Poll: Fallout: London must be made.

[jigs160]

I still say Fallout: Japan.


Of course, I really want it for this:

Spoiler

...Japanese. Power. Armor.

where did you get that i want one

 

[se7ensenses]

They mentioned "Ronto" in The Pitt. I'd be down with that or "Couver" lol

 

[tman_au]

How about Fallout: Sydney

Ruined Olympic Stadium, large area, dense population, explore Sydney Harbour Bridge, Opera House, Centre Point Tower. Game could include mutated deadly drop bears Since our country is China's personal quarry, it would fit in nicely into the whole Chinese/US resource war lore.

My other choice would be Fallout: Berlin

 

[kingcom]

I still say Fallout: Japan.


Of course, I really want it for this:

Spoiler

...Japanese. Power. Armor.

where did you get that i want one

Nice picture, too bad China would have probably overrun Japan well before the bombs dropped.

 

[Therumancer]

To put things into perspective, I'd say that Europe in Fallout would logically be totally decimated. Probably one of the reasons why someone like Mr. Tenpenny considers living in a refurbished skyscrayper such a good thing, and came to America to begin with given the oppertunity. I would say there probably isn't a london, or really anything gamable there. Just boring desperation. Sort of like "The Road" compared to "Mad Max" if even that.

The reason why I say this is that if there was a war with China, Europe is right in between it and the US. For all pretensions to the contrary Europe also has very little in the way of military power at this level. European powers having been sort of proud of their anti-nuke policies and while capable of destroying a few cities they can't blanket the world like other powers. In terms of sheer numbers the europeans also can't put enough boots on the ground to deal with the incoming Chinese. What's more in order to engage the US, they would have to take over Europe and pretty much flatten it just to take out the missle defenses (like the base we have in Poland that was under heavy discussion with the Russians). If Europe was a US Ally it probably got nuked and wiped out by the Chinese, and then nuked again by the US once it fell to try and stop them. If Europe was a Chinese ally, again it probably just got nuked out of existance by the US to again stop the Chinese from using it as a beach-head.

Actually, the quickest and easiest way for China to get to the US is over the Pacific Oceon, not through central Asia, the Middle East, Russia, and then Europe. If China wanted to attack the US, Europe is quite a big diversion. China would have only nuked Europe if the Europeans sided with the US, and since their is no evidence of WW2, and maybe even WW1 not happening, Europe would be more or less neutral with the US, so China would have no reason to nuke Europe. If the world wars never happend, Europe would, in the 1950's esque world, be only close behind the US in terms of military and economic power. Still, your other points are pretty good.

I could think of some different objections to setting Fallout outside American soil- mainly that Fallout 3 is a highly American game, the enclave to me represents American conservativism, when President Eden wants to wipe out the mutant's, i sensed old racist under-tones that lingered in the red-neck states. Looking at the ruin's, the old posters, and the old car's, and the communist red threat, also seemed to me a critque of McCarthyism in the real 1950's America. There was even slavery in there, yet another cristism of American conservativism. Fallout 3 is a very anti-American-conservative game.However, Fallout 3 is defintly not a game anti-American, in fact it is a game that is rather patriotic. The memorials and landmarks references and missions to the American constitution, i think it's trying to say that Fallout 3 is the sort of world we would live in today if American Conservatism had won out in the 1950's. It's also reminding American gamers of their real nations heratige, perhaps the writers for Bethsada think that the American right wing have hijacked and put their own destructive twist on it. Fallout 3 is fundimentally an American game, Arthur Miller would have loved Fallout 3. For these reasons, i don't see how it may work if you set it in London.. unless you keep the America-centric theme to it. I don't know, but that's my outsiders view on Fallout 3.


