Poll: Evolution vs Creationism NO FLAMEWARS PLEASE

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lenin_117 said:
The infamous SCAMola said:
Evolutionist.

Creationism just doesn't make any sense.
See, you're going to have to elaborate there. What about it doesn't make sense?
Really? Do I have to go on a rant here?

I'm just going to let my friend Ricky Gervais explain:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_EXqdJ4L7I
 

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lenin_117 said:
The infamous SCAMola said:
Evolutionist.

Creationism just doesn't make any sense.
See, you're going to have to elaborate there. What about it doesn't make sense?
More or less all of it I think that was his point, "doesn't make any sense".
 

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Evolutionism as originally published had some gaping holes, such as being Lamarckian. Even today's model has serious flaws. Creationism as published has some VERY serious flaws. Directed panspermia is an awesome idea, but crazy. Being Christian means that on some level I have to believe manners are directed, but this takes the form of neither Dawkins-esque evolutionism or young earth creationism, while accepting elements and insights of both.

OP, you did kind of drop a match on the floor in a crowded theater and yell "Nobody say fire!" a bit.
 

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Heres a bit of a thought provoker for evolutionists like me.

Through gene mapping it has been proven that all humans alive today had a single common female ancestor. The team who discovered this have nicknamed her Eve.

Science possibly proving creationism right?
 

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Internet Kraken said:
Don't be afraid to dodge the sensitive issues.
I think it's precisely the sensitive issues that need to be dodged less. Maybe then they wouldn't be so sensitive.

And I think that the question of creationism and evolution is one that every person would do well to devote a good amount of time and thought and reasonable discussion to (I know the 'reasonable discussion' part might be a bit of an ask.

Because if every one devoted those things to this issue, I believe that the doctrine of creationism would pretty much be reasoned out of existence within a very short time. So, yeah, mark me down as an evolutionist.
 

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lenin_117 said:
The infamous SCAMola said:
Evolutionist.

Creationism just doesn't make any sense.
See, you're going to have to elaborate there. What about it doesn't make sense?
It's magic. Ever heard the things some creationists use as explanations to make creationism less fairytale-ish? That stuff is hi-la-ri-ous. Hydroplate 'theory', the ice canopy above the planet, just to name some things. It's all so much scientific nonsense even a highschool student would laugh in their faces.

*ahem*

Anyway, the current evolutional theory is the only current scientific explanation for the development of life on earth (that does not include life's origins). It's far from done, obviously, and shitloads of stuff is unclear, and we learn new things every day. Glad about it ofcourse, or else evolutionary biologists would be out of work fast ;-)
 

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fletch_talon said:
I believe evolution is more than just a theory its common sense. We know mutation occurs in species' populations. Natural selection is just logic, if you're more capable of surviving than someone else, then you're more likely to survive... DUH!
But does this translate into your race gaining new features?
fletch_talon said:
So in regards to evolution, the only debate I see is whether the Earth has existed long enough for evolution to take place. Creationists constantly try to point out flaws in science's reasoning, but since everytime I see them attempt to do so its an epic phail on their side, I have trouble taking them seriously.

For example, some creationists or (intelligent design theorists) will claim that a complex adaptation of an animal can't have developed by evolution because it woud need to do so piece by piece, and that one piece on its own provides no benefit.
The flaw? A mutation doesn't need to be beneficial in order to survive, it helps certainly, and having a negative effect on the creature's survival rate will hinder its chances, but the fact is, the organism with that trait has as much chance of passing its genes on as the organisms without said trait.
So why don't we have several useless organs? It must be beneficial to survival or it would be just as likely to develop as a false kidney.
 

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First off, I'd like to point out that asking people to avoid flames in a God topic is like asking a starved rabid bear in national park to refrain from eating people.

Now that that's out of the way, I believe in both. It's baffling, isn't it?
 

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If you can't prove existence of something, then we will have to believe you are just a dumb-ass making stuff up.


Aliens vs God

God? Proof? What? Going to go incite a mob? Going to say I burn in hell for not believing?

Aliens? There are MANY, MANY GALAXIES OUT THERE. The hubble space telescope found 10,000 by just capturing light for 4 months.


You couldn't go to court and say god made you do it as an excuse, why? No proof. What so ever.
 

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Easy, the theory of evolution doesn't explain the ORIGIN of life, just the DIVERSITY. This thread is asking if you believe in creation, or diversity, and doesn't make any sense in the least.
 

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I'm Right Wing and Catholic, I believe in evolution. Yeah, also I don't hate gays, maybe I should be in a freak show or something...
 

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You Didnt have to live in last two centuries to believe in Evolution:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muqaddimah#Natural_sciences

"This world with all the created things in it has a certain order and solid construction. It shows nexuses between causes and things caused, combinations of some parts of creation with others, and transformations of some existent things into others, in a pattern that is both remarkable and endless."

