Poll: Female babysitter charged for having sex with 14-year old boy.

[orangeban]

@ Orangeban

Tired of just quoting, I keep missing your replies
About the gay thing, I truly didn't consider that option but it risks sending off into another topic and I still stand behind my point that you wouldn't get an erection needed for normal sex, you'd still need to think "uuu" even for a couple of minutes, for that stuff to work. So yeah, even a gay man might like sex with a girl, also possible for me, a homofobe to enjoy sex with a mustache dude if I'm drunk enough.

But regarding the types of rape. If you're really 14 I will forgive you for not knowing this. Spouse rape falls mainly in the category of domestic abuse and it's a real motherf-cer. I didn't diminish it, on the contrary, it's baaaaad. It can leave worse effects on the victim than "normal" rape. I won't even go into that evil place right now. But you did say that most rapes are done in home and I can't agree with that. I can however agree that a lot of non-consensual sex does go on at home, one wants it, the other has a headache but "ooook, I'll just sit while you do your thing", which in itself can vary from case to case and get really ugly. However most just ignore this type of thing, and even bad cases don't get reported because the partner just doesn't want to admit about what's going on. The cases of non-consensual sex that do get reported and punished fall mostly in the "sexual harassment" category as that is usually the first part. Also, the knife was a metaphor for violence or overpowering force of any kind. And no, getting fired if you don't have sex with your boss is not enough. Rape needs brute force. Otherwise it's, as I said, "sexual harassment" which has lead to non-nonsentual sex.

Right, well, if you miss this reply then I'm sorry, but here is the crucial and fundamental difference in our beliefs here. I believe that non-consensual sex is rape. In order to have legal sex, both parties must clearly say yes, and sober enough to make reasonable decisions.
I think saying otherwise belittles rape survivors.

 

[OldRat]

ok i admit im no expert on gay fourrteen year old males but as a straight male with friends and a big family the same i can say that straight males always want sex with good looking woman somtimes from age 13 and it woud be impossible for a girl that hot to rape straight fourteen year old male as HE WOULD LOVE IT!!!

You do realize that that sounds incredibly arrogant and douchy, right? As in "Because I and most of my buddies would have done it, EVERYONE would have done it and MY WORD IS ABSOLUTE!"

No offense, but there are plenty of 14-year-old boys who wouldn't have wanted that. Straight, ordinary boys. You might think that it's abnormal or something, but there are plenty who really won't actually want sex at that age. Might not have been the case here, but claiming every straight human male of age 14 desires sex with a hot woman and wouldn't oppose such, stat, is incredibly stupid.


And on topic, that's pedophilia, which is a crime, which gets you jail in most places. Don't really see the problem here.

so you are saying that a good looking girl going up to you and saying lets have sex (im asuming you are straight) would get a no? even if seeing gave you a hard on?? i think not

Bisexual, but that doesn't really figure into this. Except to say you shouldn't assume. But to answer your very one dimensional view here, it would depend a whole goddamn lot on very many things. Do I know her? Do I actually like her instead of just thinking she looks good? Does she just want sex or is this a relationship (probably not, considering the situation)? And a million other things.

If it's just exactly that situation, some hot, unknown woman walking up to me and wanting the horizontal mambo, then I would, absolutely, no matter the state of my penis, say no. I've done that in the past, to people I know and like. Because, amazingly enough, I don't live by my genitals. Sex is nice, but I, personally, am not going to desire sex for the sake of sex. That, for me, is reserved for a relationship, with a person I love, instead of for a quick pleasure fix.

I'm not in any way claiming that having sex for meaningless fun with someone is wrong, per se, I'm just saying I don't care for that. And I find the argument of "You'd do it if he/she was hot enough" very goddamn insulting. As if that was the only standard. A certain someone I once turned down (She looked great, I did like her very much, I just didn't like her in the right way) dared to pull that on me. I haven't talked to her since.

Amazingly enough, men (or, going by you, some men) think with their brains instead of desiring a quick in-out every waking hour of their lives.

 

[orangeban]

My god, I am this close to jumping on you for "anal perversions" but I suspect that's only because I'm tired and a bit grouchy, so I'll hold back for now. For now...

