Poll: Female babysitter charged for having sex with 14-year old boy.

[Totenkopf]

Death by the blade.
Ignoring all hypocrisy and double standards, disregarding all the phoney "special circumstances",
I would like to send a clear message against child molestation.
(Yes, I've read the whole OP with edit, I still don't care. You have to be systematic here)

In this society I made up for my game, those who committed crimes punishable by death walk up a giant staircase, and up to a pedestal, stare out into the crowd gathered before them, and are then allowed to make a speech before having to fall to their death in the pit below.

...Just thought I'd mention it. I'll be on my way.

I have to say, I like the concept.
The combination of the procedure before the execution itself gives it all a good feel of importance, but to be honest I have two problems with it. The first is, that in my opinion, the staircase should lead downwards, symbolizing the descent of the criminal to hell. The second is that the death of the criminal is, thanks to the pit, invisible, I however think that the visibility of the death is very important to make it all a good, horrific sight.

But since this is all I know about your game, I'll assume that your version is by far more fitting, and it's a quite nice idea!

 

[rokkolpo]

Depends, if the genders were reversed would you think the same thing?

Ofcourse not, but that's not the issue.

Boys and girls are different.
We are all sexist at heart.

And really I know more than one 19 year old guy in a sexual relationship with a 14 year old.
The difference is almost invisible in appearance and mind.

In short, this should not be a crime at all.

As long as this isnt a crime no matter if it is a male or female then thats fine, if its a crime only if its a male while a female it shouldnt then something is wrong.

Could you rephrase the bold part.
I don't really understand what you mean.

 

[twistedmic]

First things first, I've hear/read about people thinking that a man is rapist if he sleeps with a drunk chick (even if he himself is drunk), just look at the reactions to the drunken sex scene (no nudity shown) in 'Observe and Report'. And for the most part, any man who tries to get a woman drunk specifically to have sex with her is seen as a total dick-head douchebag at the very best.

That's not even getting into the whole adult/minor age difference.

As for the people saying "He's fourteen. He wanted to have sex with her." That's not necessarily true. I didn't really get interested in sex until I was fifteen
Even if he wanted to have sex with her, the fact that she went through with it was a crime. Sex laws, specifically those regarding the age of the participants, were mainly put in place to protect children, not girls under 18.

There are laws and age restrictions for cigarettes and alcohol and you'd get in trouble for supplying either to a minor (which she did).

 

[Kargathia]

Death by the blade.
Ignoring all hypocrisy and double standards, disregarding all the phoney "special circumstances",
I would like to send a clear message against child molestation.
(Yes, I've read the whole OP with edit, I still don't care. You have to be systematic here)

In this society I made up for my game, those who committed crimes punishable by death walk up a giant staircase, and up to a pedestal, stare out into the crowd gathered before them, and are then allowed to make a speech before having to fall to their death in the pit below.

...Just thought I'd mention it. I'll be on my way.

In theory I like the idea. I just have one issue with it.

How many people do you know who would be willing and able to make a speech at a moment like this?
Hell, most people can't make a coherent public speech to save their life.

 

[Phas]

Depends, if the genders were reversed would you think the same thing?

Ofcourse not, but that's not the issue.

Boys and girls are different.
We are all sexist at heart.

And really I know more than one 19 year old guy in a sexual relationship with a 14 year old.
The difference is almost invisible in appearance and mind.

In short, this should not be a crime at all.

As long as this isnt a crime no matter if it is a male or female then thats fine, if its a crime only if its a male while a female it shouldnt then something is wrong.

Could you rephrase the bold part.
I don't really understand what you mean.

A crime should be a crime no matter what you are, be it female, male, one of the races, straight or homosexual.

 

[Nunny]

Depends, if the genders were reversed would you think the same thing?

Ofcourse not, but that's not the issue.

Boys and girls are different.
We are all sexist at heart.

And really I know more than one 19 year old guy in a sexual relationship with a 14 year old.
The difference is almost invisible in appearance and mind.

In short, this should not be a crime at all.