"One should then take a look at the world of creation. It started out from the minerals and progressed, in an ingenious, gradual manner, to plants and animals. The last stage of minerals is connected with the first stage of plants, such as herbs and seedless plants. The last stage of plants, such as palms and vines, is connected with the first stage of animals, such as snails and shellfish which have only the power of touch. The word 'connection' with regard to these created things means that the last stage of each group is fully prepared to become the first stage of the newest group."

"The animal world then widens, its species become numerous, and, in a gradual process of creation, it finally leads to man, who is able to think and reflect. The higher stage of man is reached from the world of monkeys, in which both sagacity and preception are found, but which has not reached the stage of actual reflection and thinking. At this point we come to the first stage of man. This is as far as our (physical) observation extends."


Ibn Khaldun, The Muqaddimah, 1377 CE
 

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lenin_117 said:
Sindre1 said:
I Europe, noone belives in creationism.
You Americans are gullible ^^ Trying to pass off religion as science :p
Just go away. You are both very very wrong (trying to tell me that religion does not exist in Europe!) you are also trolling. So bugger off.
Actually he's right. Creationism is nothing but religion.
 

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Both, Evolotion is proven, it's a fact, but who says god didn't create evolotion or some thing?
 

lenin_117

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The infamous SCAMola said:
lenin_117 said:
The infamous SCAMola said:
Evolutionist.

Creationism just doesn't make any sense.
See, you're going to have to elaborate there. What about it doesn't make sense?
Really? Do I have to go on a rant here?

I'm just going to let my friend Ricky Gervais explain:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_EXqdJ4L7I
Yes. Yes you do have to go on a rant. Don't be lazy. If you want to say something without backing it up that's fine. In the sandpit. But here you have to explain yourself and not leave it to others to prove you right.
 

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letsnoobtehpwns said:
I'm Right Wing and Catholic, I believe in evolution. Yeah, also I don't hate gays, maybe I should be in a freak show or something...
There are a lot of people like you. Or like us.


Cliff_m85 said:
lenin_117 said:
Sindre1 said:
I Europe, noone belives in creationism.
You Americans are gullible ^^ Trying to pass off religion as science :p
Just go away. You are both very very wrong (trying to tell me that religion does not exist in Europe!) you are also trolling. So bugger off.
Actually he's right. Creationism is nothing but religion.
No, he is wrong about the Europian and the American thing.
 

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lenin_117 said:
So why don't we have several useless organs? It be beneficial to survival or it would be just as likely to develop as a false kidney.
As a matter of fact, we do. We have plenty of parts in our body we can do without, or are vestigial to use the correct term. For example, the muscles in our ears are so weak that they're completly useless. Lots of animals can move their ears, we can't, those muscles are too weak. More examples are listed here [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_vestigiality]. There are also plenty of examples from other animals, even extinct one's. The ancestors of whales for example, have those tinsy tiny shrunken hind legs.
 

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Yankmy Armoff said:
Heres a bit of a thought provoker for evolutionists like me.

Through gene mapping it has been proven that all humans alive today had a single common female ancestor. The team who discovered this have nicknamed her Eve.

Science possibly proving creationism right?
Well that's really crazy I mean that should prove some fodder for the hardcore creationists. Me I believe in creationism, but could care less what anyone else thinks. It's within their rights to believe it and I don't pass judgement since I think evolution has it's truths as well. What I don't like is when I see evolutionists, and creationists both become very close minded and try to convert each other.
 

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Evolution. Because there's fossils, carbon dating and even certain organs/appendages in creatures/humans today that give credence to the theory of evolution and while it's certainly not a watertight theory it definitely has more going for it than saying "all of this was made in 7 days by god because he was bored, everything was great till a snake convinced a lady made from a guys rib, who is the biological mother of the human race to eat some fruit off a tree, then god got mad and said we have to get sick and die and make stuff hurt now"
 

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Buffoon said:
Internet Kraken said:
Don't be afraid to dodge the sensitive issues.
I think it's precisely the sensitive issues that need to be dodged less. Maybe then they wouldn't be so sensitive.

And I think that the question of creationism and evolution is one that every person would do well to devote a good amount of time and thought and reasonable discussion to (I know the 'reasonable discussion' part might be a bit of an ask.

Because if every one devoted those things to this issue, I believe that the doctrine of creationism would pretty much be reasoned out of existence within a very short time. So, yeah, mark me down as an evolutionist.
You see I have to disagree there. The idea of religion is that you can believe in something despite overwhelming evidence that says otherwise. As long as people have faith then the idea of creationism will exist. No matter how much evidence you provide they will not depart from their belief.