means. Atheists do not attack christians. They discuss with them. They have different opinions, so a clash is bound to happen. It is just natural.

"maybe they are sheep but they're happy". See? THAT'S THE PROBLEM. A religious person being a sheep directly affects me, and it affects our inmediate future. We do not feel the need to "crush" anyone. We are trying to get them to abandon a falacy. We are trying to tell them that they are living in a fairy world.

Tell me, if you were in a chamber that simulates ALL YOU EVER NEED OR WANT, but it would be all totally fake, and someone pulled you out of the machine and tell you you have been living a lie, would you be thankful or resentful?

If you were Neo, would have you picked the blue pill, or the red pill?

What is so wrong with us wanting you to see the truth? You are living a fantasy and we are trying to get you to see the true world.

And yes, we are allowed to do that, it is our business, it concerns us. Because these "sheep" go to vote a president, and that president rules above us. Trust me, I would happily leave you alone in your fantasy if that didn't interfere in any shape or form with me, BUT IT DOES.

One more ignorant christian is one less engineer, one less scientific, one less evolutionist, one less astronaut, one less biologist, etc etc, you see my point.

 

[Sight Unseen]

Judge not lest ye be judged don't blame the creator for the faulty of man. If people want to twist and turn things to judge someone else they will. So blame the reader not the book.

The Escaist Proof Athist are no better then religous fanatics.

I assume you're trying to say that atheists on this site are no better than religious fanatics.

Which is a load of shit. Reading through this thread, all I've seen are atheists and...uh...what was the term? Theistic evolutionist? Is that the one? Believing in God and accepting evolution?
Whatever.
Point is - the atheists have pulled up scientific evidence and shot down the unprovable pieces of propaganda the creationists have thrown up in response. They have not been superior or arrogant. They have invited the creationists to bring their evidence. How is that proof that we atheists are in any way to be compared to religious fanatics?

No just blind loyalty the inability to admit. Hey we could be wrong and the fact they attack anyone who does not believe what they believe. They would cause a war if they were enough of them. So no they are no better than the west church. Trying to force a view and yelling like a mad profit. People who can only be around other like minded people unable to admit any wrong. So no I don?t see most of the hateful atheist here as any different than the fanatic with the god hates gays sign.

Which atheist has been hateful or fanatical here? Most people are simply refuting the wildly falacious claims that the religious are bringing forth. The only ill will is towards us.

your statement is hugely generalizing and prejudiced. I'd be more than happy if all religion went away, but I would never support any kind of war to achieve that. Most religious people are decent people who are just ill-informed and brainwashed from a young age.

I am not a fanatical atheist who is maliciously trying to convert people. I just want people to think with an open mind and actually look at the facts and judge for themselves. And there are no good facts supporting a creation, let alone a Christian creation.

The simple fact is I seen it with my own eye. Atheist attack a believer over and over unable to leave them alone. Maybe they are sheep but there happy and the Atheist feel the need to crush that person. They are unable to let that person be and I've seen more atheist attack christen who just want to be left alone.

I will give the ones who burn or kill others because of a sky wizard need to be stopped. Why can't they leave the one alone who does none of that but is a believer because it brings about a sense of peace. If this person need to believe to have any sense of quality of life and don't start the whole lie thing. It?s a lie that can only be unproven on death. So explain why they are attacked.

I'm sorry, but I find your grammar very hard to understand what you're actually trying to say. If you're not english as your first language then I apologize, but its hard to have a talk when I dont really know what you're talking about.

Anyway, atheists are still hugely in a minority in the world, and they are actively being oppressed by religions, just like religion oppresses so many other minority groups (LGBT, pro choicers, other smaller religions, sometimes whole races). Yes there are some militant atheists who are so bent on converting people that they can be assholes. No, they are not the majority. Atheists are more oppressed than they are oppressive. Most just mind their own business most of the time, or try to rationally convince people that maybe they aren't believing things that make the most sense.

I personally have never heard a story of an atheist murdering someone because of their religion. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but it happens significantly less than religious group members killing people in the name of their religion (killing of Dr. Tiller, muslim extremism)

 

[evilneko]

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I find it amusing how you paint atheists with such a broad brush, not realizing you're just committing the same fallacious error of logic as you accuse atheists of doing.

I'm sorry, but I find your grammar very hard to understand what you're actually trying to say. If you're not english as your first language then I apologize, but its hard to have a talk when I dont really know what you're talking about.

If you're going to complain about another person's grammar, it's best to make sure you don't make any mistakes of your own. That aside, his grammar is indeed much worse.

 

[yman15]

The Escaist Proof Athist are no better then religous fanatics.

Athiests don't have a messiah figure telling them not to judge. Christians do... and yet....

Judge not lest ye be judged don't blame the creator for the faulty of man. If people want to twist and turn things to judge someone else they will. So blame the reader not the book.

The Escaist Proof Athist are no better then religous fanatics.

I assume you're trying to say that atheists on this site are no better than religious fanatics.