As long as this isnt a crime no matter if it is a male or female then thats fine, if its a crime only if its a male while a female it shouldnt then something is wrong.

Could you rephrase the bold part.
I don't really understand what you mean.

Im considerably drunk atm so excuse my wording.

uh....basicaly, if this was a male instead of a female, no one would give a stuff if they charged, the only reason anyone cares is because the baby sitter is female.

 

[carpathic]

It is a little strange...I find people who are just a few years younger than me to be profoundly uninteresting in a sexual way. There are just so few common themes for us to share.

That said, when I was 14, I wouldn't have been saying "no" and frankly would have just as likely been the predator in that relationship (as in me:14 her:20). However, I am not willing to bend on this one as children ought to be considered sacrosanct.

 

[Macgyvercas]

If the genders had been reversed, what do you think would happen. That's right, the offenderwould go to jail. Same thing should apply here too.

 

[Spartan448]

Well, the real question is this: What would count as "assault" in this case?

The babysitter was of legal consenting age, yes, but the boy also consented. And if there's no evidence of increased alchaol levels in the boy, then that's consent on both sides, so long as they both knew the reprecussions. And if you're 14 and DON'T know that stuff, somethin's wrong in your head.

My opinion has always been that if both parties have full knowledge of what they were getting into and what the biological consequences could be, than if they both consent, and there is no evidence of alcahol or narcotics in their bodies, then there is no crime committed. It doesn't matter if it's immoral. Although, I don't think the 20-year old should go to jail unless the kid turns up with an STD.

 

[Hugga_Bear]

If it was as the original article put it (babysitter plies kid with alcohol and then has sex with him) then she should certainly be charged, that is sexual abuse and just cos it's a guy instead of a girl doesn't make it okay.

If however the later news is correct and they were in a sustained sexual relationship with charges being brought by the mother (presumably stumbling upon it) then fuck it. Their choice.

For me it's not the matter of age difference because of his sex. Yes because he's a guy. Men put less stock in sexual activity and when we're younger let's face it what 14 year old boy would say no to an attractive 20 year old?
However, sexual assault is different, if she raped him, using alcohol to cloud his judgement, then fuck her she needs to be charged.

Anyway, with all the evidence presented it just looks like they were in a relationship and the mum disapproved, well sod her it's their business. Weird as it is (14 year old? Really?) it isn't that bad.

 

[rokkolpo]

Depends, if the genders were reversed would you think the same thing?

Ofcourse not, but that's not the issue.

Boys and girls are different.
We are all sexist at heart.

And really I know more than one 19 year old guy in a sexual relationship with a 14 year old.
The difference is almost invisible in appearance and mind.

In short, this should not be a crime at all.

As long as this isnt a crime no matter if it is a male or female then thats fine, if its a crime only if its a male while a female it shouldnt then something is wrong.

Could you rephrase the bold part.
I don't really understand what you mean.

Im considerably drunk atm so excuse my wording.

uh....basicaly, if this was a male instead of a female, no one would give a stuff if they charged, the only reason anyone cares is because the baby sitter is female.

That is entirely true, that's us humans for ya.
We just care more for our girls than our men.

It's definitely flawed but it's how the world works.

 

[EHKOS]

I'm going to say what I always say. If it is consensual then we really shouldn't have a problem with it. Also the age of consent in Hawaii is 14, don't know where I'm going with that but there it is.

 

[Nunny]

Depends, if the genders were reversed would you think the same thing?

Ofcourse not, but that's not the issue.

Boys and girls are different.
We are all sexist at heart.

And really I know more than one 19 year old guy in a sexual relationship with a 14 year old.
The difference is almost invisible in appearance and mind.

In short, this should not be a crime at all.

As long as this isnt a crime no matter if it is a male or female then thats fine, if its a crime only if its a male while a female it shouldnt then something is wrong.

Could you rephrase the bold part.
I don't really understand what you mean.

Im considerably drunk atm so excuse my wording.

uh....basicaly, if this was a male instead of a female, no one would give a stuff if they charged, the only reason anyone cares is because the baby sitter is female.