I didn't get to read your other post so no need to get mad, I was only referring to strap-ons used by females Also, in my previous post, I described myself as a homophobe witch just means I hate men, not gay people

Yeah, I apoligise for getting mad, like I said, this forum is making me grouchy. I kinda jumped on the anal perversion thing but in hindsight I was jumping on a conclusion instead. So sorry. And I thank you for being considerate and reasonable. (I didn't actually see the homophobe witch thing, but I guess if I ever hear that in the future then I'll no what it means )

 

[twiceworn]

Firstly, most rape isn't someone jumping out of the bushes with a knife and going, "HAVE SEX WITH ME ASSHOLE!". Most rape is by someone you know, in your home. And most rape is one partner saying no and the other going ahead anyway. So we're aren't talking a knife and a touch on the crotch, we're probably talking about a friend giving you a vigorous rubbing, maybe even oral.

True, there are many types of rape but we use other terms for those, like "non-consensual sex". Most of it is done in a relationship so it never gets reported. Rape is an explicit sexual assault. So you kind of need that knife. All I'm saying is that it's impossible for a pretty 20 year old girl to RAPE a 14 year old boy. He's curious, he wants it, he likes it, he's gonna brag about this his entire life period.

Your points make no sense, you say that a type of rape is "non-consensual sex" (what is rape other than that) but then go on to say that that isn't rape.

Here is the dictionary definition of rape: "The crime of forcing another person to submit to sex acts, especially sexual intercourse"

And force doesn't mean threatening with a knife. It just means making them do it when they don't want to.

Also, who gave you the power to know the minds of all 14 year old boys and what they would do in these situations.

Here's something, I'm 14 and can report, with confidence, that I could in fact be raped by a 20 year old girl. I would not enjoy it (other than the short-term involuntary enjoyment caused by having sex) and would be upset about it later.

And don't pull bullshit about me not knowing how I would feel, because firstly I'm gay, which I think is pretty good proof I wouldn't enjoy it, and secondly I know myself better than you.

ok i admit im no expert on gay fourrteen year old males but as a straight male with friends and a big family the same i can say that straight males always want sex with good looking woman somtimes from age 13 and it woud be impossible for a girl that hot to rape straight fourteen year old male as HE WOULD LOVE IT!!!

Okay, I'm going to tell you something now, and pay attention because it is quite important.

You're experiences and thoughts do not reflect the thoughts of every single person on the planet. Neither does it reflect the thoughts of every single male. Or every straight male. Or every straight male of whatever ethnic descent you are from (unless you're from a tribe of like 5, in which case it very well may, but purely by chance/knowing your neighbours well).

There may in fact be straight male 14 year olds who would not want to have sex with every attractive 20 year old girl all the time.

no not all the time but if a fourteen year old got the chance to have sex with a really hot girl who wants him as much as he wants her he jumps at it becuse as a fourteen year old its not an every day thing its not even an every six months thing its an it will never happen to you again thing so he jumps at it and the same goes for a woman fully sober going up to you in the middle of a bar and offering sex

 

[orangeban]

ok i admit im no expert on gay fourrteen year old males but as a straight male with friends and a big family the same i can say that straight males always want sex with good looking woman somtimes from age 13 and it woud be impossible for a girl that hot to rape straight fourteen year old male as HE WOULD LOVE IT!!!

You do realize that that sounds incredibly arrogant and douchy, right? As in "Because I and most of my buddies would have done it, EVERYONE would have done it and MY WORD IS ABSOLUTE!"

No offense, but there are plenty of 14-year-old boys who wouldn't have wanted that. Straight, ordinary boys. You might think that it's abnormal or something, but there are plenty who really won't actually want sex at that age. Might not have been the case here, but claiming every straight human male of age 14 desires sex with a hot woman and wouldn't oppose such, stat, is incredibly stupid.


And on topic, that's pedophilia, which is a crime, which gets you jail in most places. Don't really see the problem here.

so you are saying that a good looking girl going up to you and saying lets have sex (im asuming you are straight) would get a no? even if seeing gave you a hard on?? i think not

Bisexual, but that doesn't really figure into this. Except to say you shouldn't assume. But to answer your very one dimensional view here, it would depend a whole goddamn lot on very many things. Do I know her? Do I actually like her instead of just thinking she looks good? Does she just want sex or is this a relationship (probably not, considering the situation)? And a million other things.

If it's just exactly that situation, some hot, unknown woman walking up to me and wanting the horizontal mambo, then I would, absolutely, no matter the state of my penis, say no. I've done that in the past, to people I know and like. Because, amazingly enough, I don't live by my genitals. Sex is nice, but I, personally, am not going to desire sex for the sake of sex. That, for me, is reserved for a relationship, with a person I love, instead of for a quick pleasure fix.