Which is a load of shit. Reading through this thread, all I've seen are atheists and...uh...what was the term? Theistic evolutionist? Is that the one? Believing in God and accepting evolution?
Whatever.
Point is - the atheists have pulled up scientific evidence and shot down the unprovable pieces of propaganda the creationists have thrown up in response. They have not been superior or arrogant. They have invited the creationists to bring their evidence. How is that proof that we atheists are in any way to be compared to religious fanatics?

No just blind loyalty the inability to admit. Hey we could be wrong and the fact they attack anyone who does not believe what they believe. They would cause a war if they were enough of them. So no they are no better than the west church. Trying to force a view and yelling like a mad profit. People who can only be around other like minded people unable to admit any wrong. So no I don?t see most of the hateful atheist here as any different than the fanatic with the god hates gays sign.

holy fuck how biased are you?

How many atheists have you seen physically damaging a religious person?

How many atheists have executed religious people?

How many atheists go to your house and tell you to join their cult?

What kind of atheists have you seen? Or rather, what kind of atheists have others tell you about? Because everything you have claimed there is absolute bollocks.

"Blind loyalty"? Ha! Being evolutionist is exactly the opposite of being blind. If you are evolutionist, it's because you actually cared to question how the world works. I can't count the number of christians that have became atheists after realizing christianity is absolutely insane. That is not being blind, that's opening your eyes.

"They would cause a war", "they attack anyone who does not believe what they believe"? What the hell? Seriously, I'm gonna need you to show me some proof of fanatic atheists directly attacking christians without any other added motivation.

Holy shit I can't believe my eyes. How, just, HOW did you get to the conclussion that atheists are fanatic violent and unstable extremists that would kill anyone in the world that isn't atheist? Because unless you are misspelling "atheist" for "religious", this is the biggest load of bullshit I've ever read on this forum.

We may "attack" you verbally, as in, trying to debunk your theories, but I've yet to meet an atheist that would be willing to beat the shit out of you just for your beliefs. That's just insane and you know it.

Uh I think you need to calm down lol. Your kind of proving his point. I wouldn't go as far as to say atheists = Religious fanatics but you some of you do need some sensitivity training. Constantly bashing on others beliefs. It doesn't feel so good when some one generalizes you does it? Yet I see so many atheists do this everyday and say there different from religious people. Really what you did just now is the equivalent of yelling you're not violent at him in real life. There's a difference between debunking someones arguments and attacking them and this was definitely an attack.

 

[Luke3184]

I was an Protestant for 13 years, and it bothers the hell out of me that the only definitive argument that Christians give me (who, notably, usually start the whole thing) is "Well you have to read the bible!" To which I reply by a site like Evil Bible.com and reading them what their holy book says.
I used to do it by memory, but, I stopped giving a shit.

EDIT: It's incredibly condescending in the "my beleifs are so perfect that the ONLY POSSIBLE REASON you could disagree with me is ignorance!" which is incredibly hypocritical, considering the track record of that particular demographic.

Thank you for the site post it was a fascinating read.

OT: During my younger years I was very much sold on the religious creationism theory, I knew of Evolution but was... I suppose the best word would be sceptical of it simply due to the fact I'd spent my primary school years being brainwashed. I went to the local C of E school, at which through my six years of attendance we regularly attended church and our 'RE' (If you can call it that) lessons consisted of intensively reading the bible for hours on end (admittedly the children's bible which fails to include all the rape and murder) and watching "educational" videos about how all other religions were sinful, one in particular I remember was one about how Sikhs and Hindus were murdering each other as part of God divine will. I took somebody very close to me killing themselves to break me out of this mind set and allowing me a bit more of some freedom of thought. Whilst I have explored Paganism and some of the more obscure sects and cults I refuse to touch any religion that deems everything is part of a divine plan and that, that person died because they were bad or that it was Gods will. Despite settling on Atheism a reasonably long time ago I have remained fascinated by theology as a phenomenon, have read a fair selection of holy books and had some very interesting Q and A sessions with various priests. But in conclusion yes I have studied Creationism and have found it to be utter bull, I have also found discussing it with religious people to be somewhat akin to bashing my head against a wall, one such occasion had a Baptist tell me that if I had read the bible I would have gotten over the stumbling block that is evolution, however when I replied that I had and was still an evolutionist his only reply was to tell me too read it again in the 'right' way. Anyway that's my story and my thoughts.

Sorry for the text wall.

 

[Gene O]

You're right. I haven't. Here are a list of other things I haven't seriously investigated:

- Whether or not the mountains are made from the bones of Ymir the frost giant and the vaults of the heavens made from his skull after he was slain by Odin and his brothers.

- Whether or not it is the weight of our sins that binds us to this ground rather than gravity.

- My mitichlorian count.

- Whether or not the Earth is flat.

No, I didn't follow your link but I've followed many like it and read some books on the subject including Behe's "Darwin's Black Box." The arguments for creationism amount to: 1) Science is hard. Especially statistics and 2) I really want to believe.

Can you explain to me why that fantasy is worthier of investigation than the ones I just listed?