That is entirely true, that's us humans for ya.
We just care more for our girls than our men.

It's definitely flawed but it's how the world works.

Of course, but we are talking law here, things should be equal no matter how humans are flawed.

 

[Thanatos5150]

Regardless of my personal feelings, the Law is the Law.
Jail time for her.

 

[rokkolpo]

Depends, if the genders were reversed would you think the same thing?

Ofcourse not, but that's not the issue.

Boys and girls are different.
We are all sexist at heart.

And really I know more than one 19 year old guy in a sexual relationship with a 14 year old.
The difference is almost invisible in appearance and mind.

In short, this should not be a crime at all.

As long as this isnt a crime no matter if it is a male or female then thats fine, if its a crime only if its a male while a female it shouldnt then something is wrong.

Could you rephrase the bold part.
I don't really understand what you mean.

Im considerably drunk atm so excuse my wording.

uh....basicaly, if this was a male instead of a female, no one would give a stuff if they charged, the only reason anyone cares is because the baby sitter is female.

That is entirely true, that's us humans for ya.
We just care more for our girls than our men.

It's definitely flawed but it's how the world works.

Of course, but we are talking law here, things should be equal no matter how humans are flawed.

They indeed shouldn't, yet they are.
Because people are running court, not robots.

And as long as people run court cute girls will get that extra inch of needed leverage.
Nothing we can do about it really.

 

[Nunny]

Depends, if the genders were reversed would you think the same thing?

Ofcourse not, but that's not the issue.

Boys and girls are different.
We are all sexist at heart.

And really I know more than one 19 year old guy in a sexual relationship with a 14 year old.
The difference is almost invisible in appearance and mind.

In short, this should not be a crime at all.

As long as this isnt a crime no matter if it is a male or female then thats fine, if its a crime only if its a male while a female it shouldnt then something is wrong.

Could you rephrase the bold part.
I don't really understand what you mean.

Im considerably drunk atm so excuse my wording.

uh....basicaly, if this was a male instead of a female, no one would give a stuff if they charged, the only reason anyone cares is because the baby sitter is female.

That is entirely true, that's us humans for ya.
We just care more for our girls than our men.

It's definitely flawed but it's how the world works.

Of course, but we are talking law here, things should be equal no matter how humans are flawed.

They indeed shouldn't, yet they are.
Because people are running court, not robots.

And as long as people run court cute girls will get that extra inch of needed leverage.
Nothing we can do about it really.

Then its fucking discracful, and i shall give a drunken finger to whomever rules based on gender bias.

*hic*

 

[rokkolpo]

Depends, if the genders were reversed would you think the same thing?

Ofcourse not, but that's not the issue.

Boys and girls are different.
We are all sexist at heart.

And really I know more than one 19 year old guy in a sexual relationship with a 14 year old.
The difference is almost invisible in appearance and mind.

In short, this should not be a crime at all.

As long as this isnt a crime no matter if it is a male or female then thats fine, if its a crime only if its a male while a female it shouldnt then something is wrong.

Could you rephrase the bold part.
I don't really understand what you mean.

Im considerably drunk atm so excuse my wording.

uh....basicaly, if this was a male instead of a female, no one would give a stuff if they charged, the only reason anyone cares is because the baby sitter is female.

That is entirely true, that's us humans for ya.
We just care more for our girls than our men.

It's definitely flawed but it's how the world works.

Of course, but we are talking law here, things should be equal no matter how humans are flawed.

They indeed shouldn't, yet they are.
Because people are running court, not robots.

And as long as people run court cute girls will get that extra inch of needed leverage.
Nothing we can do about it really.

Then its fucking discracful, and i shall give a drunken finger to whomever rules based on gender bias.

*hic*

Haha, cheers to that mate!

 

[Cid Silverwing]

Death penalty.

As mentioned possibly many times before in this topic, we're looking at:

1) Providing alcohol to an underage
2) Sexual assault
3) Sexual assault on a minor

It's called pedophilia (gender doesn't matter). Also inbe4 Michael Jackson jokes.