I'm not in any way claiming that having sex for meaningless fun with someone is wrong, per se, I'm just saying I don't care for that. And I find the argument of "You'd do it if he/she was hot enough" very goddamn insulting. As if that was the only standard. A certain someone I once turned down (She looked great, I did like her very much, I just didn't like her in the right way) dared to pull that on me. I haven't talked to her since.

Amazingly enough, men (or, going by you, some men) think with their brains instead of desiring a quick in-out every waking hour of their lives.

Actually, that thing about a random good-looking girl wandering up to you and offering sex raises worrying questions. Does she do this to every man? If so, what kind of crazy STDs does she have?

 

[karamazovnew]

Right, well, if you miss this reply then I'm sorry, but here is the crucial and fundamental difference in our beliefs here. I believe that non-consensual sex is rape. In order to have legal sex, both parties must clearly say yes, and sober enough to make reasonable decisions.
I think saying otherwise belittles rape survivors.

True, I'm of the same opinion. I actually have a friend which was raped at age 16 by a guy she actually liked. And she didn't report it. I also worked at a jail so I do know a few things Actually as a kid I had such a phobia about rape that I came to hate men altogether and feared to have a girlfriend (stupid rape movies! why did I ever snuck in to see those?!). So any degree of sexual assault no matter what it's called just makes me wanna take an axe and start swinging it. But true violent rape is something I despise so much I'd like to see proxenetism and rape punishable by medieval torture in the village square. And I'd go and watch it! The rest is just jail material for me.

 

[OldRat]

Actually, that thing about a random good-looking girl wandering up to you and offering sex raises worrying questions. Does she do this to every man? If so, what kind of crazy STDs does she have?

Heh, I guess that's kinda outside the scenario, but yeah, just one more reason to say no for meaningless sex with strangers and just use your hand if you really need release.

 

[orangeban]

Firstly, most rape isn't someone jumping out of the bushes with a knife and going, "HAVE SEX WITH ME ASSHOLE!". Most rape is by someone you know, in your home. And most rape is one partner saying no and the other going ahead anyway. So we're aren't talking a knife and a touch on the crotch, we're probably talking about a friend giving you a vigorous rubbing, maybe even oral.

True, there are many types of rape but we use other terms for those, like "non-consensual sex". Most of it is done in a relationship so it never gets reported. Rape is an explicit sexual assault. So you kind of need that knife. All I'm saying is that it's impossible for a pretty 20 year old girl to RAPE a 14 year old boy. He's curious, he wants it, he likes it, he's gonna brag about this his entire life period.

Your points make no sense, you say that a type of rape is "non-consensual sex" (what is rape other than that) but then go on to say that that isn't rape.

Here is the dictionary definition of rape: "The crime of forcing another person to submit to sex acts, especially sexual intercourse"

And force doesn't mean threatening with a knife. It just means making them do it when they don't want to.

Also, who gave you the power to know the minds of all 14 year old boys and what they would do in these situations.

Here's something, I'm 14 and can report, with confidence, that I could in fact be raped by a 20 year old girl. I would not enjoy it (other than the short-term involuntary enjoyment caused by having sex) and would be upset about it later.

And don't pull bullshit about me not knowing how I would feel, because firstly I'm gay, which I think is pretty good proof I wouldn't enjoy it, and secondly I know myself better than you.

ok i admit im no expert on gay fourrteen year old males but as a straight male with friends and a big family the same i can say that straight males always want sex with good looking woman somtimes from age 13 and it woud be impossible for a girl that hot to rape straight fourteen year old male as HE WOULD LOVE IT!!!

Okay, I'm going to tell you something now, and pay attention because it is quite important.

You're experiences and thoughts do not reflect the thoughts of every single person on the planet. Neither does it reflect the thoughts of every single male. Or every straight male. Or every straight male of whatever ethnic descent you are from (unless you're from a tribe of like 5, in which case it very well may, but purely by chance/knowing your neighbours well).

