Poll: Favorite pony!

[Baneat]

STFU I'll pick favourites if I want to, Applebloom is terrible! As is the white Filly, that's how bad that character is, I can't even remember her name! Rarity's sister, I know that much.

Oh - and Down with episode 16!!!!!!!!1one (Seriously, I hate that episode *so* much, tried to slip "religion-logic" past us without me noticing straight away, and it was so deviously done!)

Having favorites is a natural consequence of the varieties of opinion. Insulting those who disagree is not. That "idiot" remark was not appropriate.

I know what episode you're talking about. I didn't like the moral either, and you know what? Neither did the creators. Hasbro forced them to put a moral in every episode even when they didn't want to.

"Idiot" was in complete jest, could you not see I was joking at all? the whole "If you disagree with me it's only cause you're wrong" was a joke because we're talking about opinions, preaching to the choir here.

But, my faith was half-restored in the authors. Couldn't they instead have gone with the moral that "Even if something looks weird, or there are many coincidences, it doesn't mean it must be true, sometimes, a coincidence is a coincidence" < Though, they couldn't have made the episode like they did, since even rational people would think there has to be some merit to her "power" (Probability of the coincidences were so absolutely small it tends to 0)

So unless you're David Hume seeing over ten correctly predicted things in a row without one error is enough for me to believe it. I'm not taking leaps of faith, I'm using induction.

The way the episode was going I was hoping to see pinkie pie get untrue tremors, and the other ponies all ignoring them or dismissing them, and Sparkle putting it down to confirmation bias.

Now that would have been a cool episode, instead of this "You just GOTTA have faith!" moral which makes no sense at all!

Faust addressed this on her DA.

"if there's all the evidence in the world that something does actually work that way, and you can't figure out why, you should still believe that it works that way"

Something like that was the intended moral.

Still writing when you posted that,

To me, it still seems like, with this revised moral (Which is miles, miles better I'll have you know)


"if there's all the evidence in the world that something does actually work that way, and you can't figure out why, you should still believe that it works that way" < So just fucking give up and stop trying to explain it, it works, don't look for a reason.

 

[Bags159]

Oh - and Down with episode 16!!!!!!!!1one (Seriously, I hate that episode *so* much, tried to slip "religion-logic" past us without me noticing straight away, and it was so deviously done!)

I viewed it more as, "You won't always have the answers to everything, so when you don't have the answer to why something happens, don't deny it doesn't work." For instance, Psychics. The real ones have helped to solve crimes from half a world away, and I believe they do, regardless of how they did it.

Real Psychics do not exist and when JREF loses their million bucks (It's a huge "come at me bro", you think you are psychic? prove it!) to a psychic, I will believe they exist.

The JREF says they will give 1 million to anyone that can statistically prove they have paranormal powers. They have yet to get anyone past the preliminary "He might be onto something stage" and they've had it for thirty years.

Found the picture:

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STFU I'll pick favourites if I want to, Applebloom is terrible! As is the white Filly, that's how bad that character is, I can't even remember her name! Rarity's sister, I know that much.

Oh - and Down with episode 16!!!!!!!!1one (Seriously, I hate that episode *so* much, tried to slip "religion-logic" past us without me noticing straight away, and it was so deviously done!)

Having favorites is a natural consequence of the varieties of opinion. Insulting those who disagree is not. That "idiot" remark was not appropriate.

I know what episode you're talking about. I didn't like the moral either, and you know what? Neither did the creators. Hasbro forced them to put a moral in every episode even when they didn't want to.

"Idiot" was in complete jest, could you not see I was joking at all? the whole "If you disagree with me it's only cause you're wrong" was a joke because we're talking about opinions, preaching to the choir here.

But, my faith was half-restored in the authors. Couldn't they instead have gone with the moral that "Even if something looks weird, or there are many coincidences, it doesn't mean it must be true, sometimes, a coincidence is a coincidence" < Though, they couldn't have made the episode like they did, since even rational people would think there has to be some merit to her "power" (Probability of the coincidences were so absolutely small it tends to 0)

So unless you're David Hume seeing over ten correctly predicted things in a row without one error is enough for me to believe it. I'm not taking leaps of faith, I'm using induction.

The way the episode was going I was hoping to see pinkie pie get untrue tremors, and the other ponies all ignoring them or dismissing them, and Sparkle putting it down to confirmation bias.

Now that would have been a cool episode, instead of this "You just GOTTA have faith!" moral which makes no sense at all!

Faust addressed this on her DA.

"if there's all the evidence in the world that something does actually work that way, and you can't figure out why, you should still believe that it works that way"

Something like that was the intended moral.