Hell.. i want to see a game that British and European gamers could relate to, it's kinda annoying that America dominates the gaming industry. We have over 2000 thousand years of complex history and culture, yet that's scarecely explored in the gaming, or indeed the big film industry. One of the reasons why COD 4 was such a joy to play was that you could actually play as non-American's for a change, altough in perspective the game was American. One of the reasons why i think America gets a lot of hate from Europe is because were tired of hearing about you guy's every day of every week. I have no problem at all with American's making games for American's, i would just want to see a British or European game made for Brit's or Europeans. It carn't be that hard can it?

Well your assuming of course Europe remained "neutral" to communism. But heck, the bottom line is that if their going to do this right, the bottom line is that Europe is pretty much right in the middle of the US/China confrontation. No matter what side they choose they get nuked. They stay neutral they get nuked when both sides invade them. In the end Europe is simply a land mass with too much important strategically for the purposes of moving troops/establishing logistics, or heck even placing missle or anti-missle bases that it's pretty much going to be long dead in any exchange that went so far as two super powers on either side of them exchanging MAD love.

Sure there are plenty of arguements that can be reached for like the war going around the globe the other way, or whatever, but in the end it's like a lot of other post apocolyptic situations. 99% of the world population died and it's civilizations ended. Everyone can't be in that surviving 1% and in general Europe isn't likely to be playing host to a lot less of those people than either of the big boys in the battle. Now yes, I can see the point of wanting to see your country/nation/culture survive an apocolypse and get a chance to be cool too, but really in the scope of things as they stand now, and within the Fallout world, it just doesn't work.

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As far as comments about "why does everything involve America" well consider we're the dominant world power, and the last remaining true global super power, though China will be here shortly. While not nessicarly polite to say it directly, it's true. Right now Europe is irrelevent except in an economic sense due to the EU and the growing power of the Euro. Europe mostly being a factor in terms of "allies" and unless acting in an unusually coordinated fashion sort of meaningless other than getting to have an opinion. Europe's opinions also being worth less than they normally would be because they are literally all over the board when you get down to it. In anything modern, or futuristic and based on the modern world in some way, it really does all revolve us, the Russians, and the Chinese for the most part. It's nice when someone throws another country a bone so to speak but it's not always appropriate or realistic and frequently smacks of pandering. MW does it well largely because Britan at least is one of our major allies and one of the few countries we can really rely on (and which can rely on us I would hope, if our leadership forgets this I am going to lose even more respect for them).

That said, America does NOT dominate all generes of gaming, just ones with a modern setting. Games set during say the golden age of Piracy rarely if ever involve America except in a cursory fashion. The major powers being European because that's simply how it was. Things like the "Pirates Of The Burning Sea" MMO sort of illustrate this. Ditto for games recreating say the napoleanic wars, or doing a re-telling of King-Arthur, or Charlamagne and his knights (Roland, etc...), and then we have vikings and such as well.

Europe and it's 2000 years of history is HARDLY forgotten, nor are China and Japan when you look at all the samurai/ninja/kung-fu themed games out there. It's just that right now Europe is no longer the dominant focus of human activity like it used to be. I understand Europeans wish things were otherwise, and heck if things go the right way with the EU they might actually go there, but right at this moment it's not how things are.

What's more I'll also say that when it comes to the production of media, I think it comes down to the point that other cultures are simply not willing to invest in it. Like it or not other nations don't pay their stars or create the "Hollywood Babylon" type excesses we have here. While a GOOD thing on some levels, it also means that most of the big talents come to America where they can get that kind of treatment and the big bucks. Hollywood is also willing to spend billions and billions of dollars each year to produce all these movies. On top of that we have free speech so the goverment is very much "hands off" with the media for the most part. Despite pretensions to the contrary most nations, even those who believe they are "Free" do not have this kind of freedom of expression, especially not in the mass media. While it might not affect the average citizen it CAN involve the film industry and such. It should be noted for example that in the US you will find a *LOT* of Anti-American movies and such being made, however in many other nations if someone was to try and make an Anti-Govermental movie it wouldn't end happily.