There may in fact be straight male 14 year olds who would not want to have sex with every attractive 20 year old girl all the time.

no not all the time but if a fourteen year old got the chance to have sex with a really hot girl who wants him as much as he wants her he jumps at it becuse as a fourteen year old its not an every day thing its not even an every six months thing its an it will never happen to you again thing so he jumps at it and the same goes for a woman fully sober going up to you in the middle of a bar and offering sex

Oh, so now this 14 year old wants her as much as she wants him? I don't remember that being one of the rules of this situation, that changes things. What I'm saying is that a 14 (plus straight, ect.) year old offered sex by a 20 year old girl (attractive, straight, ect.) may not want her as much as she wants him.

 

[DarthSka]

Is this wrong? Subjective. Is this illegal? Yes. So, off to the slammer.

 

[orangeban]

Right, well, if you miss this reply then I'm sorry, but here is the crucial and fundamental difference in our beliefs here. I believe that non-consensual sex is rape. In order to have legal sex, both parties must clearly say yes, and sober enough to make reasonable decisions.
I think saying otherwise belittles rape survivors.

True, I'm of the same opinion. I actually have a friend which was raped at age 16 by a guy she actually liked. And she didn't report it. I also worked at a jail so I do know a few things Actually as a kid I had such a phobia about rape that I came to hate men altogether and feared to have a girlfriend (stupid rape movies! why did I ever snuck in to see those?!). So any degree of sexual assault no matter what it's called just makes me wanna take an axe and start swinging it. But true violent rape is something I despise so much I'd like to see proxenetism and rape punishable by medieval torture in the village square. And I'd go and watch it!

Alright, I see the big difference here, we both believe the same things actually, you just give the the name "rape" to what I would call "violent rape". Apart from that, no big difference, How nice that things turned out this way.

P.S. Really sorry about your friend, that's terrible, I hope she is okay.

 

[twiceworn]

ok i admit im no expert on gay fourrteen year old males but as a straight male with friends and a big family the same i can say that straight males always want sex with good looking woman somtimes from age 13 and it woud be impossible for a girl that hot to rape straight fourteen year old male as HE WOULD LOVE IT!!!

You do realize that that sounds incredibly arrogant and douchy, right? As in "Because I and most of my buddies would have done it, EVERYONE would have done it and MY WORD IS ABSOLUTE!"

No offense, but there are plenty of 14-year-old boys who wouldn't have wanted that. Straight, ordinary boys. You might think that it's abnormal or something, but there are plenty who really won't actually want sex at that age. Might not have been the case here, but claiming every straight human male of age 14 desires sex with a hot woman and wouldn't oppose such, stat, is incredibly stupid.


And on topic, that's pedophilia, which is a crime, which gets you jail in most places. Don't really see the problem here.

so you are saying that a good looking girl going up to you and saying lets have sex (im asuming you are straight) would get a no? even if seeing gave you a hard on?? i think not

Bisexual, but that doesn't really figure into this. Except to say you shouldn't assume. But to answer your very one dimensional view here, it would depend a whole goddamn lot on very many things. Do I know her? Do I actually like her instead of just thinking she looks good? Does she just want sex or is this a relationship (probably not, considering the situation)? And a million other things.

If it's just exactly that situation, some hot, unknown woman walking up to me and wanting the horizontal mambo, then I would, absolutely, no matter the state of my penis, say no. I've done that in the past, to people I know and like. Because, amazingly enough, I don't live by my genitals. Sex is nice, but I, personally, am not going to desire sex for the sake of sex. That, for me, is reserved for a relationship, with a person I love, instead of for a quick pleasure fix.

I'm not in any way claiming that having sex for meaningless fun with someone is wrong, per se, I'm just saying I don't care for that. And I find the argument of "You'd do it if he/she was hot enough" very goddamn insulting. As if that was the only standard. A certain someone I once turned down (She looked great, I did like her very much, I just didn't like her in the right way) dared to pull that on me. I haven't talked to her since.

Amazingly enough, men (or, going by you, some men) think with their brains instead of desiring a quick in-out every waking hour of their lives.

ok so you are one of the people that don't fit into the nearly all catagory then but juging by this "A certain someone I once turned down (She looked great, I did like her very much, I just didn't like her in the right way) dared to pull that on me. I haven't talked to her since" im not the only one who knows this you sir are a minority you are also a better person than most people for it but most people are not like you most men just want sex!!

 

[karamazovnew]

Kind of pushing up my post count here

If a random girl comes up to me on the street and says "F me!", I don't care if she's Natalie Portman (ok, her yer), I'll just say no. I actually refused a good friend who had just come out of a relationship and she was almost as nice as Natalie Portman. Not everybody wants to have sex all the time. I actually refuse to have sex without love involved. But, just in case Natalie does tie me up to the bed, I won't go and report her in the end

 

[4173]

@ Orangeban

Tired of just quoting, I keep missing your replies
About the gay thing, I truly didn't consider that option but it risks sending off into another topic and I still stand behind my point that you wouldn't get an erection needed for normal sex, you'd still need to think "uuu" even for a couple of minutes, for that stuff to work. So yeah, even a gay man might like sex with a girl, also possible for me, a homofobe to enjoy sex with a mustache dude if I'm drunk enough.

But regarding the types of rape. If you're really 14 I will forgive you for not knowing this. Spouse rape falls mainly in the category of domestic abuse and it's a real motherf-cer. I didn't diminish it, on the contrary, it's baaaaad. It can leave worse effects on the victim than "normal" rape. I won't even go into that evil place right now. But you did say that most rapes are done in home and I can't agree with that. I can however agree that a lot of non-consensual sex does go on at home, one wants it, the other has a headache but "ooook, I'll just sit while you do your thing", which in itself can vary from case to case and get really ugly. However most just ignore this type of thing, and even bad cases don't get reported because the partner just doesn't want to admit about what's going on. The cases of non-consensual sex that do get reported and punished fall mostly in the "sexual harassment" category as that is usually the first part. Also, the knife was a metaphor for violence or overpowering force of any kind. And no, getting fired if you don't have sex with your boss is not enough. Rape needs brute force. Otherwise it's, as I said, "sexual harassment" which has lead to non-nonsentual sex.

I fundamentally disagree. Calling it non-consensual sex is absolutely diminishing it. Calling it sexual harassment is diminishing it even more. Simply by using the term sexual harassment, it suggests the event was more akin to telling a sexist joke in the office, or pinching the waitress' ass.

 

[twiceworn]

A 14 year old is NOT FUCKING INNOCENT! Boy or girl, they know they want sex. If they meet an attractive member of the opposite sex, they will want their dick/vagina. This girl's not a criminal, she was probably just being nice. People calling her a "sex offender," don't know what that actually means.

By the way, I would have fucked her, too. Damn, she's fine!

14 years old also want alcohol, drugs and a bunch of other stuff. doesnt mean you should grant it to them. and that part about her being probably nice is..... sorry, but it was just stupid.


ehhh.... those people who say "i want that too" are apparently just as mature as that guy who got raped (yeah, im going to call it as it should be called). Its sad really, but it just goes to show how bad it is and why it shouldnt happen.

The thing is, if he would get an std this way, he would be in a lot of trouble. If he would get that girl pregnant he would be in a lot of trouble.... Only thats a lie, because, seeing as he is a underage - his parents would be in a lot of trouble. him? sure, but mostly his parents. There are also many others way how this could go horribly wrong, and in pretty much all cases, his parents would pay for it. There are many reasons as to why his mother has right to be pissed.

And even if nothing goes wrong, cmon, getting someone drunk to have sex is a crime. Getting a minor drunk is a crime. Having sex with a minor is a crime. So why in satans glorious name would combination of all those things, not be a crime?

We cannot grant kids "what they want" because they want it.... Doing so is immature. Everything has consequences, and while im not saying that an adult is able to see all of them... An adult is mature enough to suffer them. Something a 14 years old KID is not.

so at sixteen in a mere two years he now knows all he needs to know about the risks of sex, will be fine if he gets an std , and will have moved into his own house so getting her pregnent wont reflect of his parents?? that would be:no no and NO in that order and btw at sixteen males want sex just as much as at fourteen and if you think they are more able to handle it just look at highschool

Yeah, but you have to draw the line somewhere dude. 14? Why not 13? 13? Why not 12? Ect. ect.

16 is a decent place to draw that line because that's when you can leave school, and begin your life proper.

at fourteen if a girl hade came up to you and offered you sex would you have replyed yes? if so looking back on it when you were older would you regret it or would you feel a bit proud that you had got the are you a vergin question out if the way before finishing middle school?

Well I am 14 right now, so this is an appropriate question I guess, but then again I'm also gay so, not really a question that applies to me after all. But you dodged my point, I explained that we have to draw a line somewhere, and 16 is a pretty logical place to do so.