Still writing when you posted that,

To me, it still seems like, with this revised moral (Which is miles, miles better I'll have you know)


"if there's all the evidence in the world that something does actually work that way, and you can't figure out why, you should still believe that it works that way" < So just fucking give up and stop trying to explain it, it works, don't look for a reason.

Well, it's slightly better than what the actual moral is.

"Don't discount something simply because you can't explain how it works." There's hard evidence that Pinkie Pie's sense works; there's no hard evidence that religion works.

I thought faust said what I quoted earlier, but I guess not.

 

[Aidinthel]

"Idiot" was in complete jest, could you not see I was joking at all? the whole "If you disagree with me it's only cause you're wrong" was a joke because we're talking about opinions, preaching to the choir here.

Oh, my apologies then. Very difficult to judge intent through text and all that.

 

[Baneat]

"Idiot" was in complete jest, could you not see I was joking at all? the whole "If you disagree with me it's only cause you're wrong" was a joke because we're talking about opinions, preaching to the choir here.

Oh, my apologies then. Very difficult to judge intent through text and all that.

Of course, I just roll with the assumption that people assume that you can't be that clearly abrasive and stupid and remain on this forum for long. Genuine namecalling and dogmatism isn't rated highly by the mods.

I still got a problem with this episode, Sparkle didn't admit she was using her scientific techniques wrong, which, especially from a child's view, seems to weaken scientific evaluation's credibility as a whole

Man, MLP is some serious business.

 

[Bags159]

"Idiot" was in complete jest, could you not see I was joking at all? the whole "If you disagree with me it's only cause you're wrong" was a joke because we're talking about opinions, preaching to the choir here.

Oh, my apologies then. Very difficult to judge intent through text and all that.

Of course, I just roll with the assumption that people assume that you can't be that clearly abrasive and stupid and remain on this forum for long. Genuine namecalling and dogmatism isn't rated highly by the mods.

I still got a problem with this episode, Sparkle didn't admit she was using her scientific techniques wrong, which, especially from a child's view, seems to weaken scientific evaluation's credibility as a whole

Man, MLP is some serious business.

Yeah, the episode isn't perfect but it wasn't intended to be as bad as it seems.

 

[Aidinthel]

Of course, I just roll with the assumption that people assume that you can't be that clearly abrasive and stupid and remain on this forum for long. Genuine namecalling and dogmatism isn't rated highly by the mods.

I still got a problem with this episode, Sparkle didn't admit she was using her scientific techniques wrong, which, especially from a child's view, seems to weaken scientific evaluation's credibility as a whole

Man, MLP is some serious business.

A little while ago I saw someone reply with "Fuck Ponies!". That was the entirety of their post. My faith in this community is not at its highest right now.

And, yeah, the whole episode bothers me too. Twilight gave up on that machine too quickly. She could have levitated and then dropped things with her magic so easily, but she instead tried to rely on random chance of things falling (INDOORS!). *rage*

Oh! While you're here.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/groups/view/MLP-Friendship-is-Magic

Feel free to stop in.

 

[masher]

They really are all great in their own quirky ways.
How Rarity's all fru-fru, but can hold her own when it counts and her whining is as hilarious as is adorable.
How Fluttershy's normally so quite that when she explodes it comes across as a huge surprise.
Pinkie Pie's complete and utter randomness and how happy she is.
How easily Twilight can freak out and how extreme it can be.
How Applejack seems like the bravest of the bunch but is normally the first to get spooked.
The tomboy nature of Rainbow Dash.

And that's just the main ponies.

 

[kjh242]

I has a sad that Luna has only been mentioned twice.
LUNA IS AWESOME.
THE BEST.
MY FAVORITE.
although of the mane 6 i'd have to say Twilight.

 

[Baneat]

Well, it's slightly better than what the actual moral is.

"Don't discount something simply because you can't explain how it works." There's hard evidence that Pinkie Pie's sense works; there's no hard evidence that religion works.

I thought faust said what I quoted earlier, but I guess not.

To me the unintended effect is still potent and dangerous. They were driving, throughout the whole episode, that believing in the power was incompatible with being empirical and scientific. Applejack said it at the start, Twilight Sparkle ridiculed the concept repeatedly, and, as the voice of reason on the show, that carries weight. So, consider the actual, highly impressionable audience it's for. The way they'll see it is that it's justifiable to believe things that a scientist will disagree with, even if it's one of faith.

Now, you have to dig far too deep to get the proper message out, and it's muddy, and the skim version is so far from its intent that it's actually dangerous.

You must always bear in mind the effect that ponies and morals have on children, and that the decision lies with the parents to what morals are instilled, and this can slip the wrong one in.