While all of those things might not apply to everything, the bottom line is that unless your looking at things on a purely artistic front Britan, France, Japan, Italy, etc.. might have film industries but they can't even come close to matching Hollywood's rate of production or quality. It's a big deal usually when a foreign film can see major success in the US because most foreign films are typically of abyssmal quality, and really take someone who actively tries to appreciate them to enjoy them, as opposed to some dude sitting down to put his brain into neutral and be entertained. Creating the best and most powerful media in the world is one of the reasons why a lot of nations have tried to limit our exports of movies and TV and such over the years.... we've probably done more to unify the world with the spread of ideas than anyone else ever has.


When it comes to video games, well all I can say is keep producing them and practicing. Europe has released some decent stuff like Risen, Gothic, The Witcher, S.T.A.L.K.E.R., and others (I like 1C's science fiction games, but they need some work). I can't think of any coming from england though off the top of my head. I see that as an issue with them not being produced more than anything else though.

Truthfully though, if you specifically want a more euro-centric approach to things like the apocolyptic genere, or the military shooter genere, then maybe more europeans should develop quality games of the sort.... and by this I don't mean creating comedy gold like "The Polish version of Rambo" or trying to engage in massive nationalism based reinventionism. Nobody outside the producing nation is liable to appreciate that much. Also when it comes to knocking America for all our perceived "arrogance" we downplay and knock ourselves plenty as it is thank you (one of the reasons I get so huffy about it).

See, for example there is no real reason why Britan couldn't make a special forces simulator about their Royal Marine Commandos or whatever operating in Iraq/Fallujah/etc. I suspect though that those who are complaining about the MW games being too "America-Centric" are largely because they don't knock America and more or less portray us as being right/the good guys in the overall scheme (which is true). Besides which when you consider that after 9/11 the US really didn't have any intelligence services and we were relying on things like British intelligence to make desicians and indeed go to Iraq... it makes Britan look rather stupid if suddenly a British perspective is to show us as being a stupid group of cowboys dragging them into an unjust war... since we did a lot of this based heavily on British advice when we were still in the process of rebuilding our intel. The world forgets that we tried to be nice guys and step out of the spy game (more or less) and when a certain decapitation strike was launched at our goverment we were scared so much because we had absolutly no idea who did it. We were almost 100% at the mercy of our allies to tell us who was responsible and why it happened. I *DO* remember that. I'm thankful to the brits especially for their assistance both with intelligence and in the actual fighting *BUT* if any nation lacks any right to criticize our actions it's them because they had a LOT to do with why we did what we did. Simply put it's their war too in a VERY real sense.


When it comes to a post apocolyptic game, again you don't need a nuclear war. Doing "Fallout: London" would be a bad idea. However there is no real reason why a new franchise based on a non-military apocolypse couldn't be developed based on the present day. Sort of like how the Russians did their "Stalker" games set in the vicinity around Chernobyl. Maybe some British Scientist flips the wrong switch on his new "will solve the world's problems" energy source and quick fries the entire continent and kills 99% of the people. Deadly radiation, mutations, and adaptive viruses cause the rest of the global community to quarantine Europe. Then set the game 50 years after this happened in London. There you go, pretty much all the stuff you wanted in the game with a logic that supports it.

 

[Mullahgrrl]

Heres the problem, as cool as that may sound, it spits all over the fiction. You see the vault network is the only thing which allowed humans to survive in the U.S. You cannot provide any adequate explanation as to why they managed to establish this same experimentation project across the rest of the world, particularly as Europe had disolved into chaos and interstate conflicts (all generally hostile to the U.S).

Ok, they didnt have the same vault 'network' but what is there to say that here wherent similar projects.


I mean, Its Holes in the ground! How hard can it be?

Those fucking kids survived in some random cave!

 

[kingcom]

Well your assuming of course Europe remained "neutral" to communism. But heck, the bottom line is that if their going to do this right, the bottom line is that Europe is pretty much right in the middle of the US/China confrontation. No matter what side they choose they get nuked. They stay neutral they get nuked when both sides invade them. In the end Europe is simply a land mass with too much important strategically for the purposes of moving troops/establishing logistics, or heck even placing missle or anti-missle bases that it's pretty much going to be long dead in any exchange that went so far as two super powers on either side of them exchanging MAD love.

EUROPE WAS GONE BEFORE THE BOMBS FELL. The EU broke down and Europe was reduced to warring city-states, they destroyed themselves before the final US - Chinese confrontation. EUROPE IS DEAD, stop arguing as if there is any hope of life in that region, they destroyed themselves effectively and the nuclear war destroyed everything else.

 

[kingcom]

Heres the problem, as cool as that may sound, it spits all over the fiction. You see the vault network is the only thing which allowed humans to survive in the U.S. You cannot provide any adequate explanation as to why they managed to establish this same experimentation project across the rest of the world, particularly as Europe had disolved into chaos and interstate conflicts (all generally hostile to the U.S).

Ok, they didnt have the same vault 'network' but what is there to say that here wherent similar projects.

I mean, Its Holes in the ground! How hard can it be?

Those fucking kids survived in some random cave!

No... the vault network needed to produce its own oxygen system, reproduce food for 100 odd years and cost a RIDICULOUS amount of money to finance (in fact it was only done so thanks to the whole purpose of the Vault project to provide experiments on the citizens for the U.S government, presuably the Enclave operatives at the time masterminding the U.S governments policy).

Also, dont use the Little Lamplight as an example. The massive plotholes there doesnt make sense. Firstly, how come there are so many kids there? They leave when they grow up and your telling me they are getting pregnant AND giving birth before they hit 13 (or something like that age)?

 

[Mullahgrrl]

EUROPE WAS GONE BEFORE THE BOMBS FELL. The EU broke down and Europe was reduced to warring city-states, they destroyed themselves before the final US - Chinese confrontation. EUROPE IS DEAD, stop arguing as if there is any hope of life in that region, they destroyed themselves effectively and the nuclear war destroyed everything else.

I would argue that a nation collapsing isn't quite the same as having nuclear bombs dropped on you.

 

[kingcom]

Playing in London Fallout 3 style would be great. So far, I can think of many things that would be great.

pro: countless land marks (London eye, for one)
pro: a clean slate. The brother hood and the enclave would not have to be in the game. Things in England will have mutated differently, so no more super mutans.
pro: new story with new groups with new point of views and strugles.

What do you think? I personaly am not british, but my father is and still has a thivk accent. I have been there many times and would greatly enjoy going through the palace with my combat shotgun blwing off heads of britich raiders.

only if black isle make it, I've seen bethesda's attempt at a fallout game and it was ass

Black Isle no longer exists and the original developers have scattered to various companies.

 

[PhiMed]

I'm not aware that Britain has much of a nuclear arsenal, so why would they be struck in a nuclear war? In order for the devastation to be on the scale expected from the series, the writers would either have to completely overlook this fact, or go into a level of exposition unprecedented in the series to explain why this strike would've happened. Also, the cold war mentality that gave rise to the construction of fallout shelters in the U.S. never quite took hold in Britain.

 

[kingcom]

EUROPE WAS GONE BEFORE THE BOMBS FELL. The EU broke down and Europe was reduced to warring city-states, they destroyed themselves before the final US - Chinese confrontation. EUROPE IS DEAD, stop arguing as if there is any hope of life in that region, they destroyed themselves effectively and the nuclear war destroyed everything else.

I would argue that a nation collapsing isn't quite the same as having nuclear bombs dropped on you.

Well, think of it like this, you split all the countries of Europe into their individual cities, put them to war and scatter nuclear weaposn about (which considering Russia, France and England were all nuclear equiped states aswell in fallout canon) they are going to blow eachoter up. Not to mention both China and US considered them hostiles and would have targeted them.