At 14 I'm sure several kids would say yes to an offer of drugs, alchohol, cigarettes or to go shooting strays in the estate. Doesn't mean they should get to do it.

Seriously, what kind of batshit reason for a law repeal is, "Because they want to"?

not law repeal law edit men want sex and will manipulate girls to get it so the law works for females, but tell me this if at fourteen brad pit had got you drunk and slept with you, would you be ubhappy or, LIKE ALL MEN be really happy that you had sex, same goes with other people megan fox gets a guy drunk then sleeps with him, HE IS REALLY HAPPY CALLS ALL HIS FRIENDS. its really simple you cant trick a man into having sex and make him unhappy unless your ugly so for men sex is fine

My god, this is some misandric stuff, we're deep in the rabbit hole now. Okay, let's take this on point by point.

Yes, I'd be frickin' unhappy if Brad Pit got me drunk and had sex with me, because I'd been raped. If he got me drunk to have sex with me, presumably so I couldn't say no, then it's friggin' rape people.

Also, despite what you think, men are more complex than, "Hur, hur, gotta find a hole to shove my dick in." See, sometimes they have reasons not to have sex, say he really doesn't like the person, or he's tired/stressed/ill and doesn't feel like it, or maybe he just says no, and the other person doesn't stop.

Bonus points for assuming no man would want sex with an ugly girl because physical appearences is all that matters in a relationship, or hell even a one-nighter, right?

you missed the point again so ok lets go over this again, sex feels good men like sex go out and ask me if they would mind being tricked into having sex with a really hot girl and the top reply would be "why in hell would i need to be tricked into sleeping with a really hot girl" in some form or other waking up to find you accidentally slept with a really hot woman?? why cant i have that accident more is the first thought. and as to ugly i was talking about base attraction if you are in love with someone and they are 20 and you are 14 is it fair for a law to keep you apart? NO

Okay, maybe you would agree to it, but here is my basic point. Not all men want sex, and of those who do, many don't want it all the time. Men. Can. Be. Raped. Men can also not want to be raped, and be upset about being raped after the raping. This is a fact, even if purely because of the laws of probability (which it isn't.)

yes a man can be raped (as long as she has a strapon) but my point is barring anal rape the sex its self is not the problem its the fact that somone just took the power from you its like being tricked we hate to lose its how men are but barring anal rape or uglynes the sex is not the part that would be the problem

Men can be raped, and you don't need a strap-on dude. Here is a scenario.

Bob is having a drink in a bar with his friend Anna. They get a bit tipsy, Anna invites Bob to her hotel room. They go up, have a bit of fooling around, kissing and a bit of touching. Anna then asks Bob if he wants sex. Bob is a bit embarrassed to have to say it, but he says he doesn't feel like it. Anna laughs, she thinks no man could not want to have sex, especially with her (worth noting at this point that Anna is not unattractive). Bob refuses but Anna pushes him onto the bed, takes off his trousers and starts working on his genitals (which are already pretty alert from the previous kissing). Bob doesn't want to hurt his friend, so he does nothing, but he definetly does not want this. Anna then mounts him and has sex with him (regular penis in vagina sex). Bob is ashamed and hurt that Anna defiled him like that.

That situation there? Rape.

WHY DOESNT HE WANT SEX??? is he gay?? if so fine but im talking about straight males of fourteen so wtf she is a friend so he likes her you said she is atractive there is now no reason for him to not like it its i gift from god!!

No, I forgot to clarify that, but Bob is not gay, he is straight, Anna is a woman (born that way, happy that way), he is not into any kink, he is straight up vanilla. I don't know why he didn't want it, maybe he was tired, maybe he thought it was too far in one night, maybe he thinks sex should wait till marriage. It doesn't friggin' matter.

it vearry much matters if he was tired the turn on would have him up in no time, if he thought it was too fare in one date he would get over it as she fondeled his junk, and if he was waiting for marriage he would tell her so if that was how he really felt if he says nothing he on some level wants it to happen and feels goo in the end, simple

 

[orangeban]

ok i admit im no expert on gay fourrteen year old males but as a straight male with friends and a big family the same i can say that straight males always want sex with good looking woman somtimes from age 13 and it woud be impossible for a girl that hot to rape straight fourteen year old male as HE WOULD LOVE IT!!!

You do realize that that sounds incredibly arrogant and douchy, right? As in "Because I and most of my buddies would have done it, EVERYONE would have done it and MY WORD IS ABSOLUTE!"