Do you guys have any respect for Recess? That was pretty good on the political philosophy side of things.

 

[Bags159]

Well, it's slightly better than what the actual moral is.

"Don't discount something simply because you can't explain how it works." There's hard evidence that Pinkie Pie's sense works; there's no hard evidence that religion works.

I thought faust said what I quoted earlier, but I guess not.

To me the unintended effect is still potent and dangerous. They were driving, throughout the whole episode, that believing in the power was incompatible with being empirical and scientific. Applejack said it at the start, Twilight Sparkle ridiculed the concept repeatedly, and, as the voice of reason on the show, that carries weight. So, consider the actual, highly impressionable audience it's for. The way they'll see it is that it's justifiable to believe things that a scientist will disagree with, even if it's one of faith.

Now, you have to dig far too deep to get the proper message out, and it's muddy, and the skim version is so far from its intent that it's actually dangerous.

You must always bear in mind the effect that ponies and morals have on children, and that the decision lies with the parents to what morals are instilled, and this can slip the wrong one in.

Do you guys have any respect for Recess? That was pretty good on the political philosophy side of things.

Yup. I thought it was going to be one of my favorites by far until the moral. Still a solid episode, but I can't endorse the message.

 

[Baneat]

Well, it's slightly better than what the actual moral is.

"Don't discount something simply because you can't explain how it works." There's hard evidence that Pinkie Pie's sense works; there's no hard evidence that religion works.

I thought faust said what I quoted earlier, but I guess not.

To me the unintended effect is still potent and dangerous. They were driving, throughout the whole episode, that believing in the power was incompatible with being empirical and scientific. Applejack said it at the start, Twilight Sparkle ridiculed the concept repeatedly, and, as the voice of reason on the show, that carries weight. So, consider the actual, highly impressionable audience it's for. The way they'll see it is that it's justifiable to believe things that a scientist will disagree with, even if it's one of faith.

Now, you have to dig far too deep to get the proper message out, and it's muddy, and the skim version is so far from its intent that it's actually dangerous.

You must always bear in mind the effect that ponies and morals have on children, and that the decision lies with the parents to what morals are instilled, and this can slip the wrong one in.

Do you guys have any respect for Recess? That was pretty good on the political philosophy side of things.

Yup. I thought it was going to be one of my favorites by far until the moral. Still a solid episode, but I can't endorse the message.

It's like, I really really want that changed, because picture the scenario:

Adult watches with kid
Adult, possessing greater insight into what's happening, gets the decent moral from it
Kid, getting skim version, gets the weird, unintended one
Adult assumes the kid got the same moral as he did, now, he's unintentionally swayed the child from what he wants the child to watch and believe, and that's a very bad idea.

 

[iDoom46]

I didn't have a favorite pony... Until the "Dragonshy" episode, when Pinkie Pie showed up in that ridiculous party costume (that I can't find a picture of for the life of me- and I went through the 210 tagged Pinkie_Pie pictures on Ponibooru, and then some) and at that moment I pretty much fell in love (figuratively, of course).

There really hasn't been a character like her before. Sure, there have been ones that were similar (hyperactive, super happy, etc.), but Pinkie Pie is the first one to not only be consistently funny, but not be obnoxious or annoying.

Second place has to go to Fluttershy for being the most adorable thing ever.
As for the rest, I'd say they're all pretty much tied. Honorable mention goes to Derpy Hooves, though, because no brony doesn't like Derpy.

although of the mane 6 i'd have to say Twilight.

I see wut you did thar.

The way they'll see it is that it's justifiable to believe things that a scientist will disagree with, even if it's one of faith.

In a free society, like ours, that is perfectly fine. People do it all the time, to varying degrees (of stupidity). Its part of what helps push scientific discovery and understanding forward (in addition to all the negative stuff most people seem to focus on instead).
I saw you arguing the right to free speech a few posts back, so how can you now say that it is morally wrong to tell kids its OK for someone to hold a belief that differs from another?

Don't get me wrong, here, I fully agree with you on all other accounts that the moral was handled pretty poorly. I cringed pretty much the moment the words "leap of faith" left Pinkie Pie's mouth.

I do think that telling kids its perfectly fine to believe in something until its proven wrong is OK. Saying otherwise would pretty much be like a slap in the face to all religions everywhere, and that's a pretty big demographic to alienate. I just wish they'd worded it better.

 

[MaxwellMurder]

Fluttershy Because I'm a manly man

 

[Leemaster777]

I didn't have a favorite pony... Until the "Dragonshy" episode, when Pinkie Pie showed up in that ridiculous party costume (that I can't find a picture of for the life of me- and I went through the 210 tagged Pinkie_Pie pictures on Ponibooru, and then some) and at that moment I pretty much fell in love (figuratively, of course).