I'm not aware that Britain has much of a nuclear arsenal, so why would they be struck in a nuclear war? In order for the devastation to be on the scale expected from the series, the writers would either have to completely overlook this fact, or go into a level of exposition unprecedented in the series to explain why this strike would've happened. Also, the cold war mentality that gave rise to the construction of fallout shelters in the U.S. never quite took hold in Britain.

Your trying to apply real world circumstances to fallout universe, that doesnt work. The cold war was radically differen (as its presumed the Vietnam War never happened and technology developed radically differently), all the NPT powers would presumably be stockpiling rather heavily. Since the Fallout 1 intro goes out of its way to explain Europe collapsing in on itself and saying "the world" rather than "U.S and China" being involved in the nuclear war i would say they would be taken out.

 

[martin's a madman]

When you think about it, Fallout 3 would be awesome no matter where you put it. London would certainly be interesting, just to see how the other parts of the world were effected by the...well...end. Another good place would be China or Japan.

I'd imagine China is a big hole in the ground.
Fallout in Canada? Imagine the Toronto or Montreal or Vancouver area. You know, where all the people are? Calgary wouldn't hurt either.

 

[Connosaurus Rex]

I want a fallout somewhere that wouldn't have been hit hard, i.e. midwest or maybe finally see the commonwealth. I do have a prejudice for a commonwealth one because that's where I live.

 

[martin's a madman]

EUROPE WAS GONE BEFORE THE BOMBS FELL. The EU broke down and Europe was reduced to warring city-states, they destroyed themselves before the final US - Chinese confrontation. EUROPE IS DEAD, stop arguing as if there is any hope of life in that region, they destroyed themselves effectively and the nuclear war destroyed everything else.

I would argue that a nation collapsing isn't quite the same as having nuclear bombs dropped on you.

Well, think of it like this, you split all the countries of Europe into their individual cities, put them to war and scatter nuclear weaposn about (which considering Russia, France and England were all nuclear equiped states aswell in fallout canon) they are going to blow eachoter up. Not to mention both China and US considered them hostiles and would have targeted them.

I'm not aware that Britain has much of a nuclear arsenal, so why would they be struck in a nuclear war? In order for the devastation to be on the scale expected from the series, the writers would either have to completely overlook this fact, or go into a level of exposition unprecedented in the series to explain why this strike would've happened. Also, the cold war mentality that gave rise to the construction of fallout shelters in the U.S. never quite took hold in Britain.

Your trying to apply real world circumstances to fallout universe, that doesnt work. The cold war was radically differen (as its presumed the Vietnam War never happened and technology developed radically differently), all the NPT powers would presumably be stockpiling rather heavily. Since the Fallout 1 intro goes out of its way to explain Europe collapsing in on itself and saying "the world" rather than "U.S and China" being involved in the nuclear war i would say they would be taken out.

Also the Fallout universe re-wrote history, it stated that the US fell behind in the production of Nuclear weapons if I remember properly. So it makes sense that in the universe Europe was ready, it did fight a war with the Middle East after all.

 

[kingcom]

I want a fallout somewhere that wouldn't have been hit hard, i.e. midwest or maybe finally see the commonwealth. I do have a prejudice for a commonwealth one because that's where I live.

Yes, exactly. Other places across the U.S is what makes sense (although any population centre would have been hit fairly hard). China could potentially make sense as across the vast landscape some inhabitants may have survived (simply because no nukes wouldhave been launched in these low population zones).

 

[Mullahgrrl]

No... the vault network needed to produce its own oxygen system, reproduce food for 100 odd years

You wouldn't have to stay in for so long, Vault City was built round Vault 8 after it opened 2091, and the war was in 2077.

 

[kingcom]

I am quite aware, but them making another fallout is far more likely than bethesda making a good fallout (and I used to love bethesda they made amazing games)

So true, though i cant stand Bethesda....would love to see another classic fallout game.