Hope Chest said:
(1)Wouldn't the truly evolved being realize that their disgust is a personal, subjective reaction and not something anyone else 'deserves' so that there's no need to care about who is and is not blanketed with it, they should just keep it to themselves?
(2)How is complaining about how other people are treating you badly not 'doing something about it' or taking 'an active role in their own lives'? (3)When people complain, that's the first step to making mistreatment of the overweight looked down upon as an ugly, unacceptable behavior by society which would reduce that stress?
(4)It's like if you're being attacked by someone--if you just sit there and let them attack you instead of running away, that's one thing ((5)leaving aside the issues here with blaming the victim); but how can you call standing your ground and fighting back doing nothing?
(6)It makes no sense to say that. Sex addicts don't just suffer from the 'stigma' of being sex addicts: they also do things like cheat on loved ones; alcoholics beat up their family because they're out of control, not because of stress over being called an alcoholic.
(7)Why isn't fighting back against someone who unfairly treats them badly "good ol' wherewithal and stick-to-it-ivenes"? Maybe such treatment isn't responsible for the choices, but why should we blame fat people for fighting back instead of just giving in?
The point of the thread in the first place was that I think fat people in general are mistreated, but not nearly as mistreated as minorities and the LGBT.
(8)Maybe, maybe not. (9)Doesn't make it right to mistreat someone just because others are being treated even worse.
The other point of the thread is that, in general, the overwhelming majority of us need to stop consuming garbage and live healthier lifestyles, myself included.
The majority of us need to do a lot of things. (10)I would say infinitely higher on that list than living a healthy lifestyle is treating our fellow human beings better.
(1)No, they wouldn't. Would you like to watch Roseanne Barr and Rush Limbaugh have sex? No? That is not a subjective or personal reaction; most people would flee in terror. Public gluttony is like public nudity, except not nearly as funny. And I have every right to mock those who lack the self respect to restrain themselves from chowing down half their body weight as they spill out of their tube top, because it's objectively disgusting.
(2)Take the "how is" off the beginning of that sentence, and I completely agree. Bitching and moaning instead of exercising or seizing the day? Yes, that is exactly what people who do not take an active role in their own lives do.
(3)No, it's not. There's no room for whining, complaining, pissing and moaning in progress. By continuing to sit on that couch and complain about their lot in life, they are doing NOTHING to change anything.
(4)No one is attacking anyone, at all, ever, in this scenario.
(5)Are they victims, or are they survivors? What do they choose to be? It seems to me, if they were to listen to you, their great enabler, they would be complainers and not much else. We're not talking about women who are subjected to sexual harassment here; there are laws in place and they certainly apply to the overweight and the obese as well so if a large person were, say, discriminated against in the workplace, there is legal precedent for them to pursue a case against their employer. But you're talking about my disgust at seeing a 400-lbs woman in a tiny tube top shovel a full rack of ribs and a full plate of nachos down her throat in 3 minutes before devouring a double-burger, and spilling BBQ sauce all over her floppy tits (this is a real life scenario) as a matter of a victim and an attacker. I think you have the two roles reversed.
(6)You need to learn a great deal more about alcoholism and sex addiction. Those statements are far from accurate and, especially with drug abuse, are inextricably tied to depression.
(7)You seem to equate complaining with "sticking it to the man." It's like you're Bill O'reilly's vision of a liberal. There are support groups for large people, there are diet programs that don't cost a cent and will not put the person's health at risk, and there are nutritionists, dietitians and personal trainers who specialize in the overweight. A lot more can be done than to simply try to add yourself to the list of the downtrodden and oppressed.
(8)No, not maybe-maybe not, overweight people are not nearly as mistreated as minorities and the gay community. If you wanna challenge me, source some material on the young men who have been murdered for being fat or the crazy right wing talk show hosts who say fat people need to be profiled at airports.
(9)I couldn't agree more.
(10)I'm not so sure about "infinitely" higher.
You seem to be very oversensitive to the plight and treatment of our larger friends. But to try to increase eggshell-like sensitivity toward them isn't going to help anybody.