No offense, but there are plenty of 14-year-old boys who wouldn't have wanted that. Straight, ordinary boys. You might think that it's abnormal or something, but there are plenty who really won't actually want sex at that age. Might not have been the case here, but claiming every straight human male of age 14 desires sex with a hot woman and wouldn't oppose such, stat, is incredibly stupid.


And on topic, that's pedophilia, which is a crime, which gets you jail in most places. Don't really see the problem here.

so you are saying that a good looking girl going up to you and saying lets have sex (im asuming you are straight) would get a no? even if seeing gave you a hard on?? i think not

Bisexual, but that doesn't really figure into this. Except to say you shouldn't assume. But to answer your very one dimensional view here, it would depend a whole goddamn lot on very many things. Do I know her? Do I actually like her instead of just thinking she looks good? Does she just want sex or is this a relationship (probably not, considering the situation)? And a million other things.

If it's just exactly that situation, some hot, unknown woman walking up to me and wanting the horizontal mambo, then I would, absolutely, no matter the state of my penis, say no. I've done that in the past, to people I know and like. Because, amazingly enough, I don't live by my genitals. Sex is nice, but I, personally, am not going to desire sex for the sake of sex. That, for me, is reserved for a relationship, with a person I love, instead of for a quick pleasure fix.

I'm not in any way claiming that having sex for meaningless fun with someone is wrong, per se, I'm just saying I don't care for that. And I find the argument of "You'd do it if he/she was hot enough" very goddamn insulting. As if that was the only standard. A certain someone I once turned down (She looked great, I did like her very much, I just didn't like her in the right way) dared to pull that on me. I haven't talked to her since.

Amazingly enough, men (or, going by you, some men) think with their brains instead of desiring a quick in-out every waking hour of their lives.

ok so you are one of the people that don't fit into the nearly all catagory then but juging by this "A certain someone I once turned down (She looked great, I did like her very much, I just didn't like her in the right way) dared to pull that on me. I haven't talked to her since" im not the only one who knows this you sir are a minority you are also a better person than most people for it but most people are not like you most men just want sex!!

And I, and he, are agreeing mostly, most men do in fact once sex (as do most women, but that's another kettle of debate). We are saying that most men have the self-restraint available to say no to random hot chicks.

Also, I notice the classic argument there of,

"All men want X,"

"I'm a man, I don't want X."

"Ah, you're different you see, you don't count."

A variation of the No True Scotsman argument.

 

[Slayer_2]

First a few points that greatly affect my view on this:

1) Did they drink together, or did she actually FORCE him to drink? I honestly can't picture the latter.

2) Did the boy want to have sex with her? If yes - and lets be honest, he's a 14 year old boy, he probably wanted it, I would have - then it's a bit weird, but I dated a 15 year old girl at the age of 18. And there are obviously people who have dated through bigger age gaps than I.

3) Did they have some kind of relationship going on before the incident?

4) Does he want to press charges?

If the drinking and sex was consensual, the worst she should get is a slap on the wrist. If he doesn't want to press charges, all charges should be dropped completely. He's 14, not retarded. When I was 14, my biggest pet peeve was people who treated me like a complete dumbass because I was 4 years too young to make my own decisions. He might be young, but I think he's likely able to decide if he wants to have sex or not. And lets be blunt here, 90% of most 14 year old boys would want to.

Also, keep this is mind, if he was 15 this would probably have not even made the news. If he was 16, it probably wouldn't have even riled any feathers (except, perhaps, his parents). Does a year or two really make that huge of a difference in this kid's ability to decide who he sleeps with?

P.S. "Get that kid a medal! Hur, hur, hur...".

 

[taciturnCandid]

If it was a 20 year old guy having sex with a 14 year old girl, you all would be raging.

If it was a 20 year old guy having sex with a 14 year old guy, you all would be raging.

If it was a 20 year old woman having sex with a 14 year old girl, you all would be raging.

If it is a 20 year old girl having sex with a 14 year old guy, alot of people here would give him a medal.

What. The. Fuck.

Why is this so skewed? I don't understand why it is ok just because it is the younger guy that is screwing the older woman.

14 year old has a completely different mentality then a 20 year old. I don't think a 14 year old could even truly consent. Pretty much everyone would agree that a 14 year old girl doesn't have the maturity to consent. Are male brains more developed then female brains at that age? No? Then why is it so unequal