Here you go. Have a party:

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You're welcome.

 

[Bags159]

I didn't have a favorite pony... Until the "Dragonshy" episode, when Pinkie Pie showed up in that ridiculous party costume (that I can't find a picture of for the life of me- and I went through the 210 tagged Pinkie_Pie pictures on Ponibooru, and then some) and at that moment I pretty much fell in love (figuratively, of course).

Here you go. Have a party:

Spoiler

You're welcome.

"And Pinkie's... whatever that is... failed"

I laughed so hard at that scene.

 

[Baneat]

I didn't have a favorite pony... Until the "Dragonshy" episode, when Pinkie Pie showed up in that ridiculous party costume (that I can't find a picture of for the life of me- and I went through the 210 tagged Pinkie_Pie pictures on Ponibooru, and then some) and at that moment I pretty much fell in love (figuratively, of course).

There really hasn't been a character like her before. Sure, there have been ones that were similar (hyperactive, super happy, etc.), but Pinkie Pie is the first one to not only be consistently funny, but not be obnoxious or annoying.

Second place has to go to Fluttershy for being the most adorable thing ever.
As for the rest, I'd say they're all pretty much tied. Honorable mention goes to Derpy Hooves, though, because no brony doesn't like Derpy.

although of the mane 6 i'd have to say Twilight.

I see wut you did thar.

The way they'll see it is that it's justifiable to believe things that a scientist will disagree with, even if it's one of faith.

In a free society, like ours, that is perfectly fine. People do it all the time, to varying degrees (of stupidity). Its part of what helps push scientific discovery and understanding forward (in addition to all the negative stuff most people seem to focus on instead).
I saw you arguing the right to free speech a few posts back, so how can you now say that it is morally wrong to tell kids its OK for someone to hold a belief that differs from another?

Don't get me wrong, here, I fully agree with you on all other accounts that the moral was handled pretty poorly. I cringed pretty much the moment the words "leap of faith" left Pinkie Pie's mouth.

I do think that telling kids its perfectly fine to believe in something until its proven wrong is OK. Saying anything else would pretty much be like a slap in the face to all religions everywhere, and that's a pretty big demographic to alienate. I just wish they'd worded it better.

Children are under the wing of their parents with respect to free speech. This is why ratings exist. Stops are pulled at 18 years of age, at this point you are considered a full adult with full, developed rationality. Follow back the principles of free speech and you'll find rationality is a *necessity* to having it.

The idea of separating children from parents to prevent them from inheriting their ideals is toyed with in the utopic counter to Brave New World, written by Aldous Huxley also. Interesting idea, but clearly not a practical option. As such, we put responsibility on the parent. As a parent, you get to decide whether or not your child lives in an atheist world, a religious one, not TV folk. You can switch the channel, disallow them to watch it, but you can't force them once they're adults, since they can decide for themselves then on. This episode's moral can get to children, underhandedly, unintentionally, even when the parent is checking what they're watching (As it is their liberty to do so), and, as such, you've taken their choice from them.

Children and babies are an exception to the liberty rule because they will grow to have a functional rationality, while a pig will *never* have rationality, it is exempt from protections. MLPonies are protected also, just so you know.

Basically, put whatever you want in an adult's show, or one with very clear warnings (Where Portal 2 failed hard here, I have no problem with the man complaining about that since there was no warning anywhere at all, and to have a kid's game you must make clear the ideas and themes in the manual or something for my idea to work, People whiteknighting on free speech where it can't apply is annoying.)

In fact, the best solution would be a new tag, which says that there may be some themes that you can phone to find out or check online. The important thing is that it's available, not that it's seen. Because then, you can always say they did not do the research expected of them, and it is less obtrusive to the less-strict parents (Again, totally within their rights as to how strict it is, not yours nor my decision as long as it does not infringe other rights applied to said child)

I've done my thinking on it, no worries.

 

[AstylahAthrys]

I love Pinkie Pie and her randomness. When I'm bored I'll start singing her songs to myself. My niece and nephew ask me to sing them all the time now. We're also a lot alike in the fact that when we're both totally happy we're crazy and when we're sad we're crazy in a different way. She's also so darn cute.

Spoiler: picture ftw

 

[TheKittyMan]

Rainbow Dash FTW. >

 

[EeveeElectro]

I like Fluttershy because she's so much like me.
Pinkie Pie makes me laugh the most though

 

[Ultra Man30]

I would have to say either Derpy

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or Applebloom

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See. She can fight off dinosaurs.