Poll: Father in rural Germany finds his young son likes to wear dresses; does the same to show solidarity.
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Now you're just being bitter because you didn't win. Besides, my legs are way too white to wear something so short.Abandon4093 said:The difference between
Is a belt.
You're kidding yourself if you think there's an actual difference between a tunic and dress. A dress tailored to suit the male figure is essentially a tunic, or a thobe.
Giving them modern stylistic panache is all we're really talking about.
Hey, do you know who's a guy and wears a dress? Doctor Doom. And another guy who wears a skirt? Darkseid. Would you like to argue with them?
So to sum up this thread: In the future when humanity has populated the stars, we will have crystal spires, everyone will be wearing space togas, and gender roles and other trivial matters of culture will have been eliminated. And it is all thanks to one brave 5 year-old boy and his dad in Germany who decided to walk down the street wearing dresses.
And why would you hope he didn't, praytell?JeffBergGold said:
It's probably not about gender, but that doesn't mean he'll grow out of it in any way.Abandon4093 said:
that's because male is considered the "default" in society. Women SHOULD aspire to be more like men. Everyone should like boobs. I mean, what's not to like about boobs? It's shameful to downgrade one's gender to that of a woman. I mean, what? Why would you want to do that? Women are second class citizens!Phasmal said:
That's one of the reasons people react more poorly to male homosexuals than to lesbians. The assumption (and it is an assumption) that gays are all effeminate and that at least one of these guys is going to be a "receiver."
Also, pants are still considered somewhat taboo amongst the more conservative 70% of my country.
But I'm just a dirty tranny, lower on the totem pole than even women, so what do I know? >.>
Looks like he has nice legs.Froggy Slayer said:
I find it hard to believe that 70% of Americans think that women shouldn't wear pants when they wear things like skinny jeans all the time. Where exactly are you getting these statistics from? If you said something like 70% percent of conservatives from the state of Alabama believe women shouldn't wear pants then that might be more believable because Republicans from the Deep South are kinda batshit insane.Zachary Amaranth said:
I like the message, but it's a bit overdone in execution. Society may be shallow, but it also controls everything about someone's future, so you kind of have to bend down and kiss society's ass sometime if you want to get along without having to go through buttloads of bullshit.
For example, this is going to be amazing unless the kid grows up this way and decides he wants to get a job. No employer will hire him simply because that's not how things work. It's horribly depressing, but it's kind of true.
How about, instead of embracing the dress thing, help him to realize that gender roles are shallow, but exist in the minds of too many people to flaunt. Us escapists may think that this is cute and progressive, but we're a bit of the minority to the waves of idiots ready to rain hellfire if a kid isn't in jeans and a Tonka truck shirt by age 3.
For example, this is going to be amazing unless the kid grows up this way and decides he wants to get a job. No employer will hire him simply because that's not how things work. It's horribly depressing, but it's kind of true.
How about, instead of embracing the dress thing, help him to realize that gender roles are shallow, but exist in the minds of too many people to flaunt. Us escapists may think that this is cute and progressive, but we're a bit of the minority to the waves of idiots ready to rain hellfire if a kid isn't in jeans and a Tonka truck shirt by age 3.
I'm not sure where all this "we have to be careful to educate the kid not to step on society's expectations" crap is coming from. "Society" has a pretty spotty track record of telling us to do and think some pretty appalling things, and eventually someone gets fed up with it and tells society to go fuck itself, and presto chango, social change ensues. Not always comfortably, but nothing worth having ever came comfortably.
I don't really see a compelling argument why our antiquated, retrogressive social/gender roles shouldn't be subject to that process.
I don't really see a compelling argument why our antiquated, retrogressive social/gender roles shouldn't be subject to that process.
I would save you, Biscuit Trouser, but my pet comes before random strangers. :/BiscuitTrouser said:
The dad is incredibly irresponsible for this. The kid should clearly be wearing strapless, what a disaster.
Seriously though, I usually oppose cross-dressing, I just used to find it weird, but seeing it from this angle too, from the kid's innocence and the dad's desire to make him feel comfortable changes that quite drastically.
I'm cool with dudes who want to wear women's clothes now, I like to think I'd be willing to do the same for my kid.
Seriously though, I usually oppose cross-dressing, I just used to find it weird, but seeing it from this angle too, from the kid's innocence and the dad's desire to make him feel comfortable changes that quite drastically.
I'm cool with dudes who want to wear women's clothes now, I like to think I'd be willing to do the same for my kid.
Because I'm for men being men and women being women. There are enough effeminate males already, there needs to be a balance.Rainboq said:
Well it is good to see the father is not punishing his son for wanting to dress like a woman I do believe he should discourage the behavior solely because it is going to create a negative view of his child and the child wont understand until it is far to late to correct said view. If when the child is old enough to understand that this will make people treat him badly and still wants to do it then it is fine, but if he is just a kid doing it 'cause he wants to' then I do not see it as something that will help him become a balanced human being and will do more damage to him than not letting him do it.
I can not see how "No, you cant wear that." "Why?" "It is not socially acceptable, you will understand when you are older." is more damaging than the kid likely being beaten, insulted and made to feel worthless every day by other children in his school and looked at with disgust from adults. Maybe Germany is different but that is what would happen in most of North America and I do not believe a child should be subjected to that torture just because you don't want to hurt his feelings on something he most likely wont remember or look back on with embarrassment in the future.
I can not see how "No, you cant wear that." "Why?" "It is not socially acceptable, you will understand when you are older." is more damaging than the kid likely being beaten, insulted and made to feel worthless every day by other children in his school and looked at with disgust from adults. Maybe Germany is different but that is what would happen in most of North America and I do not believe a child should be subjected to that torture just because you don't want to hurt his feelings on something he most likely wont remember or look back on with embarrassment in the future.
It would be deeply saddening if his mother was raising him to become the type of man who wears dresses. Although, this is outside the realm of possibility since she despises effeminacy in males as much as I do.Zachary Amaranth said: